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  • 01-14-2015, 12:25 AM
    bingomickey
    Headlight Not on During the Night, VC 24250
    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: CA

    I got the ticket as I forgot to turn on the light during the night...the court send the violation notice with 24250-NP VC code, what does NP here mean?

    Also on the letter I didn see any traffic school info. I've never had any ticket before, can I request the court to give me the traffic school option?

    Thanks
  • 01-14-2015, 05:56 AM
    donzoh1
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    I ran across this URL but don't know how much help it will be. It has a fair number of grammar errors and may contain some questionable reasoning.

    http://www.fightmyticketca.com/wp-co...le-Print-2.pdf

    The violation here is one point so Traffic School would be something you could request, assuming it's been at least 18 months since the last violation you attended Traffic School for. You might also want to consider Trial by Written Declaration as a first step. If you don't like the result there, you can go back into court for Trial de Novo.
  • 01-14-2015, 06:00 AM
    flyingron
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    No points on this (essentially an equipment violation) so traffic school would be pointless :)
  • 01-14-2015, 06:36 AM
    free9man
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    No points on this (essentially an equipment violation) so traffic school would be pointless :)

    CA Uniform Bail Schedule shows a point for it, unless it is handled as a correctable violation. Not sure how you can correct failing to turn your lights on.
  • 01-14-2015, 07:17 AM
    flyingron
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    Hmm....Dug out the 2014 schedule and it is a point. The previous year's schedule had it listed as 0.
  • 01-14-2015, 07:49 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    DMV website indicates 24250 is worth a point as well.
  • 01-14-2015, 09:19 AM
    bingomickey
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    Thanks guys for the reply. Actually I don't think there is anything I can fight here as I did forgot the turn on the light...I am just wondering if the best option for me is to go to court asking for a fine reduction and traffic school?

    Also I still didn't get what does NP mean here, I was hoping it is "No Point" but doesn't seem to be the case :)
  • 01-14-2015, 10:02 AM
    free9man
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    I am just wondering if the best option for me is to go to court asking for a fine reduction and traffic school?

    If you wish to accept responsibility for your actions, yes.

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    Also I still didn't get what does NP mean here, I was hoping it is "No Point" but doesn't seem to be the case :)

    If that were the case, I would think the officer would have marked it as correctable. But again, how do you get a correction signed off when there was no mechanical issue?
  • 01-14-2015, 10:20 AM
    flyingron
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    By turning on the lights? You think if he was going to do that, he'd hand over the proof of correction as well. Seems like a lot of effort to get $25.
  • 01-14-2015, 10:46 AM
    JH-Engr
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    Sometimes cops can act like jerks, sometimes they are super cool.

    I was in a small town in Missouri once, left my hotel at night and the streets were very bright with street lights and light from the adjacent parking lots & businesses. It didn't even dawn on me to turn on my headlights. When I drove a few blocks away I got stopped by a cop. He politely told me "I just stopped you to remind you to turn on your headlights. I wouldn't want to see you get into an accident down the road when you leave town. Have a nice evening". Probably the best experience I've had with a cop.

    Sucks you got a $25 ticket
  • 01-14-2015, 10:49 AM
    flyingron
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    I've had a cop stop me to remind me to turn on my lights. I suspect he really wanted to do a quick sniff test for intoxication.

    I've also had cops several stop me and suggest I slow down (including one time when it would have certainly been a criminal speeding (reckless driving) here in Virginia).
    My wife doesn't understand it. She always gets the ticket.
  • 01-21-2015, 11:20 AM
    bingomickey
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    Just to give an update...I went to the court and the judge says this is a non moving violation so there is no point, he also reduced the fine a bit...

    I searched in the DMV website and they actually mentioned 24250 as one point. I guess there is some difference between 24250 and 24250-NP?
  • 01-21-2015, 12:01 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Just to give an update...I went to the court and the judge says this is a non moving violation so there is no point, he also reduced the fine a bit...

    I searched in the DMV website and they actually mentioned 24250 as one point. I guess there is some difference between 24250 and 24250-NP?

