How Long Does a Trespass Ban Last After Shoplifting

My question involves criminal law for the state of: California my question is, I was banned from Walmart 5 years ago for shoplifting, cops weren't called, I payed a fine I know I signed something about being banned from there but I don't remember if it was just that Walmart or all of them and for how long. The Walmart where the incident happened was made it to a super Walmart know so where would I be able to find information out about the banned. Thanks in advance

The only place you can get an answer is from Walmart.

They would be able to look it up in their system?? Also could I call any Walmart or where the incident took place??

If they didn't give you a specific time period then it should be understood to be for-evah.

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My question involves criminal law for the state of: California my question is, I was banned from Walmart 5 years ago for shoplifting, cops weren't called, I payed a fine I know I signed something about being banned from there but I don't remember if it was just that Walmart or all of them and for how long. The Walmart where the incident happened was made it to a super Walmart know so where would I be able to find information out about the banned. Thanks in advance

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I know of several people who were banned from Walmart. After a couple of years they just started shopping there again and it never was an issue. I think that if someone were stupid enough to shoplift there again they would get in pretty serious trouble, not just for the shoplifting but for trespass as well.

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I know of several people who were banned from Walmart. After a couple of years they just started shopping there again and it never was an issue. I think that if someone were stupid enough to shoplift there again they would get in pretty serious trouble, not just for the shoplifting but for trespass as well.

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walmart is known to have used facial recognition systems. I do not know how widely they are used but if they are used in the area OP shoplifted and intends to return to, it is quite possible they will be recognized. If they are, they are going to get arrested.

that is one business I would not risk entering without express permission from somebody within walmart that has the authority to do so.

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walmart is known to have used facial recognition systems. I do not know how widely they are used but if they are used in the area OP shoplifted and intends to return to, it is quite possible they will be recognized. If they are, they are going to get arrested.

that is one business I would not risk entering without express permission from somebody within walmart that has the authority to do so.

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I can understand them using facial recognition systems on potential/suspected shoplifters but for them to run facial recognition on everybody who comes in the store would be literally impossible. The average walmart supercenter has foot traffic of 3500 to 4000 people a week and some supercenters have as many as 10,000 a day. The most recent dollar amount for shoplifting from Walmart was 3 billion dollars per year. If the average shoplifter attempts to steal even as much as $200.00 worth of merchandise that is 30 million shoplifting attempts. If they catch only 10% of attempts that's 3 million per year. Over the course of 5 years that would be 15 million people. Try running any facial recognition software that is going to attempt to match every person that walks in their door with 15 million people. Even dividing it by state to reduce the numbers would still make it almost 300,000 people.

Its just not viable.

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I can understand them using facial recognition systems on potential/suspected shoplifters but for them to run facial recognition on everybody who comes in the store would be literally impossible. The average walmart supercenter has foot traffic of 3500 to 4000 people a week and some supercenters have as many as 10,000 a day. The most recent dollar amount for shoplifting from Walmart was 3 billion dollars per year. If the average shoplifter attempts to steal even as much as $200.00 worth of merchandise that is 30 million shoplifting attempts. If they catch only 10% of attempts that's 3 million per year. Over the course of 5 years that would be 15 million people. Try running any facial recognition software that is going to attempt to match every person that walks in their door with 15 million people. Even dividing it by state to reduce the numbers would still make it almost 300,000 people.

Its just not viable.

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whether you believe it viable or not, walmart has stated they did run a trial program. They do state they have discontinued the trial. Did they?

but I think you underestimate the capacity of today's computer systems. Of course if their database would become too large they have several options. Breaking down the country into regions where the same people would be expected to travel within. Limit of it to theft over some dollar amount. Limit it to thefts within the last year or two or three or whatever and probably a lot more that I'm not seeing

there are many ways to reduce the database without greatly affecting then effectiveness of the system.


So, how many images do you guess Facebook subject to their facial recognition system? They had around 1 1/2 BILLION monthly active users in the last quarter. How may images does each person put on their page that is automatically scanned and compared to all of the pictures on Facebook so they can link them to every other image of that person on Facebook?

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whether you believe it viable or not, walmart has stated they did run a trial program. They do state they have discontinued the trial. Did they?

but I think you underestimate the capacity of today's computer systems. Of course if their database would become too large they have several options. Breaking down the country into regions where the same people would be expected to travel within. Limit of it to theft over some dollar amount. Limit it to thefts within the last year or two or three or whatever and probably a lot more that I'm not seeing

there are many ways to reduce the database without greatly affecting then effectiveness of the system.


So, how many images do you guess Facebook subject to their facial recognition system? They had around 1 1/2 BILLION monthly active users in the last quarter. How may images does each person put on their page that is automatically scanned and compared to all of the pictures on Facebook so they can link them to every other image of that person on Facebook?

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Entirely different. Facebook isn't trying to do it in the brief amount of time that a person enters into a store.

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Entirely different. Facebook isn't trying to do it in the brief amount of time that a person enters into a store.

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just for fun lets guess that a user at facebook posts an average of 1 image per user per month. That is 1.5 billion new images every month. That's 50,000,000 images daily. that averages around 580 images a second, or about 1.73 milliseconds per image.

You were saying what about they aren't trying do it in a short time?

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just for fun lets guess that a user at facebook posts an average of 1 image per user per month. That is 1.5 billion new images every month. That's 50,000,000 images daily. that averages around 580 images a second, or about 1.73 milliseconds per image.

You were saying what about they aren't trying do it in a short time?

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Facebook does not instantly make those connections, nor make all possible connections even on a monthly or yearly basis. Facebook's connections evolve over time, in ever widening circles. It is simply NOT the same thing. Facebook's connections are also not based solely on facial recognition, they are based on many other factors as well.

Bottom line...there is no way that Walmart could or even should invest in the kind of technology that would be necessary to scan every incoming customer against a database of banned people. They are far more pragmatic than that.

Example: 5 teenage girls go shopping together at Walmart. One of them attempts to shoplift. All 5 get dragged into the office and parents called. Nobody gets arrested but they all get banned for life. (standard Walmart ban) After a couple of years all 5 of them start shopping at Walmart again and nobody ever is stupid enough to shoplift again. Each of those girls spend thousand of dollars a year as adults in groceries and other products. What is more in Walmart's best interest?...keeping them banned and losing that business, (and possibly the business of their parents) or bringing the hammer seriously down if one of them does it again?

Fiscally, Walmart's best interest are far better served in catching shoplifters at the moment and bringing the hammer seriously down on repeat offenders than in maintaining a database of banned persons and ensuring that they never enter the stores again. Fiscally its a no brainer and Walmart is NOT fiscally irresponsible.

Sweet flaming Norah. The tangents we get onto.

OP, you asked: How Long Does a Trespass Ban Last After Shoplifting

The answer is, Until Walmart says you can come back.

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