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  • 03-02-2016, 07:14 AM
    sparks82
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    Actually I do know. The state patrol investigators showed me. They had pics of a hoodie, a wooden toy gun and possibly a knife. I can't remember but the news article stated the clerk said the guy had a gun and knife. They only interviewed me, his other ex HER mom and his dad. Not the friend he was with or anyone else he was with that week. Honestly it could be this sketchy guy he was hanging out with that week.

    The clerk said the guy was slouched over and "if he stood up straight he'd be 5'7''ish." He's 6'1" 220 lbs. Nowhere near 5'7". I had access to his FB then too. I know what he was doing. Buying a lot of meth. He said he did go in that gas station and wrote a check when he bought beer. He had someone bring him meth. Once he has those two things he wasn't leaving. I know I've seen him at his friends. He wouldn't have left to get more until he came down off his high. And he didn't leave til next day and was searching for more.

    If she had described someone like him I'd be like OK he probably did it. But she didn't. There is a big difference between 5'7'' and 6'1 and the guy had a mask. But she knows him! She would've recognized his voice. His build. His walk. So my question was at court likelihood of dismissal. Especially when he has an alibi.

    It's really weird they only suspect him when there's a robbery in that area when he wasn't the only one to rob the bars in that town. Yeah he has ****ed up a LOT. But he finally turned it around and now it really seems like he's being set up because the cops are lazy. They couldn't even call the county he was in to arrest him. He's PO office knew right where he was. No they lied about transferring his case. But they could ask SP to come question me? It's all shady.

    I think it was this guy he even called sketchy. I looked through his old messages and he messaged the guy around the time of this and asked where he was at so he could get his clothes. Plus the clerk's boyfriend is friends with the guy...very shady. Plus that sketchy guy also had stolen a four wheeler around this time too and then was trying to sell it.
  • 03-02-2016, 10:53 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
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    Actually I do know. The state patrol investigators showed me.

    They showed you what they wanted to show you. Why they bothered to show you anything at all is beyond me ... on the face of it, they were stupid to do so. But, I suppose they wanted something from you so they showed you what they wanted you to know.

    He should speak ONLY to his attorney and work with him. Hopefully this event will be enough to force him into rehab and that he will actually decide it is worthwhile and voluntarily comply.
  • 03-02-2016, 11:10 AM
    sparks82
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    Does anyone read any of my comments? He already went to rehab. He was living in a halfway house. He graduated rehab and went to the halfway house. He's been sober since Sept 2015. He was working. He was getting his life together when he got arrested. I don't know why people say "he needs to go to rehab" when he's been sober. He wasn't sober before Sept 14 no.

    They had investigators talk to me. They showed me a picture of the hoodie and the wooden gun and asked if I recognized them. I said the hoodie doesn't look like the one he had but I can't remember since I haven't seen it in so long. The toy gun never have I seen anything like that in my life. It looked like someone who is crafty with wood made it. They only talked to me, his ex wife, her mom and his dad. His ex wife and definitely her mom have had nothing to do with him in years. His ex wife only talks to him about the kids.

    My question was could it be dismissed. Yes he's a recovering addict. Yes he's done a lot of stupid messed up stuff. Yes he has a criminal history. That's not being debated. His sobriety is also not an issue here as he's been sober since Sept when he went to rehab after he ended up sleeping in a park for a night. He called his mom and she picked him up. Took him to police station, no warrants. Shelter wouldn't take him and hospital wouldn't take him because he said he was ok. So she said rehab or you go back to the park. That Monday he went to rehab. Sober ever since. Is that clarified enough now about his current state of sobriety?

    If they had his fingerprints they would have arrested him immediately when they found them. So I think that's a load of crap that I have only heard from the clerk's boyfriend. The boyfriend is also friends with the sketchy guy and makes me wonder if it wasn't somehow an inside thing or he had a part in it the way he keeps pushing that my ex is guilty and telling everyone how guilty he is and only him. Ignores the description by his gf.

    I honestly don't know why they came and talked to me or his other ex when we were nowhere near him when this happened. Probably wanted to get dirt on him. I don't know. That sheriff dept is pretty damn shady honestly.
  • 03-02-2016, 11:50 AM
    Dogmatique
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    Could it? Sure.

    But truly, that's not your problem. You weren't there, you don't know whether or not he did do it no matter how much you try to fool yourself into thinking that you do know.
  • 03-02-2016, 12:01 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
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    Does anyone read any of my comments? He already went to rehab. He was living in a halfway house. He graduated rehab and went to the halfway house. He's been sober since Sept 2015. He was working. He was getting his life together when he got arrested. I don't know why people say "he needs to go to rehab" when he's been sober. He wasn't sober before Sept 14 no.

