Establishment of Probable Cause for a Drug Offense

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Quoting Jache

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Obviously you don't recognize a kid who is trying to something about something here. Maybe if people were better educated they wouldn't do things a stupid as wasting a quarter million dollars on a pimple-face kid fresh out of college working a minimum wage job. If you think justifying why that money was wasted is stupid, then I understand how this situation was allowed to happen.

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maybe if pimple faced kids fresh out of college wouldn't have illegal drugs setting around where an informant said they would find drugs, the police would not have spend much money at all investigating them. ;



and I have no idea what the police were told so I have no idea whether the investigation was justified but as I said before, given these lean times, budgets are scrutinized so a quarter mil isn't spent simply because some cop had a hard on for you. There was something to give the cops reason to believe the investigation was warranted. In fact, since it requires a court to issue a search warrant prior to the forensic inspection of the computer, apparently the judge involved believed there was enough evidence to continue the investigation as well.


even though you have claimed to accept blame, it is obvious you believe everybody else is wrong here.

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wow, just wow.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...d+drive+eraser

Yeah those don't work. I talked to a computer science person about those. It was discussed in a newspaper article a couple years ago during a child porn investigation that a University doctor attempted to use one of those to erase his harddrive, and while local police only found 4 pictures, federal police were able to find over 100.

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As for public disclosure of the investigation, I should have clarified. Nothing was released to the media AFTER the charges had been filed nor the case resolved. As for my knowledge of the investigation, I knew it was happening from the day the police raided the lab, and I wasn't arrested until 8 months later...so.

Really, its not so much the investigation happening I don't understand, its how charges were somehow filed on the basis of what they got from it.

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are you even from the US? I don't know anybody that is this naive

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Maybe my naivety of criminal matters and CJS processes should further attest to my innocence throughout all this. Minus drug possession.

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maybe if pimple faced kids fresh out of college wouldn't have illegal drugs setting around where an informant said they would find drugs, the police would not have spend much money at all investigating them. ;

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So you are implying that my blame extends beyond the possession of drugs in a workplace where someone said they would find them. That in this setting that crime will also carry the consequences of destroying that labs reputation, costing the public a quarter million dollars, and wasting public resources. My naivety is that police interpret the possession of 20 mg of drugs as being so extremely serious that it should trigger that sort of response. Dang, learn something new every day. I'm sorry I'm not going to accept blame for all that. Its stops at the drugs for me.

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Jache;903568]As for public disclosure of the investigation, I should have clarified. Nothing was released to the media AFTER the charges had been filed nor the case resolved. As for my knowledge of the investigation, I knew it was happening from the day the police raided the lab, and I wasn't arrested until 8 months later...so.

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I do not know of any investigative body that routinely releases the results of an investigation into a crime without it being requested. Are you suggesting the police should routinely publish the results of their investigations once the case at hand is concluded? Talk about wasting public resources. Do you have any idea the cost of such activity?

while you knew of the investigation, you did not know the details, or at least all of the details and especially the results of the investigation until such time they allowed you to know or the law allowed you to know.

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Really, its not so much the investigation happening I don't understand, its how charges were somehow filed on the basis of what they got from it.

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ask the court. They are who issued the warrant for your arrest. The prosecutor had to present adequate probable cause to the court or possibly even the grand jury to cause an arrest warrant to be issued.

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Maybe my naivety of criminal matters and CJS processes should further attest to my innocence throughout all this. Minus drug possession.

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don't confuse innocence with ignorance

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So you are implying that my blame extends beyond the possession of drugs in a workplace where someone said they would find them.

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I don't have the facts to state that nor deny it. I was not privy to the investigation and its results.

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That in this setting that crime will also carry the consequences of destroying that labs reputation,

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if anybody is to blame for any unlikely damage to their reputation, it lies with you. You had illegal drugs in that lab. It was your actions that brought the police to the lab and nothing else.

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costing the public a quarter million dollars, and wasting public resources.

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so investigating crimes is a waste of money?

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My naivety is that police interpret the possession of 20 mg of drugs as being so extremely serious that it should trigger that sort of response.

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I seriously doubt that is the only basis for their more in depth investigation.

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Dang, learn something new every day. I'm sorry I'm not going to accept blame for all that. Its stops at the drugs for me.

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well, learn this; the only reason it went beyond the police talking to you was the illegal drugs you had. That makes this all your fault, period.

I guess I failed to mention that another reason I'm here is because I don't really know how to interpret all this. I've tried for two years on my own, didn't get anywhere, and its helpful for me to get feedback from people more knowledgeable than myself who have a great deal of experience in these fields. This is a situation that drastically affected my life and involved the workings of a system I never had any action with previously. If this system had to potential to take my freedom away for the rest of my life, then I'd like to learn more about it so it never happens again.

Honestly, from the way you just framed I see things differently about the fault now. So I thank you for that.

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And honestly jk, you have been extremely helpful and patient with me. You've helped me wade through some stuff, and get a better perspective about opposing perceptions. I'll admit to some deficiencies in my demeanor that evoke anger in others, but I didn't come here for an audience or to impress the members of this forum. Merely sought answers, which you provided.