Accused of Shoplifting After Accidentally Pocketing Merchandise

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Quoting fleetfarmboycotter

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Sorry Flyingron you are also wrong,

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So everyone is wrong? That doesn't seem too likely.

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I'm sure any of you would defend your son from the intentionally abrasive.

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He's an adult. If he cannot cope with someone being "abrasive", there has been a "failure to communicate" somewhere down the line.

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Correct? Obviously I was being intentionally abrasive as well, I feel it was provoked.

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See previous response.

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And I'm quite certain most would defend their kids as well.

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You'll probably find that most of us would be telling our adult kids to deal with the consequences of their idiotic actions.

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It didn't have to go there, I didn't start it. Thanks for your honesty.

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Wow.

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Quoting llworking

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I disagree. It is not a debt its a settlement to avoid a potential lawsuit. As such, it cannot be reported as a debt. What's more, its a losing proposition for them is he is found not guilty.

I think there is a good chance that the case is going to get tossed.

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Civil demands are allowed by law. They can be reported on to the credit bureaus.

I just noticed the OP's screen-name.

Is this going to be "mean"? It'll be perceived that way, no doubt. So. The adult son steals, the injured party takes legal action, and the parent of the adult son is of the "it's their fault, let's boycott that injured party!" mindset?

You have got to be kidding me.

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Quoting fleetfarmboycotter

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TO OHIOGAL, thank you for doing the work you do and for fighting for Children everyday! I have a younger son as well. Should he be wronged in any way I'm glad to know there are people like yourself fighting for his rights. Please don't ever stop. Despite my reaction to your original post, having been enlightened by dogmatique on your work every day, I commend you for your efforts. Our Children are our future, never stop defending them.



OK I understand. A hit on his credit has much less consequences than a conviction of shoplifting though right? How often does that happen over a $4 part though? I mean, to pursue it further after a not guilty verdict would really have to be the work of someone who really can't deal with losing and simply has an axe to grind? I'm sure it happens everyday, but over a $4 dollar part? Does the Judge have the authority to just throw out such a petty case. I think the courts have bigger fish to fry. Wouldn't the legal team fighting for Fleet Farm more than likely just accept the verdict and let it go?

Correct me if I'm wrong but if it does go on his credit report he does have a right to have a statement of some kind offering an explanation directly on his credit report. Forgive me for not knowing the terminology on that but I recall hearing you have some sort of right to have a "rebuttal"( for lack of better word coming to mind)that goes directly on your report. It's not the credit that worries me, he's young and has plenty of time to improve that. What did worry me, at least before this past Friday in court, was the criminal record aspect

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The civil demand is permitted by law. So the store can get a couple of hundred dollars over that $4.00 part.

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Quoting Dogmatique

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So everyone is wrong? That doesn't seem too likely.



He's an adult. If he cannot cope with someone being "abrasive", there has been a "failure to communicate" somewhere down the line.



See previous response.



You'll probably find that most of us would be telling our adult kids to deal with the consequences of their idiotic actions.



Wow.

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I never said everybody else was wrong dogmatique, your seeing the issue the way it you want to see it, not the way it actually is. I'm not taking this discussion back in the direction I suspect you want it to go. Wow indeed

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Quoting Ohiogal

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The civil demand is permitted by law. So the store can get a couple of hundred dollars over that $4.00 part.

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Thank you for your answer. There seems to be a lot of disagreement here on how this will actually play out. By the way, I'm by no means saying my son never made a mistake and that all I ever do is protect him. I stand by him when I feel he is right, as in this case. I let him be held accountable when he's wrong. I have a feeling you think I'd side with the affluenza(?) teen's miserable defense in which case you couldn't be more wrong. Coddling my son won't prepare him for what is out in the real world. If you can't believe that fact I surely can't make you, this is still America after all. You have a right to your opinions. You already have your mind set that my son stole the part intentionally Ohiogal and you clearly have your supporters on this issue. you and your supporters are incorrect though. You can believe or have faith in a god you've never seen,( I have that faith as well just to be clear) but no faith that one kid could actually be telling the truth? He surely is guilty of not paying attention to what he was doing though. Everyone here agrees on that. I'm actually not mad at anyone here who believes he's guilty. I just find it disheartening that some of you seem to have no faith in our youth. I hope some day you can find your own examples that contradict your opinions here in this discussion. Peace to all.

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Quoting Dogmatique

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I just noticed the OP's screen-name.

Is this going to be "mean"? It'll be perceived that way, no doubt. So. The adult son steals, the injured party takes legal action, and the parent of the adult son is of the "it's their fault, let's boycott that injured party!" mindset?

You have got to be kidding me.

