Claiming That Somebody Was Suicidal as a Defense to Battery or Unlawful Restraint

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Quoting cdwjava

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Wear us down until we agree that the law is a silly wanker and agitate for the right of his friend to take matters into his own hand and do with his woman what he wishes? ;)

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I'll leave the matter alone. In lighter terms, I think cdwjava basically nailed it. I guess my queries about the legal case ended up morphing into a debate, and this is clearly the wrong forum section for that. I'm not trying to irritate or antagonize.

To clarify, however. I don't think my friend should be free to do whatever with his woman. I think him being charged with severe abuse, in a situation where someone was abusing themselves, and he was making legitimate efforts to stop that abuse... is completely screwed up on a moral level. Call me naive, but I'm just now learning that the law doesn't look at situations on a holistic level, nor is it necessarily moral.

I think this case stinks, and truthfully I don't understand why it is even being prosecuted. The girl doesn't even want prosecution, so the state took over. The case seems more academic than anything.

Hmmm. I'm going to combine a couple of other threads that are all connected here.

The depth of involvement you have with you're "friends" legal affairs is quite staggering. Based on threads in this forum you're buddy is also embroiled in possession of Adderall and with manufacturing meth, to say nothing of your own apparent legal issues, indicates that you have questionalbe judgement. Trials anre base in investigations and evidence. Warrants, usually, are based on more than statements of a jilted suicidal girlfriend unless she can provide more specific information than "my boyfriend make meth".

You change the information routinely routinely and think that even though you have the police report that you know all of the facts surround the case. The police report covers only the incident, not the investigation and, by extension, the probable cause that got the warrant on the meth charges, in spite of teh connection between these charges.

Honestly, you sound like my permanently ill informed teenagers who work as hard as you to convince me that what their friends tell me is fact in spite of my actual knowledge based upon primary sources, education and training.

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Quoting Mark47n

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Hmmm. I'm going to combine a couple of other threads that are all connected here.

The depth of involvement you have with you're "friends" legal affairs is quite staggering. Based on threads in this forum you're buddy is also embroiled in possession of Adderall and with manufacturing meth, to say nothing of your own apparent legal issues, indicates that you have questionalbe judgement.

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With respect what's your point? My buddy and I are both med school students, these sorts of situations could befall anyone. Especially the kidnapping case, which by the way still has not been proven in court.

As for the the warrants, she told them he used Adderal and made meth. They searched his lab and found substances that tested positive for meth but showed negative by subsequent GCMS testing. The lab didn't need a warrant to enter because it was university property.

Honestly, the whole meth lab case is a headache that's gonna pan out for him. They don't have any factual evidebce of manufactiring. All they have is a lab where he could have made drugs if he wanted, he worked late lab hours when he wasn't supposed to do so without permission, someone saw him cutting up some metal associated with making meth... But NOONE thought it was concerning enough to report at the time (complete lie), and allegations by his ex that he was making and using the drugs that he made. He's going to get off because every other test and Piece of evidence failed and some even proved him innocent. The meth allegations aren't an issue here.

The story isn't being changed. Details are just being added where they were needed. And retreading the police report helped me provide clarification where needed.

Anyways, would hate to sound sophomorish like your teenage kids who just donf get it. I don't know what you do for a living, but it sounds like you got your crap put together.

I get it, you think the kid is guilty as sin. Regardless of any counter vailing evidence that I have provide or could ever provide. That's how society is regarding domestic cases. That's why you got to prove your innocence in the US legal system.

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Quoting Question4law

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I was walking down the road once and a crazy man came walking by me with what looked like a rifle by his side. Several people pulled over to call the police. Two marked vehicles approached from behind while three unmarked black vehicles drove up onto the sidewalk to cut him off from the front and sides. I don't know if the gun was real or not, but the man was ultimately arrested.

This is a situation where I think people felt an IMMENENT enough of a threat to call police and get them involved. Police would not have covertly approached the man and remove his weapon if they didn't feel the same way.

This situation is really no different than the one with the suicidal girl. The problem is that police are the only ones who get to decide arbitrarily if a threat is IMMENENT. Any one else has to wait around and see what happens.

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Completely different scenarios actually (if they are real that is).

What's the difference? One involves a woman wielding a weapon in a public place, the other involves a man. Both are deranged. Don't see the diff unless it's gender.

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Quoting Question4law

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What's the difference? One involves a woman wielding a weapon in a public place, the other involves a man. Both are deranged. Don't see the diff unless it's gender.

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Except she did not wield a knife in a public place as she got pulled back inside or the knife did.

You have already called this a hypothetical. So is it hypothetical or real? Also you need to just let your "friend" get a lawyer and he only talks to his lawyer. You have changed your story. You apparently have issues on other threads. Who cares your med school students? Not for long if he's accused of making meth at the school lab. Also no these sort of situations would not befall "anyone." You have been given answers and you need to let a lawyer deal with your friend and you deal with your own life. What does it matter to you if he gets found guilty or not?

All scenarios described here are real. All facts added were real.

I think the kidnapping case could happen to anyone, because I think most guys would intervene an out of control girkfriend themselves before calling police.

Thank you for your answers. I care if he's found guilty because he's my friend he's worked hard to get where he is in life, and I don't want to see him lose his career or freedom for something I'm convinced he didn't do, at least in the severity he's being charged.

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Quoting Question4law

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All scenarios described here are real. All facts added were real.

I think the kidnapping case could happen to anyone, because I think most guys would intervene an out of control girkfriend themselves before calling police.

Thank you for your answers. I care if he's found guilty because he's my friend he's worked hard to get where he is in life, and I don't want to see him lose his career or freedom for something I'm convinced he didn't do, at least in the severity he's being charged.

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This is the first time I have heard a story like this. I think in this day and age most people of any gender are going to call 911 if someone is going to try to kill themselves. If my ex had ever attempted to kill himself I would most definitely have called the police. If I had ever attempted, I think he would have called 911.

Do not call something hypothetical if it isn't then. You said it in one of your posts on here.

Again you can be on his side all you want but you were not there. You do not know what ACTUALLY happened.

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Quoting Question4law

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All scenarios described here are real. All facts added were real.

I think the kidnapping case could happen to anyone, because I think most guys would intervene an out of control girkfriend themselves before calling police.

Thank you for your answers. I care if he's found guilty because he's my friend he's worked hard to get where he is in life, and I don't want to see him lose his career or freedom for something I'm convinced he didn't do, at least in the severity he's being charged.

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And once again, you have no idea what actually happened, yet you insist on making this forum your personal glue factory. Why is that?

This is a load of bollocks.

This is the last I have say.

1) This wouldn't happen to anyone. It requires an act of force on someones part.
2) The term wielding indicates threatening someone with said knife, not simply holding it. What you've described is not wielding or threatening, simply possessing.
3) You say that you're not denigrating women but you are. You have, in several posts, said, in a nutshell, that she was a hysterical woman that needed to be controlled by her boyfriend.
4) In your last poost you state someting along the lines that any boyfriend would react in the manner that you describe. That is not true and is not a supportable statement. The way your "friend" acted indicates a need to contol others as if he knows better. Interestingly a common point of view among doctors, surgeons especially.
5) If your "friend" was illegally in possession of adderall that was not his then it can affect his professional future.

I'm going to make a value judgement. You're an idiot and if you're truly in med scchool and if you become a doctor I hope you are far away from me if I'm in need of medical care. You equivocate, prevaricate and act in a matter that only takes your personl views into account, thereby disccountinng evidence.

As my grandmother says"the world needs ditch diggers, too." I hope you have a good shovel.