    You believe he was sober. You really think that everyone in rehab is truly in recovery and do not slip? If you believe that, then your exposure to people on meth. is very limited.

    I have been working with recovering addicts - not just arresting them - for more than 20 years, and have been tight with recovery programs for 15. I know addicts, and I worked side by side with a great many of them for years as they walked their path to sobriety (even when they fell and I had to hook them back up).

    Unless you are with the guy 24/7, you do not KNOW whether he is clean and sober or not. You can hope, you can guess, you can pray, but you cannot KNOW. That's the "magic" of meth. The users can sometimes become magical manipulators of people that care for them, and they will lie and deceive to get their next hit. When they are using, they can be Jekyll and Hyde.

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    They had investigators talk to me. They showed me a picture of the hoodie and the wooden gun and asked if I recognized them. I said the hoodie doesn't look like the one he had but I can't remember since I haven't seen it in so long. The toy gun never have I seen anything like that in my life. It looked like someone who is crafty with wood made it. They only talked to me, his ex wife, her mom and his dad. His ex wife and definitely her mom have had nothing to do with him in years. His ex wife only talks to him about the kids.
    So, they showed you what they wanted you to see ... as I said. They did NOT show you the reports, the statements, and everything they had. Oh, and they could lie to you.

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    My question was could it be dismissed.
    Anything COULD be dismissed (or dropped). But, there does not appear to be any good reason to do so here. Unless he can definitively show that he was someplace else at the time of the robbery, there's no reason to just drop the matter. But, you never know. If the DA feels he lacks the evidence to pursue the case, he will drop the matter.

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    If they had his fingerprints they would have arrested him immediately when they found them.
    Not necessarily. Once they make an arrest a clock starts ticking and they may have to rush to trial. If you think once we identify prints we rush to the DA and then the court seeking an arrest warrant, you don't understand how this works.

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    I honestly don't know why they came and talked to me or his other ex when we were nowhere near him when this happened. Probably wanted to get dirt on him. I don't know. That sheriff dept is pretty damn shady honestly.
    Or, more likely, they were trying to cover their bases. Talk to friends and known associates to see if they might know what he was up to, or if they can find out details that can help them make their case. Sounds like relatively thorough policing to me.
  • 03-03-2016, 08:54 AM
    sparks82
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    Yes I do know that he's been sober. He was in rehab for a month. Do you think he was going to get drugs when he wasn't allowed to leave rehab and I, his mom and his pastor were the only ones who visited him that whole month. Once his ex brought the kids by. Then until he got in the halfway house, he was with me for a two weeks. I never let him take my car. He had no money. He has no contacts in the town I live. He didn't go anywhere.

    Then he was in the halfway house until last last week. Then he was with me. He was passing all UAs and he would've definitely failed for meth when he is on a random call in number. He has been working. So yes I know that he has been sober since Sept. I know for a fact he's been sober since Sept.

    I saw the clerk post on Facebook about the incident. She was still friends with him until they came and told her they were arresting him. She said the guy was slouched over and IF he stood up straight he'd be 5'7''ish. He's 6'1'' 220 lbs. He has an alibi. He was with his friend all day and all night. He told me he thinks why the cops came after him to start is the guy who dropped off his meth was leaving town. They pulled him over and asked why he was in town. (Super small town the cops know everyone). He said visiting my ex and that he "had a lot of cash." He had a lot of cash because he was using his dad's checks. That is what I thought they'd arrest him for but they haven't ever seemed concerned about it. In fact the cop who went to talk to his dad, he thought they were there about the checks. The cop said no I don't have anything to do with that. But his dad didn't press further and he told the bank it was resolved.

    They didn't talk to ANY of his friends or known associates. We aren't his "known associates.' His ex spouses? Who he had little to no contact with and wasn't living with? His dad ok. He had been living with his dad. But his friends said no one came and talked to them. Especially the one he was with that night. I would think cops would go check out an alibi. He did call me from his friend's phone earlier that day and, yes, sounded completely messed up in the voicemail. I texted him and said I wanted nothing to do with him until he was sober.

    OMG please, PLEASE tell me more how a meth user is manipulative and unpredictable. I have zero idea about how they manipulate people to get money so they can get more meth...or steal...or lie...or how they can go off the deep end when they don't get anymore and beat the living shit out of a person. Yes I have no idea about any of that. (If you didn't pick up the heavy sarcasm, that was sarcasm).

