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  • 05-11-2016, 11:36 AM
    adjusterjack
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
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    Quoted from the Hartford Municipal Code Chapter 23:
    (c)In the absence of a sound level meter, any noise plainly audible pursuant to subsection 23-2(b) constitutes prima facie evidence of a violation of this section

    Which means that the burden is on the defendant to prove that his noise level did not exceed 45db in the neighbor's apartment.

    There are many decibel level charts on the internet and almost all rate conversational speech at 3' at 60 db.

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    I do not see 9-10 people as necessarily indicating any particular level of sound. The fact it is more noticeable when it is the only source of sound does not equate to it exceeding the states limits.

    Imagine 9 people in an apartment, likely all in the living room, having several conversations, each speaking louder than normal just to be heard over the din of the other conversations and you can easily exceed 45db if measured in the neighbor's apartment and maybe 70 to 80 in the OP's apartment.

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    t i don't think that my neighbor has a right to keep telling the security office at where i am living and they keep harrasing us,

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    And just to point something else out, the fact that you consider this harassment is just....mind boggling to me. Are you honestly that ignorant to believe 9 people in a single apartment at 10PM talking, doesn't warrant them to make a complaint? Being a "foreigner" who "doesn't know the rules" is no excuse for completely lacking the common sense of being a decent neighbor.

    Honestly, you should be thanking the complex's security for not calling the police right away.

    Ditto.
  • 05-11-2016, 01:13 PM
    jk
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
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    Incorrect.

    Quoted from the Hartford Municipal Code Chapter 23:
    (c)In the absence of a sound level meter, any noise plainly audible pursuant to subsection 23-2(b) constitutes prima facie evidence of a violation of this section

    Are you suggesting there has to be absolute silence lest it be a violation of the law? Seriously? We can all guess what would happen to such an onerous law if challenged.

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    Which means that the burden is on the defendant to prove that his noise level did not exceed 45db in the neighbor's apartment.

    There are many decibel level charts on the internet and almost all rate conversational speech at 3' at 60 db.



    Imagine 9 people in an apartment, likely all in the living room, having several conversations, each speaking louder than normal just to be heard over the din of the other conversations and you can easily exceed 45db if measured in the neighbor's apartment and maybe 70 to 80 in the OP's apartment.





    Ditto.

    So let's nine people all in the living room. Ok, now what? Are you suggesting none can speak, at all?

    If so, I suggest the op sit at their house quietly and listen for the neighbor to make any noise what so ever and start calling the police every time they hear him fart.


    even you said many charts list a conversation AT 3 FEET at 60 dB. Sound drops considerably with distance and especially with insulation such as the wall and such in between.
  • 05-11-2016, 01:25 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
    Regarding this number of people making enough noise to disturb neighbors, consider these factors.

    1. These are young people.
    1. They just finished their finals and are relieved.
    Also consider the possibility that if several or more are foreign and have the same lack of consideration for others that the OP seems to have. The OP said no drinking, but does that mean no alcohol or other drugs, period ? Some young people have their own definition of what drinking is. Even if there was no alcohol or illegal drugs, when was the last time you know of that many young people got together in an apartment and weren't eating snacks, drinking non alcoholic drinks and laughing and talking louder than usual ?

    I wonder how much noise at 10-11pm the OP and his friends would have tolerated when they were studying for their finals ? Respecting your neighbors is important, especially if you want them to respect you.
  • 05-11-2016, 03:29 PM
    budwad
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
    The Hartford municipal noise ordinance is what it is. But I don't think it is meant to be used to prosecute every time the noise limits are broken but rather to give the police and city prosecutors the law if it is needed. When OP and his friends are warned twice to quiet down or the police will be called, that should have stopped the loud noise. That doesn't mean that nobody speaks but it puts them on notice that if it continues to disturb the neighbor, the police will be called. And they could be ticketed and perhaps prosecuted.
  • 05-11-2016, 04:48 PM
    jk
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
    arguing the op was warned twice is meaningless. I've lived near people that a quiet conversation from the neighbors was enough to elicit a complaint. Some people simply like to bitch about anything that is less than perfect, in their opinion.

    As to the fact it was a group of nine; again, when I was op's age, a group of nine at that time of night were quite quiet due to the mellow atmosphere.

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    Incorrect.

    Quoted from the Hartford Municipal Code Chapter 23:
    (c)In the absence of a sound level meter, any noise plainly audible pursuant to subsection 23-2(b) constitutes prima facie evidence of a violation of this section

    Can you cite section 23-2(b)? Every source I found has it mia.



    The section that might be construed as 23-2(b) may be the statement that the sound is considered audible at 100 feet. So, how far away is the op for the neighbor?
  • 05-11-2016, 06:09 PM
    budwad
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
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    b.Instruments used to determine sound level measurements shall conform to the sound level meters, as defined by this chapter;
    It's meaningless in the context of this thread. But there is 23-2(b).

    You can read the entire ordinance here, chapter 23

    https://www2.municode.com/library/ct...TIIMUCO_CH23NO
  • 05-11-2016, 07:23 PM
    jk
    Re: Neighbor Complains a Lot About Noise
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    It's meaningless in the context of this thread. But there is 23-2(b).

    You can read the entire ordinance here, chapter 23

    https://www2.municode.com/library/ct...TIIMUCO_CH23NO

    if it's meaningless then op has no fear of a citation unless cop whips out a dB meter

    and there is no 23-2(b) in that version either so that reinforces my statement that either cop whips out a dB meter or citation is not possible.
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