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Nope, I don't think it is mean. It is your opinion. You and Ohiogal have made up your mind , based on the perception that he is guilty because everyone before him was. That party was not injured. He offered to pay for the part and they wouldn't let him because apparently it is not possible to be telling the truth. I'm by no means saying I don't understand the reasons why you've already assumed guilt. I'm just saying your wrong in this case. I suspect when you are standing at the pearly gates , should you make it that far, and you are told the truth you would probably think St. Peter is lying as well. Not to worry, you are forgiven

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Quoting geek

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Alrighty then :D

Your son should ask his public defender for clarification. He should also ask about diversion.

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Thank you for your answer, much appreciated.

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Quoting cbg

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I have a question here.

Exactly how big should an item be, for the store to have the right to pursue the issue without being accused of "pettiness"? How much loss are they expected to absorb (which results in higher prices for all of us, btw) before it would be acceptable for them to take action?

I'd like to hear from the OP. At what point would you consider that the store is justified in taking action to discourage theft?

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I wouldn't know where to begin. You all see these cases so much more than I do, which is why I understand the presumption of guilt by some here. All I know is that even the Judge and the prosecutor believed he was telling the truth, that's because he actually was. If I say a thief is a thief and should be dealt with accordingly no matter of the items price would that be a satisfactory answer? I can honestly say my son has a good heart and is not a thief without losing sleep over it, because it is true. Agreed shoplifting drives up prices. I've had my car broken into and my brother-in-law has had his home broken into and lost everything. I understand the damage theft does. I guess I'm actually saying a thief should be held accountable when guilty regardless of price. After all it is more than likely not the first offense and He/She should be held accountable if their intentions truly were malicious. Sorry to those that think he was doing this maliciously, but your presumption in JUST THIS ONE CASE is wrong. I feel in my heart you are all right the other 99.999...% of the time. I hope I've answered your question somewhat, It is the best I can do.

I'm sure I'm going to be perceived as "mean" here.

If your son is, indeed, the one in how many thousands who concealed an item in his pocket while still intending to pay for it, then OG's "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" fits.

Take your pick.

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Quoting cbg

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I'm sure I'm going to be perceived as "mean" here.

If your son is, indeed, the one in how many thousands who concealed an item in his pocket while still intending to pay for it, then OG's "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" fits.

Take your pick.

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I give up, you are all right. My son is a no good lying stealing cheating rotten little SOB. I'm ashamed of him, my next step is to completely disown him. Are you happy? Yes he is not the sharpest knife for making a stupid mistake. None of you haters on here ever made one mistake in your perfect little lives, have you?. I think you should all petition for his public beheading.! you can all drink expensive wine and eat caviar and point and laugh at what a moron he is while his head gets lopped off! good riddance right.? After all, he was able to tell the truth and be believed by the judge and the prosecutor without having to give every penny he makes for the rest of his life to an attorney. I bet that just makes some of you mad as hell. The only people here showing any kindness at all were llworking and MRKnowitall. I may have forgotten a couple others, apologies to them. I'm sorry I'm alive, I'm sorry my son is alive, I know our petty little existence makes you hate us. Weeze soopid peeple juz aint ghot know wrights to be livvin! Weeze just takin up all dat oxxiegen and deeprivvin you uf it and I nose youze all falt us fore it. I'ze truly sorrie I dun wasted all you good folkses time. Don't be worrying nowe, I'ze promice knot to khum bach and bother youze annoynted onze enniemores. I knowz I wuz in da wrong for thinkan youze all cared, Izza thinking abhout taking one of them Sionide pilz sosin' youze all know I'ze not livvin enniemore . I'ze shure youze all fheelze bhettor and sleeps bhettor knowing I'ze be gone soon sosin ya dozent have to hears from me enniemore. I'ze sorrie I'ze exist. My mammie wuzzent the sharpist nife in da drawers either and da treight dun gone ande maid itself hairediterry, I'ze truly sorries Agin for dun waceting you folkses preshus tyme. I'ze hopen whenz I ghet too the peerlie ghates St. Peter willz foregives me forze my stoopiddity. Do you'ze wreckon he just mite forgives me? I'ze shure hopin soze. Don't knowz whut Ize gunna dew if I cant seeze my dumbazz mammie in Heaven agin. Sheeze one stoopid ladie and Ize knot sure whyse she knot in Hell bernin at this vary moment for hers stoopidity. Sorries one last tyme for mize ignorants and stoopiddity. Wee kant helps it ya no, weeze jhust dumbies afterall.