    Now the rumors in that town are flaring (it's like a town of 500) and one rumor is he "got away" on his friend's shitty riding lawnmower. Seriously? The clerk said the guy ran off toward a building into the dark.

    I don't think it's him because 5'7'' "if he stood up straight" is a far cry from 6'1'' 220 lbs. Very big difference. And he was bouncing around from house to house and a couple days later he messaged a guy saying "Hey where have you been? My clothes are in your car." I don't know how tall that guy is but that sketchy guy had also robbed a four wheeler around the time of that robbery and was trying to sell it. And that sketchy guy is also friends with the clerk's boyfriend. To me, that seems very suspicious.

    He had his first hearing today. He has a public defender but I'm going to see about getting a private lawyer. They couldn't lower his bail because that's the minimum already apparently. Date set for PH.

    I find it bullshit that they immediately suspect him and only him anytime there's a crime. Whether he lives there or not when he wasn't the only one who robbed those bars.
  • 03-03-2016, 12:40 PM
    Taxing Matters
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    You are seeing what you want to see. You've given some possible things to raise in a defense, but it's no a slam dunk he will get a acquitted by a jury based on that. I don't see the charges getting dismissed on this one just based on what you said here. The prosecutor and court aren’t going to know his defense after all until trial. It will be up to a jury to decide if he’s guilty or not, if it makes it that far. An alibi given by “associates” who are not very reliable people might not impress the jury much. His DNA on the hoodie and the fact that the hoodie was apparently his might make more of an impression. He can try to argue that someone else stole the hoodie and committed the crime, but a jury is likely to see that as no more than an excuse unless he has something more to present to back that up. You don't know that he was still sober. If he was sober and didn't need to score some meth why'd he steal from his father? If he was capable of stealing from his father when sober, what else might he do sober? Why is hanging around people that might be criminals? That's a good way to get into trouble. Even if he‘s not using it sounds like he needs to make changes in his life. Stealing from relatives and hanging out with possible criminals does not speak to someone who has his life together.
  • 03-03-2016, 12:56 PM
    Dogmatique
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
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    Yes I do know that he's been sober. He was in rehab for a month. Do you think he was going to get drugs when he wasn't allowed to leave rehab and I, his mom and his pastor were the only ones who visited him that whole month. Once his ex brought the kids by. Then until he got in the halfway house, he was with me for a two weeks. I never let him take my car. He had no money. He has no contacts in the town I live. He didn't go anywhere.

    Then he was in the halfway house until last last week. Then he was with me. He was passing all UAs and he would've definitely failed for meth when he is on a random call in number. He has been working. So yes I know that he has been sober since Sept. I know for a fact he's been sober since Sept.

    I saw the clerk post on Facebook about the incident. She was still friends with him until they came and told her they were arresting him. She said the guy was slouched over and IF he stood up straight he'd be 5'7''ish. He's 6'1'' 220 lbs. He has an alibi. He was with his friend all day and all night. He told me he thinks why the cops came after him to start is the guy who dropped off his meth was leaving town. They pulled him over and asked why he was in town. (Super small town the cops know everyone). He said visiting my ex and that he "had a lot of cash." He had a lot of cash because he was using his dad's checks. That is what I thought they'd arrest him for but they haven't ever seemed concerned about it. In fact the cop who went to talk to his dad, he thought they were there about the checks. The cop said no I don't have anything to do with that. But his dad didn't press further and he told the bank it was resolved.

    They didn't talk to ANY of his friends or known associates. We aren't his "known associates.' His ex spouses? Who he had little to no contact with and wasn't living with? His dad ok. He had been living with his dad. But his friends said no one came and talked to them. Especially the one he was with that night. I would think cops would go check out an alibi. He did call me from his friend's phone earlier that day and, yes, sounded completely messed up in the voicemail. I texted him and said I wanted nothing to do with him until he was sober.

    OMG please, PLEASE tell me more how a meth user is manipulative and unpredictable. I have zero idea about how they manipulate people to get money so they can get more meth...or steal...or lie...or how they can go off the deep end when they don't get anymore and beat the living shit out of a person. Yes I have no idea about any of that. (If you didn't pick up the heavy sarcasm, that was sarcasm).

    Now the rumors in that town are flaring (it's like a town of 500) and one rumor is he "got away" on his friend's shitty riding lawnmower. Seriously? The clerk said the guy ran off toward a building into the dark.

