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  • 04-03-2016, 02:51 PM
    jk
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
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    It's a volunteer fire department. The FD itself is the beneficiary, and since I'll be calling them if there's ever a fire, it only makes sense to support them.

    in my area volunteer is a misnomer. All fireman are paid for their participation (active response to a call) and I pay a bunch of taxes so they could build their new firehouse and pay the chief and a couple others as full time employees of the department. I don't see a need to pay more through a donation.
  • 04-03-2016, 06:16 PM
    BooRennie
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    in my area volunteer is a misnomer. All fireman are paid for their participation (active response to a call) and I pay a bunch of taxes so they could build their new firehouse and pay the chief and a couple others as full time employees of the department. I don't see a need to pay more through a donation.

    Your area and mine are not geographically the same. Most of the FDs in my county are volunteer, since we are a rural county with very little in the way of industry/retail (and most of that is in the county seat, which can afford to pay firefighters).

    I prefer to support the volunteer FD; they don't ask for fire dues (like the department in the next district over, who now has two or three paid firefighters), but their existence allows me to pay lower insurance rates.
  • 04-03-2016, 09:20 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
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    in my area volunteer is a misnomer. All fireman are paid for their participation (active response to a call) and I pay a bunch of taxes so they could build their new firehouse and pay the chief and a couple others as full time employees of the department. I don't see a need to pay more through a donation.

    Where I live we have a handful of full time paid professionals augmented by a large cadre of well-trained volunteers. Equipping and paying for training of even a partially volunteer force is expensive. In my county most the fire departments are volunteer and if they plan to buy any equipment - even turnouts, much less medical supplies - they have to fundraise. The meager taxes in most rural areas rarely cover the actual costs for services. Fire departments are an expensive undertaking - volunteer or not. And since they cannot simply raise taxes or assess victims/patients for their services, they often have to rely on fundraising to pay for services.

    That being said, the "pass the boot" campaigns tend to be for other fundraisers involving charities (primarily the MDA through the IAFF), not simply the local fire department.

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    Your area and mine are not geographically the same. Most of the FDs in my county are volunteer, since we are a rural county with very little in the way of industry/retail (and most of that is in the county seat, which can afford to pay firefighters).

    I prefer to support the volunteer FD; they don't ask for fire dues (like the department in the next district over, who now has two or three paid firefighters), but their existence allows me to pay lower insurance rates.

    Interesting. Out here, volunteer fire departments really do not effect private insurance rates. Having a professional department has a huge impact on commercial rates, however. It also can have an effect on growth and development. Some types of businesses simply cannot be feasibly built (or will not be) where full time paid medical and other emergency services are unavailable.
  • 04-04-2016, 11:24 AM
    Sire
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    The gender change without your permission is med-mal to say the least!

    If she went from anything to female, med-mal.

    If he went from female to anything, godsend.

    :p
  • 02-25-2017, 10:39 AM
    davidino
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    What if they slip and fall stepping onto your porch and tear ligaments in their ankle? Is the property owner liable?
    I had a pair show up after dark a few nights ago. We have a very steep driveway off a private lane. They came to a side door where the porch light was not on instead of to our front door where it was.
    They only show up about once every six months. They are clean-cut guys with ties. I asked them to show me their i.d.'s. They pointed to their name tags. I said no; their identification. They did and I told them politely that they were on my property uninvited and I'd like them to leave immediately, that my own religion was a personal and private matter. They respectfully turned and started walking away and as usual they asked over their shoulder "is there anyway we could help?" I said jokingly "yes, pick up your pace." And then I told them as I always do, "guys no offense but I'm just not interested." I also always tell them to be careful out there. I have three sons in their age group and I would not want them doing that in the dark. I realize that they have good intentions but I am genuinely concerned with their safety. We have had some neighborhood mail theft recently, plus our little Post Office was broken into. I don't use a gun but some do and there could be a mishap. I think that LDS itself should set a curfew. It would be sensible.

