Changing the Location of Exchange for Child Visitation

I don't think you understand what I am telling you. You're getting it wrong. This has nothing to do with benefits. I'm displaying how all these meeting in public "positives" aren't actually positive because this guy is completely manipulative. At home would eliminate all of the unnecessary. The intention of him being there would be clear. He would drop her off and leave. He would not be there earlier than necessary. He would not linger around. No room to start fights. No reason for other people to get out of the car and provoke or distract. Just the direct exchange. Get in the car and go. And my daughter directly in the house. That is how she will be the safest. Anywhere but home there is room for all of that to occur as it did. This is what I am trying to convey. Public with cameras or not he will make me seem, and I say me because he can't really make my daughter seem like something, like I am doing something wrong and he will find a way to take her away from me. Do you know why he said he wants it in public? And I quote "because I do not feel safe". How is it unsafe for him? I have this in a text because I am sure in court he will say he did not say it. For him, it's nothing to do with our daughter. The man brought her into the fight to try and make himself look better when my dad was right there willing to take her. This is about the safety of my daughter because when there is an audience he will perform and who knows what will happen. It doesn't put the ball in our(all 3 of us) court. It puts it in his court. I don't care about cameras or witnesses. It's the location that matters. You can have the whole neighbor hood watch. In fact if anyone really was watching they would have saw that woman refuse to give me my child when I went for her. The only way to completely avoid any altercation is to have a party who does not know me and does not know him be there to watch and listen to the entire thing. If there is a way to meet in public and have it be safe for my daughter, that is it. I know another would be to bring someone and have them record it but I just do not have a ready reserve that are able to do that. It's pretty much just me. So that's not what I am saying at all. I've never started anything with this guy. It's always him and I'm not playing victim. I am just telling the truth.

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If meeting in public is the order set forth...would I be able to pick the place as long as it is public? I feel that him wanting there to be cameras and people is not a necessary requirement since a public place welcomes people and if he wants to record he is free to do so. I am saying this because there is a convenience store right outside the neighborhood that would be a good spot. It's not too far and it would go with status quo. Our current spot was the closest public area to home. I am sure that this will be another thing he fights even though it is a public place because he is not choosing it. Also, how to go about not defining a set location in the modification in case of another move?

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Quoting alphalimagolf

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I don't think you understand what I am telling you. You're getting it wrong.

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We're going only by your own words.

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This has nothing to do with benefits. I'm displaying how all these meeting in public "positives" aren't actually positive because this guy is completely manipulative. At home would eliminate all of the unnecessary.The intention of him being there would be clear. He would drop her off and leave. He would not be there earlier than necessary. He would not linger around. No room to start fights. No reason for other people to get out of the car and provoke or distract. Just the direct exchange. Get in the car and go.

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If you can't trust him in public, what on earth do you think is going to happen at your home? Do you really think that it won't be easier to start something?

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And my daughter directly in the house. That is how she will be the safest. Anywhere but home there is room for all of that to occur as it did. This is what I am trying to convey. Public with cameras or not he will make me seem, and I say me because he can't really make my daughter seem like something, like I am doing something wrong and he will find a way to take her away from me. Do you know why he said he wants it in public? And I quote "because I do not feel safe". How is it unsafe for him?

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BECAUSE YOU ASSAULTED HIS GIRLFRIEND IN PUBLIC. He has no reason to think you'll behave better without witnesses.

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The man brought her into the fight to try and make himself look better when my dad was right there willing to take her. This is about the safety of my daughter because when there is an audience he will perform and who knows what will happen. It doesn't put the ball in our(all 3 of us) court. It puts it in his court. I don't care about cameras or witnesses. It's the location that matters.

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Dad cares, obviously.

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You can have the whole neighbor hood watch. In fact if anyone really was watching they would have saw that woman refuse to give me my child when I went for her. The only way to completely avoid any altercation is to have a party who does not know me and does not know him be there to watch and listen to the entire thing. If there is a way to meet in public and have it be safe for my daughter, that is it. I know another would be to bring someone and have them record it but I just do not have a ready reserve that are able to do that. It's pretty much just me. So that's not what I am saying at all. I've never started anything with this guy. It's always him and I'm not playing victim. I am just telling the truth.

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If meeting in public is the order set forth...would I be able to pick the place as long as it is public? I feel that him wanting there to be cameras and people is not a necessary requirement since a public place welcomes people and if he wants to record he is free to do so. I am saying this because there is a convenience store right outside the neighborhood that would be a good spot. It's not too far and it would go with status quo. Our current spot was the closest public area to home. I am sure that this will be another thing he fights even though it is a public place because he is not choosing it. Also, how to go about not defining a set location in the modification in case of another move?