    I don't think it's him because 5'7'' "if he stood up straight" is a far cry from 6'1'' 220 lbs. Very big difference. And he was bouncing around from house to house and a couple days later he messaged a guy saying "Hey where have you been? My clothes are in your car." I don't know how tall that guy is but that sketchy guy had also robbed a four wheeler around the time of that robbery and was trying to sell it. And that sketchy guy is also friends with the clerk's boyfriend. To me, that seems very suspicious.

    He had his first hearing today. He has a public defender but I'm going to see about getting a private lawyer. They couldn't lower his bail because that's the minimum already apparently. Date set for PH.

    I find it bullshit that they immediately suspect him and only him anytime there's a crime. Whether he lives there or not when he wasn't the only one who robbed those bars.

    I think you're blind to anything other than your own point of view.

    Are you still in counseling? That's probably a decent idea.
  • 03-03-2016, 02:20 PM
    Nursekd
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    At this point, he probably has not seen the complete discovery, so there could be more "evidence" that you are unaware of. I just wanted to comment about the "differences in height." If someone tried to rob me, I could see where I could be way off with the height issue. I do not judge that appropriately on my good days, much less if someone had a gun to my face. She is more likely to correctly identify a hoodie, like the one found with the suspects DNA.
  • 03-04-2016, 08:29 AM
    sparks82
    Re: Robbery with Use of a Deadly Weapon
    Are some of you just incapable of reading? He has been sober since Sept 14th. Not before that. I never said he was sober when any of this happened. Please someone point out to me where I said he was sober when this happened. Oh that's right, I didn't.

    I said since Sept 14 he's been sober. He went to rehab. Then between rehab and halfway house he was with me for 2 weeks. Then he was in the halfway house until he got arrested. No UAs failed. Had to report to probation for his number. So yes I know for a fact he's been sober since he went to rehab Sept 14.

    He was not sober when he stole from his father. I'm pretty sure I said he was on a meth bender and used the checks to get it. Since then miraculously he and his father have made amends. FFS his dad gave him a $50 gift card for Xmas. I'm not sure why. I wouldn't do that if my kid stole from me. I know my dad wouldn't even if we were making amends.

    I don't know why he talks to his addict friends still. A few of them he's known since he was like 12 so he has some weird thinking he has to stick by them or something. I don't know. He hasn't made the best choices in life. This is obvious. I never denied that.

    He had said that he felt sorry for his friends from his hometown who just sit around and drink all day and do nothing and he's been going to meetings. Goes to church (if that helps him more power to him), was going to try to get custody of his oldest son since the mom is in jail and the stepdad (who beat his son) somehow has custody for now. Or guardianship anyway.

    There's a lot of weirdness with this. If he's found guilty, and didn't do it, not much I can do. If he's not better for him. All I know is prison made him worse and it really doesn't help anyone. But whatever I guess. It is just odd they always suspect him even when he's not in the area, like a few years ago he was nowhere near one town where there was a robbery and they talk to him right away.

    But, for the last time, from mid Sept until now I know for a fact he's been sober. Can we get off that kick then?

    He had his first hearing and met his lawyer and he said he saw a file and there was nothing about fingerprints and sounds like they're not even sure if that's the hoodie that was used. I guess he'll find out in a couple weeks.

    I sure as hell can tell the difference between 5'7'' and 6'1''. I'm 5'10'' - so anyone shorter than me I'm gonna know the difference between them and a guy 6'1''.

    Why the hell would I be in counseling? No I'm not blind to anything else. When I first heard "a guy in a hoodie robbed the gas station" from his other ex, I told her "Well could be him." After reading the clerk say the guy was slouched over and IF he stood up he'd be 5'7''...that kind of threw doubt into there it was him. And he was with his friend all night. He had gone to the gas station that afternoon and used one of the checks to buy beer. If he really wanted more alcohol he would've bought it with the checks. He had way more money with his dad's stuff than was likely in a small town gas station register. And if he wanted more meth, he would've ripped off his dealer like he has done before.

    I never even said I was in counseling. So I'm not sure where you got that from Dogmatique.

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    Could it? Sure.

    But truly, that's not your problem. You weren't there, you don't know whether or not he did do it no matter how much you try to fool yourself into thinking that you do know.

    No I never said I know for sure and if I had any doubt I wouldn't be talking to him or helping him. But go ahead and pretend you know me. Maybe reading comprehension would be great for some people on here.
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