    I anticipate a reply that sarcastically chastises me that this thread is dead. Or, had I started a "new topic", a reply that says that the subject has been covered already or beat to death.
    So we say so go away. How large is the "we" contingent that you are the self-deemed spokesperson for?" Who made you God?

    My question is on exactly the same topic and I have not yet seen a post addressing a safety or personal liability issue. Also, the thread was not about discussion of a Fire Department; Religion has another dimension altogether.
  • 02-25-2017, 10:47 AM
    Dogmatique
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
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    What if they slip and fall stepping onto your porch and tear ligaments in their ankle? Is the property owner liable?
    I had a pair show up after dark a few nights ago. We have a very steep driveway off a private lane. They came to a side door where the porch light was not on instead of to our front door where it was.
    They only show up about once every six months. They are clean-cut guys with ties. I asked them to show me their i.d.'s. They pointed to their name tags. I said no; their identification. They did and I told them politely that they were on my property uninvited and I'd like them to leave immediately, that my own religion was a personal and private matter. They respectfully turned and started walking away and as usual they asked over their shoulder "is there anyway we could help?" I said jokingly "yes, pick up your pace." And then I told them as I always do, "guys no offense but I'm just not interested." I also always tell them to be careful out there. I have three sons in their age group and I would not want them doing that in the dark. I realize that they have good intentions but I am genuinely concerned with their safety. We have had some neighborhood mail theft recently, plus our little Post Office was broken into. I don't use a gun but some do and there could be a mishap. I think that LDS itself should set a curfew. It would be sensible.

    I anticipate a reply that sarcastically chastises me that this thread is dead. Or, had I started a "new topic", a reply that says that the subject has been covered already or beat to death.
    So we say so go away. How large is the "we" contingent that you are the self-deemed spokesperson for?" Who made you God?

    My question is on exactly the same topic and I have not yet seen a post addressing a safety or personal liability issue. Also, the thread was not about discussion of a Fire Department; Religion has another dimension altogether.

    Would you like some Brie?
  • 02-25-2017, 01:07 PM
    Taxing Matters
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
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    What if they slip and fall stepping onto your porch and tear ligaments in their ankle? Is the property owner liable?

    If the property owner knows of risks of danger to those entering upon his/her land that would not be apparent to others and if the property owner has failed to take reasonable steps to prevent harm to others as a result of that danger then the property owner may indeed be liable. If there is a lighted both to the front door and someone chooses to use an unlighted path without the aid of a flaslight to a side door and the injury occurs simply because it was dark and the hazard could not be seen simply because it was unlighted then the homeowner likely has a good defense that the person assumed the risk of that injury because (1) the person chose to take the unlighted path despite a lighted one being available and (2) the person did not use a flash light to see his way.

    As that was the only question asked, I’m not sure what the point of the rest of the post was. Whether the person is there to preach religion or for some other purpose really doesn’t change the answer to this.
  • 02-25-2017, 02:05 PM
    adjusterjack
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
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    What if they slip and fall stepping onto your porch and tear ligaments in their ankle?

    Then you call your homeowners insurance company claims department, report the incident, then let the experts handle it.
  • 02-25-2017, 02:45 PM
    davidino
    Re: How to Stop Religious Door Knockers
    OK, and thanks. No one was injured, I just started thinking about it after they scared the heck out of us with the knock on that door at that time of day.

    There has been a lot of drug related crime around here lately and it seems to be escalating. A year or two ago a couple of scumbags in white shirts with ties were going through the neighborhood posing as bible-thumpers, most likely to case-out residences for future plans. They were not very convincing though. As they started the climb up my driveway I called down to them, "don't even think about it; get off of my property now; you are trespassing." They gave me the finger and one yelled, "too much pigment for you?" (as if that had something to do with my telling him to leave). They must have stopped by my neighbor's house on their way up the lane because by the time they got back to the bottom the cops were there waiting for them. They should have limited their preaching to "God Bless", the typical last line of the cardboard panhandling signs. You've seen them by the road, those folks with the cell phone, pack of cigarettes, and pit bull to feed.
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