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Hon, listen up.

You are on the record assaulting his girlfriend while in a public venue with others watching. Once you're on home ground, on your own turf, with no third party witnesses - well, what would you think if the situation was reversed? It's not too much of a reach to think you'll do even worse when nobody is watching.

Since you said that location doesn't matter though, why not do pick up and drop off at HIS home?

*sigh* because of what I have been trying to tell you. All you are seeing is that I was arrested for assault. I know that is cut and dry. You are taking that and making it seem like I am the one who started it all. I did not. I finished it in the aspect that I for all purposes "won" the fight. It's also not too much to think that this all would have been avoided if he had intervened and told his girlfriend to give me my daughter or even better GIVEN HER TO ME HIMSELF. this was all said by the judge at the hearing to have her returned to me where he declared that my daughter was not safe with me. Well, It seems to me and the judge that my daughter was and is safe with me. If I take her to his home, what does that do? Give him all the ammo in the world to stage something against me and put my daughter in a bad situation have me arrested and he once again take her from me. You read that incorrectly as well. I said location DOES matter. That question was for in case we do have to meet in public, how to phrase it so that I don't have to state an address of exchange so that if we move I don't have to go to court to do another modification to update the exchange point to a place closer . The idea is to level the ground. He will behave when he knows that he is not in control. That is when I can trust him. The elimination of the third party is necessary as well. I would never fight with my daughter in my arms. The opposite of what he did. I am not out to get this guy. I do not care about making him look bad. I do not care about attacking him. I seriously do not know what you are reading but you are not reading carefully. And you know what else...every counter you have to what I say is not about my daughter but about him protecting his girlfriend nor his daughter, now what does that tell you? You also overlook the fact that he placed his daughter in immediate danger. Yes I was fighting but it was not near my daughter so that she could be hurt.

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Quoting alphalimagolf

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*sigh* because of what I have been trying to tell you. All you are seeing is that I was arrested for assault. I know that is cut and dry. You are taking that and making it seem like I am the one who started it all. I did not. I finished it in the aspect that I for all purposes "won" the fight. It's also not too much to think that this all would have been avoided if he had intervened and told his girlfriend to give me my daughter or even better GIVEN HER TO ME HIMSELF. this was all said by the judge at the hearing to have her returned to me where he declared that my daughter was not safe with me. Well, It seems to me and the judge that my daughter was and is safe with me. If I take her to his home, what does that do? Give him all the ammo in the world to stage something against me and put my daughter in a bad situation have me arrested and he once again take her from me. You read that incorrectly as well. I said location DOES matter. That question was for in case we do have to meet in public, how to phrase it so that I don't have to state an address of exchange so that if we move I don't have to go to court to do another modification to update the exchange point to a place closer . The idea is to level the ground. He will behave when he knows that he is not in control. That is when I can trust him. The elimination of the third party is necessary as well. I would never fight with my daughter in my arms. The opposite of what he did. I am not out to get this guy. I do not care about making him look bad. I do not care about attacking him. I seriously do not know what you are reading but you are not reading carefully. And you know what else...every counter you have to what I say is not about my daughter but about him protecting his girlfriend nor his daughter, now what does that tell you? You also overlook the fact that he placed his daughter in immediate danger. Yes I was fighting but it was not near my daughter so that she could be hurt.

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Your last sentence tells me you're really not seeing this clearly.

Looks like it's back to court for you guys.

LOL yes, court was always going to happen. Do you know what the judge said when they were telling their story...let me go verbatim:
Judge: So why didn't you give her to her?
Ex: It was still my time
Judge: Why were at the place if it was your time?
Ex: We got there early.
Judge: Listen, not giving a mother her child will spark a fight every time. You should have just given her to mom.


I am done with this conversation. You have complete tunnel vision.

And you really do not get it. You have a text from him saying he doesn't feel safe and you think that will help you? It will NOT help you.

In dad's position I would ask the court to require the exchange to take place at the cop shop. Period.

She started it and you finished it? In front of your kid. Awesome.

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Quoting alphalimagolf

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LOL yes, court was always going to happen. Do you know what the judge said when they were telling their story...let me go verbatim:
Judge: So why didn't you give her to her?
Ex: It was still my time
Judge: Why were at the place if it was your time?
Ex: We got there early.
Judge: Listen, not giving a mother her child will spark a fight every time. You should have just given her to mom.


I am done with this conversation. You have complete tunnel vision.

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I am the Delaware Aqueduct. My vision is massive, and awesome.

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I suggest the police station. That way neither can play any shenanigans