After a Person Renounces Their U.S. Citizenship Can They Visit the U.S. As a Tourist

If an American born citizen renounces their citizenship, can they still visit the U.S. as a tourist from another country or as a stateless person?

If they qualify for a visa or visa waiver.

Being stateless may be a problem. But if the ex-citizen is now a citizen of another country then the ex-citizen may visit the U.S. if he or she is not barred for some reason and has whatever visas are needed.

Being stateless would be a huge problem in the modern world, given that most nations want to see a passport when you enter their borders and a stateless person is not eligible for a passport.

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Quoting Mr. Knowitall

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Being stateless would be a huge problem in the modern world, given that most nations want to see a passport when you enter their borders and a stateless person is not eligible for a passport.

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There aren't any travel documents for stateless people?

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Quoting TryingTo

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There aren't any travel documents for stateless people?

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Who would issue a passport if the person is stateless?

There is always the World Service Authority, and a passport from them.

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Quoting Cocoabean

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There is always the World Service Authority, and a passport from them.

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And such a document is worth roughly the cost of the paper upon which it is printed....

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Quoting Mr. Knowitall

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And such a document is worth roughly the cost of the paper upon which it is printed....

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I figure it's worth as much as my ordination from the Universal Life Church.

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And such a document is worth roughly the cost of the paper upon which it is printed....

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Well, of course, but it appears there are six countries that accept it: BURKINA FASO, ECUADOR, MAURITANIA, TANZANIA, TOGO, and ZAMBIA.

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Well, of course, but it appears there are six countries that accept it: BURKINA FASO, ECUADOR, MAURITANIA, TANZANIA, TOGO, and ZAMBIA.

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True story:

When my husband died, I was offered the chance to teach English in Togo and/or Zimbabwe. Coincidentally my sister was actually a missionary in Togo back in the 80s.

(obviously I didn't go for it)

Or was it Benin? I think the choice was Benin and Zimbabwe now I think about it. It was a very dark time, and my memory is obviously not playing the game today.

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Well, of course, but it appears there are six countries that accept it: BURKINA FASO, ECUADOR, MAURITANIA, TANZANIA, TOGO, and ZAMBIA.

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But as the OP is asking about entry to the United States, which does not accept it, that isn’t of any help.

Ex-patriation (giving up U.S. citizenship) from the U.S. is not something to do lightly or without significant planning. Being left stateless is the result of poor planning and can cause all sorts of problems. There are also a number of special laws that apply to U.S. citizens who ex-patriate. I advise clients who are interested in doing this to save tax (among other things) that they have to take care in how it is done, and one of the steps they need to include is securing citizenship in another country.

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Quoting Taxing Matters

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But as the OP is asking about entry to the United States, which does not accept it, that isn’t of any help.

Ex-patriation (giving up U.S. citizenship) from the U.S. is not something to do lightly or without significant planning. Being left stateless is the result of poor planning and can cause all sorts of problems. There are also a number of special laws that apply to U.S. citizens who ex-patriate. I advise clients who are interested in doing this to save tax (among other things) that they have to take care in how it is done, and one of the steps they need to include is securing citizenship in another country.

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True. Per the WSA's website, the USA has at least one time accepted one of these passports. Interesting reading. I like your advice.

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Quoting Cocoabean

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True. Per the WSA's website, the USA has at least one time accepted one of these passports. Interesting reading. I like your advice.

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Probably an error on the CIS agent's part. Just because someone else gets away with it doesn't make it legal precedent.

Recommend a brief glance at the posting hx

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Quoting jk

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Who would issue a passport if the person is stateless?

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Who said anything about a passport specifically? I said, "travel documents"....

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But as the OP is asking about entry to the United States, which does not accept it, that isn’t of any help.

Ex-patriation (giving up U.S. citizenship) from the U.S. is not something to do lightly or without significant planning. Being left stateless is the result of poor planning and can cause all sorts of problems. There are also a number of special laws that apply to U.S. citizens who ex-patriate. I advise clients who are interested in doing this to save tax (among other things) that they have to take care in how it is done, and one of the steps they need to include is securing citizenship in another country.

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Thanks for the info. I have given this a lot of thought and I want out, I don't like this country's past, present, and I can't say that I'm all that excited about its future.

I don't want to become stateless, but the thing is, none of the countries that I'm prospecting to be a citizen of accept dual citizenship. I realize it's going to be a long process and it seems as though I will need to be stateless (at least for a period of time) until I get everything sorted out.

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Thanks for the info. I have given this a lot of thought and I want out, I don't like this country's past, present, and I can't say that I'm all that excited about its future.

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Your choice, if you think you like some other country better. But I suggest you consult with a tax attorney familiar with the tax code provisions regarding ex-patriation if you have any significant assets or if you have income you’ll be receiving from the U.S. There are a few other non-tax things regarding ex-patriation you may need to know about, and consulting an attorney familiar with that would be useful. You will also wish to investigate the details of what you will be eligible for in the new country in which you live and what obligations you’ll have.

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I don't want to become stateless, but the thing is, none of the countries that I'm prospecting to be a citizen of accept dual citizenship. I realize it's going to be a long process and it seems as though I will need to be stateless (at least for a period of time) until I get everything sorted out.

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You might then want to consider getting citizenship in a country that will do it nearly instantly first (for example some island nations will do that for you if you have the money for it) and then pursue citizenship in the country where you plan to actually live. Generally you should be able to keep that one citizenship long enough to get your citizenship in the country where you are resident and then give up that first country citizenship then to avoid the dual citizenship problem.

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Who said anything about a passport specifically? I said, "travel documents"....



Thanks for the info. I have given this a lot of thought and I want out, I don't like this country's past, present, and I can't say that I'm all that excited about its future.

I don't want to become stateless, but the thing is, none of the countries that I'm prospecting to be a citizen of accept dual citizenship. I realize it's going to be a long process and it seems as though I will need to be stateless (at least for a period of time) until I get everything sorted out.

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You're assuming that another country will actually want you.

That is not a wise assumption to make.

(I'm an immigrant myself. A legal immigrant)

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Quoting Dogmatique

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You're assuming that another country will actually want you.

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Well, my experience has been that there are plenty of countries willing to take wealthy people as citizens. As the old saying goes, money makes the world go ’round. :D

On the other hand, few nations want people who are likely to end up on public assistance.

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Quoting Taxing Matters

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Your choice, if you think you like some other country better. But I suggest you consult with a tax attorney familiar with the tax code provisions regarding ex-patriation if you have any significant assets or if you have income you’ll be receiving from the U.S. There are a few other non-tax things regarding ex-patriation you may need to know about, and consulting an attorney familiar with that would be useful. You will also wish to investigate the details of what you will be eligible for in the new country in which you live and what obligations you’ll have.



You might then want to consider getting citizenship in a country that will do it nearly instantly first (for example some island nations will do that for you if you have the money for it) and then pursue citizenship in the country where you plan to actually live. Generally you should be able to keep that one citizenship long enough to get your citizenship in the country where you are resident and then give up that first country citizenship then to avoid the dual citizenship problem.

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Thanks.