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Quoting fleetfarmboycotter

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I give up, you are all right. My son is a no good lying stealing cheating rotten little SOB. I'm ashamed of him, my next step is to completely disown him. Are you happy? Yes he is not the sharpest knife for making a stupid mistake. None of you haters on here ever made one mistake in your perfect little lives, have you?. I think you should all petition for his public beheading.! you can all drink expensive wine and eat caviar and point and laugh at what a moron he is while his head gets lopped off! good riddance right.? After all, he was able to tell the truth and be believed by the judge and the prosecutor without having to give every penny he makes for the rest of his life to an attorney. I bet that just makes some of you mad as hell. The only people here showing any kindness at all were llworking and MRKnowitall. I may have forgotten a couple others, apologies to them. I'm sorry I'm alive, I'm sorry my son is alive, I know our petty little existence makes you hate us. Weeze soopid peeple juz aint ghot know wrights to be livvin! Weeze just takin up all dat oxxiegen and deeprivvin you uf it and I nose youze all falt us fore it. I'ze truly sorrie I dun wasted all you good folkses time. Don't be worrying nowe, I'ze promice knot to khum bach and bother youze annoynted onze enniemores. I knowz I wuz in da wrong for thinkan youze all cared, Izza thinking abhout taking one of them Sionide pilz sosin' youze all know I'ze not livvin enniemore . I'ze shure youze all fheelze bhettor and sleeps bhettor knowing I'ze be gone soon sosin ya dozent have to hears from me enniemore. I'ze sorrie I'ze exist. My mammie wuzzent the sharpist nife in da drawers either and da treight dun gone ande maid itself hairediterry, I'ze truly sorries Agin for dun waceting you folkses preshus tyme. I'ze hopen whenz I ghet too the peerlie ghates St. Peter willz foregives me forze my stoopiddity. Do you'ze wreckon he just mite forgives me? I'ze shure hopin soze. Don't knowz whut Ize gunna dew if I cant seeze my dumbazz mammie in Heaven agin. Sheeze one stoopid ladie and Ize knot sure whyse she knot in Hell bernin at this vary moment for hers stoopidity. Sorries one last tyme for mize ignorants and stoopiddity. Wee kant helps it ya no, weeze jhust dumbies afterall.

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Quoted for posterity, as they say.

What a drama-filled, incoherent rant. What do you think you're trying to prove with this? You're really coming across as a crackpot.

Please get help for yourself.

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Quoting geek

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Quoted for posterity, as they say.

What a drama-filled, incoherent rant. What do you think you're trying to prove with this? You're really coming across as a crackpot.

Please get help for yourself.

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Actually I'm pretty impressed; that took some effort! I appreciate effort.

Even when it's misplaced ;)

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Quoting Dogmatique

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Actually I'm pretty impressed; that took some effort! I appreciate effort.

Even when it's misplaced ;)

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Actually I figured I would never be able to make my point with most people here, I tried to make a little peace even though I know I wasn't perfect either. I owned up and apologized and asked to please just get back on track , but a few more insults were lobbed my way. Perhaps they were lobbed without first seeing my call for peace? I don't know. And whether you do or you don't perceive them as insults at first they truly were, I guess you would have to be in my shoes? Would I get away with insulting any of your children on here? At least answer that one honestly, as long as this out of hand discussion made it this far can at least offer me that truth. So Geek, even though it was coming off as a dramatic incoherent rant that is exactly what it was intended to be geek so thank you for getting the picture. You all, ok not all , SEEMED to just want an incoherent crackpot so I just threw up my hands and decided to give you one. No matter what I did or even commending Ohiogal for her work , which I still feel is true, some of you just wouldn't let me alone. I'm pretty sure a couple of you read it and got the message, and even sided with me although would never agree with me here publicly. Wouldn't kill any of you to stand up though and speak up for the honest truth. It would be ironic if I couldn't get an attorney to be honest here wouldn't it. I was the only one here big enough to apologize. I know I wasn't perfect here and I fessed up. but a couple people wouldn't let it rest. Geek you say I need to seek help? LOL that's what brought me here, to these pages. Look what it got me. A couple, maybe 3 people doing what they actually signed up here to do. And ripped to shreds by the others. Yeah, that sure is help.

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Quoting Ohiogal

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Thank you Flyingron -- and Dogmatique. I didn't insult her son. I said he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Which is true. He "forgot" he pocketed something which is a story hear constantly AND he doesn't want to pay the civil demand because it isn't fair and he just won't pay it. That is going to cost him. That goes on his credit report and will harm him for years to come. In addition his excuse is one that is heard constantly. He stole the part. He NEVER should have put it in his pocket. EVER. He hid it (secreted it) and left the store with it.

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Yes you did insult my son, blatantly obvious. would I get away with insulting yours? You say he's not the sharpest knife. then you stand by it and say it is true? and it is NOT an insult? Please define what it is then I'm very curious to know. One heck of a strange compliment if that's what it was. Then you say He stole the part, judgment has been passed, guilty as charged, decision final according to you and you are 100% positive! INNOCENCE NOT POSSIBLE! (sorry, wrong.)