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  • 05-26-2015, 01:07 PM
    taosk
    Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    My question involves criminal law for the state of: New Mexico and Virginia.

    I was shopping at Kohl's in NM and I tried on earrings that were on sale for only $8 and walked around, searching for other earrings but I forgot I had these earrings in and walked out the store by mistake. Yes, I know that it's considered stealing and I 100% believe that I am at fault and am responsible for my actions. It was an honest mistake as I had gone to Kohl's earlier that week and had actually purchased jewelry of more value.

    I walked out of the store and was immediately called back and not until I walked back did I realize that I still had the earrings in. I immediately offered to pay and pay the full price, not the sale price but the security guy wasn't having it. They took me in, took a picture, and I signed a piece a paper stating that I would never shop at their store (to be honest, I actually have no idea what that paper said) and because the earrings were only $8, the police weren't involved. I believe that I was never cited. Or was I? Does anyone know???

    My main question is that now I'm in Virginia and I want to apply for a job at maybe a HomeGoods or Petsmart or something along those lines but I know that there is a National Retail Theft Database and I'm assuming that my name might be in there. Will new jobs that I apply for be apply to see this in background checks even if I may or may not have been cited? (btw, was 19 when this happened and still 19)

    I've definitely learned my lesson and I am more careful about my items and where I take them. Please help! Thank you so much
  • 05-26-2015, 01:21 PM
    cbg
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    The EL crystal ball is out being recalibrated. There's no way for us to know whether any given store will check the database, nor whether you are in it.
  • 05-26-2015, 01:33 PM
    taosk
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
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    The EL crystal ball is out being recalibrated. There's no way for us to know whether any given store will check the database, nor whether you are in it.

    Since the police was never called into question, that means I was never cited right? And since I was never cited that won't show up on my background check for a new job? That's my main concern!
  • 05-26-2015, 01:54 PM
    cbg
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    What shows up on any given background check depends on how deep and thorough a check is done. Just because the police weren't called doesn't mean no employer can ever learn about it. If you're looking for someone here to say it's impossible for an employer to learn about your theft sorry, but we can't in honesty tell you that.
  • 05-26-2015, 02:05 PM
    llworking
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
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    What shows up on any given background check depends on how deep and thorough a check is done. Just because the police weren't called doesn't mean no employer can ever learn about it. If you're looking for someone here to say it's impossible for an employer to learn about your theft sorry, but we can't in honesty tell you that.

    I agree, although its not going to show up in any criminal database because you were never arrested or cited. It could however show up in the National Retail Theft Database because that is not a criminal database. It is a database that is available to retailers who choose to participate in the database. There is no way to know whether or not Kohl's participates in that database or whether they would include people who they did not attempt to have arrested for shoplifting.
  • 05-26-2015, 03:04 PM
    taosk
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
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    I agree, although its not going to show up in any criminal database because you were never arrested or cited. It could however show up in the National Retail Theft Database because that is not a criminal database. It is a database that is available to retailers who choose to participate in the database. There is no way to know whether or not Kohl's participates in that database or whether they would include people who they did not attempt to have arrested for shoplifting.

    I was reading on Yahoo Answers and I'm pretty positive that Kohl's uses the National Retail Theft Database. Let's assume that they put my name in, will a retailer like PetSmart which is not similar to Kohl's, use something like the NRTD? I could understand if HomeGoods uses that because it's more similar to Kohl's. Do you think that this indiscretion will cost me a job?
  • 05-26-2015, 05:09 PM
    cbg
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    There is no possible way for us to tell what retailers use the data base and which do not. There isn't any formula to determine it and it's not limited to certain kinds of retailers. The whole point of the data base is that you don't know which ones are using it or not. All you can do is apply and find out.

    Oh, and don't "forget" to take off the earrings you try on next time. You're not supposed to try them on in the store in any case.
  • 05-26-2015, 05:18 PM
    eerelations
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    Most large, and many small, retailers use the NRTD. And they're not just interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from stores similar to theirs, they're interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from any store. (Whaddya think, if someone applies at PetSmart and PetSmart finds out the applicant has stolen from every kind of store in existence except pet accessory stores, that PetSmart is gonna say "well that's OK, let's hire this guy"?)

    As someone else has said, there's is absolutely no way that we could possibly know whether or not the stores you apply to are going to check the NRTD (except that it's more likely than not), or whether or not those stores will hire you after seeing your record.

    Finally, given that most/all stores prohibit people from trying on pierced earrings (most/all stores won't even let people take pierced earrings out of their packaging), and that most/all people know this, if these were pierced earrings you tried on and then walked away with, I have a very hard time believing that you weren't trying to steal them. Because pretty much no one ever tries on pierced earrings in a store. Just not done.
  • 05-26-2015, 05:18 PM
    bam!
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
    How long ago was this theft and were you a juvenile when it happened?
  • 05-26-2015, 06:17 PM
    taosk
    Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft
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    Most large, and many small, retailers use the NRTD. And they're not just interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from stores similar to theirs, they're interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from any store. (Whaddya think, if someone applies at PetSmart and PetSmart finds out the applicant has stolen from every kind of store in existence except pet accessory stores, that PetSmart is gonna say "well that's OK, let's hire this guy"?)

    As someone else has said, there's is absolutely no way that we could possibly know whether or not the stores you apply to are going to check the NRTD (except that it's more likely than not), or whether or not those stores will hire you after seeing your record.

    Finally, given that most/all stores prohibit people from trying on pierced earrings (most/all stores won't even let people take pierced earrings out of their packaging), and that most/all people know this, if these were pierced earrings you tried on and then walked away with, I have a very hard time believing that you weren't trying to steal them. Because pretty much no one ever tries on pierced earrings in a store. Just not done.

    It's okay. You don't have to believe me but it was an honest mistake and I learned my lesson, definitely not trying on any more earrings in store. My ears are double pierced and I usually have earrings in for both but I didn't have earrings in my second piercings and I usually do and my 2nd piercings were the ones that the earrings were in. It was 100% my mistake and I am completely at fault, I never realized that you couldn't try jewelry on in stores. I mean, how do you know if it looks good on you? I just don't see why I would I try to steal $8 earrings if I was at the same store like a week before and spent about $40+ buying other jewelry. I'm economically stable and I've never done anything bad and am a straight-A student. I know that sounds cliche but it's the truth. I'm not one of those people who steal for the "thrill" of it. Take it or leave it. Anyway, thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it.

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    Thanks for the information. No need to be rude. I honestly didn't know that you can't try them on. I've seen many people do it in stores and I, unfortunately, didn't remember to take them off. $8 is nothing so I just don't see the point.

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    I was 19 when this happened and still 19 now. I wasn't cited for it because it was only $8 so I don't think it would show up on my background check just maybe the NTRD.

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    How long ago was this theft and were you a juvenile when it happened?

    I was 19 when this happened and still 19 now. I wasn't cited for it because it was only $8 so I don't think it would show up on my background check just maybe the NTRD.
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