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is there a reason you chose to point out what i wrote to be offensive?
as if the comment of me not having "common sense" was not meant to be offensive
is it more obvious that you are a "cheerleader"
my choice of words no matter my circumstance is exactly that "my choice"
i hope you used lube to ride the "common sense" commenter's private area...lol
oh the irony. Did you actually read what you posted and highlighted?
.informal offensive
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One placard and one vehicle in a completely different location to the residence.
So now you're abandoning your prior imaginary rule that provides that one tag is invalid if the other is already being used, in favor of a new imaginary rule that invalidates a tag if it is used within some undefined distance of a vehicle that is using the disabled person's other tag or plate?
I get that it offends you, but that doesn't mean that a ticket can be justified by made-up rules -- increasingly arbitrary made-up rules -- found nowhere in actual statutes, ordinances, regulations or case law.
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With Mr. Parker and Aunt May, if it WERE illegal it would be hard to enforce because of the distance between the vehicles. Having both tags/plates observed at the same time would seem highly unlikely until such time as they are barcoded and put into a centralized system.
I now have so many "what ifs" in my head that I would love to play with all of you, but I know this forum is not for that game. I would like to say thank you all for this discussion, I have learned a lot from it. I have just my placard, I decided against the plate. It moves with me from vehicle to vehicle. Partly because I don't trust my hubs not to abuse it when I am not present, and partly because I don't want my status adverstized when I am driving down the highway (I DO remove my placard from my mirror before driving--I don't want a ticket for that).
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This isn't your thread, and does not discuss the laws of your state, so I'm not sure why you believe the discussion would touch upon your use of tags.
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This isn't your thread, and does not discuss the laws of your state, so I'm not sure why you believe the discussion would touch upon your use of tags.
I don't think it does..I just went around the block to say thanks to all who responded here. Even though it isn't my thread, I learned from the discussion.
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Let me ask you a question. Do officers usually write tickets they know there is no statute or administrative code to enforce them?
Typically? No. Nor do they typically write PARKING cites. Clearly the officer was reaching (or completely in error) and making an assumption that he likely cannot support. On the face of it, the section cited is not supported by the facts.
It is also not uncommon for bad info to be related by other officers from time to time. I recall being told that certain code sections applied to marijuana pipes when it clearly did not. But, when the wrong interpretation is passed along enough, officers (particularly young and inexperienced ones) may tend to pass it along as fact without looking into it.
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Not where I live, though probably some have done it. On the other hand, they do make mistakes and misinterpret the law. Most officers are not lawyers and many of them have not actually read the text each of the laws they enforce. They rely primarily on the training they have received from the academy and their department, which is not all that in-depth; certainly nothing near the training lawyers get. Of course, the skill of officers varies from place to place in this country.
While there is a strained argument to make that what the OP did violated the ordinance based on the transport language in (B), in my view it is quite weak. But that argument is quite different than the one the officer put on the citation. There isn’t anything in the ordinance supporting his/her contention that it is illegal simply to park two cars with disabled placards that were issued to the same driver. I can understand that the officer may think the OP is abusing the placards, but the officer has not articulated a good legal argument for why it is wrong. Perhaps the officer is convinced it’s wrong and is hoping that the prosecuting attorney will nail down an argument that will work when it gets to court.
I don't believe that peace officers take it upon themselves to interpret the laws without guidance from shift commanders or chiefs or otherwise. Someone told that officer to write tickets for that infraction.
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So now you're abandoning your prior imaginary rule that provides that one tag is invalid if the other is already being used, in favor of a new imaginary rule that invalidates a tag if it is used within some undefined distance of a vehicle that is using the disabled person's other tag or plate?
I get that it offends you, but that doesn't mean that a ticket can be justified by made-up rules -- increasingly arbitrary made-up rules -- found nowhere in actual statutes, ordinances, regulations or case law.
I have not changed or abandoned my positron form my first post on this thread. This is about the abuse of the privilege to park free if you are disabled. OP is abusing that privilege and he got a ticket for it.
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I don't believe that peace officers take it upon themselves to interpret the laws without guidance from shift commanders or chiefs or otherwise. Someone told that officer to write tickets for that infraction.
That someone could have been another officer. That someone could have been wrong.
As a note, I have had to school our old DA and even some ADAs on the law here from time to time. Not everyone can keep up to date on everything, and local statutes have even less guidance than state law as there is rarely on-point case law to address the questions.
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I have not changed or abandoned my positron form my first post on this thread. This is about the abuse of the privilege to park free if you are disabled. OP is abusing that privilege and he got a ticket for it.
And, he got cited for the wrong section. If there is one, the one he was cited for was not it.
Again, if the state did not intend the holder to use BOTH placards, why issue two placards? I believe it silly to issue two placards, but, that's WA's thing, I guess.
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I don't believe that peace officers take it upon themselves to interpret the laws without guidance from shift commanders or chiefs or otherwise. Someone told that officer to write tickets for that infraction.
Then I think you have too formal a view of how things in government agencies work, including police departments. The employees do not get everything from their official training or from supervisors. They also get information (sometimes wrong) from fellow employees whom they think know it better than they do. And sometimes they just make assumptions based off what they think they know. A lot of times it works out that they get it right using these informal methods of getting information, but not always. I suggest this is one of those times. Heck, even if the officer got it from some supervisor it doesn’t mean the supervisor had a real clue what the law really said.
What the officer wrote on the ticket is clearly not supported by the text of the ordinance. Nothing in the ordinance remotely comes close to the officer’s theory of what is wrong. Perhaps the OP violated the ordinance in some other fashion, but it wasn’t the reason the cop gave on the ticket.
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I have not changed or abandoned my positron form my first post on this thread. This is about the abuse of the privilege to park free if you are disabled. OP is abusing that privilege and he got a ticket for it.
You usually do much better than making stuff up, then doubling down with more make-believe when people try to set the record straight.