    Well, the judge has no say as to the points. Points are assigned by the DMV when they receive the record of the conviction and not the court.
  • 01-21-2015, 01:23 PM
    bingomickey
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Well, the judge has no say as to the points. Points are assigned by the DMV when they receive the record of the conviction and not the court.

    The problem is that is they don't offer traffic school since they claim there is no point. Is it possible the judge made a mistake?
  • 01-21-2015, 05:19 PM
    CourtClerk
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
    About 2 weeks after your hearing, call the DMV and see if there is a point on your record. If there is, you can go back to court and ask for traffic school. They'll give it to you. When they process the conviction, they'll be able to see the point.
  • 01-21-2015, 05:32 PM
    donzoh1
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    The problem is that is they don't offer traffic school since they claim there is no point. Is it possible the judge made a mistake?

    That certainly seems like a possibility. This is particularly so when the point/no point issue apparently changed recently as discussed above. I'm betting cdwjava is correct here. When DMV gets to looking at the issue, the point could well be assigned based on the conviction. Then, it's going to be up to you to go back into court and either plead to a non-moving violation in place of the current charge or get the court to allow Traffic School. I'm thinking the court may have the old bail schedule which apparently shows no point.

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    Quoting free9man
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    If you wish to accept responsibility for your actions, yes.



    If that were the case, I would think the officer would have marked it as correctable. But again, how do you get a correction signed off when there was no mechanical issue?

    bingomickey,

    Not sure whether you got the memo but all readers here accept responsibility for all of their bad acts on the road. We all go down to the police station and turn ourselves in whenever we commit a traffic infraction, assuming we don't get a citation in real time. We call it "taking responsibility." Really, if you and the rest of the drivers would do what most of us here do, we wouldn't have any need for traffic officers anymore or for this website! We know that people like you are going to try to get away with stuff so at this point, all we can do is tell you to pay the bill. Starting now, if you want to hang around here, get to the police station immediately next time you mess up!
  • 01-21-2015, 06:33 PM
    CourtClerk
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Quoting donzoh1
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    That certainly seems like a possibility. This is particularly so when the point/no point issue apparently changed recently as discussed above. I'm betting cdwjava is correct here. When DMV gets to looking at the issue, the point could well be assigned based on the conviction. Then, it's going to be up to you to go back into court and either plead to a non-moving violation in place of the current charge or get the court to allow Traffic School. I'm thinking the court may have the old bail schedule which apparently shows no point.

    You really have no clue how the court works, do you? There is no one at the DMV that is going to look at anything, because everything the court sends is electronic. When they send exceptions back to the court, they're sent electronically. Once he's plead, they're not going to let him plead again so he can get a different charge, there was a time for that.

    As for the bail schedules, they're uploaded 2 weeks before the bail schedule is set to go live. The night before, all computers are shut off at 5:30 and the IT guys implement new schedules. They've done it in the middle of the day once when I remember them changing the bail schedule twice in 2 months. The second one happened literally at lunch. If you got in, or were an attorney we liked, you got expedited, if not, you're screwed. With the way the system is, they don't have to look at the new bail schedule, but it is there if you have nothing better to do than to read it.
  • 01-21-2015, 07:52 PM
    bingomickey
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Quoting donzoh1
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    bingomickey,

    Not sure whether you got the memo but all readers here accept responsibility for all of their bad acts on the road. We all go down to the police station and turn ourselves in whenever we commit a traffic infraction, assuming we don't get a citation in real time. We call it "taking responsibility." Really, if you and the rest of the drivers would do what most of us here do, we wouldn't have any need for traffic officers anymore or for this website! We know that people like you are going to try to get away with stuff so at this point, all we can do is tell you to pay the bill. Starting now, if you want to hang around here, get to the police station immediately next time you mess up!

    I am not sure what you are implying here. I've talked to the judge, plead guilty, and paid the fine. What I am asking now is if the judge made a mistake that will still lead to one point on my driver license which can be avoided by taking traffic school.

    The court asked me to call again tomorrow to confirm if there is point in dmv record. they can provide traffic school option if that's the case.
  • 01-21-2015, 09:36 PM
    donzoh1
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Quoting bingomickey
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    I am not sure what you are implying here. I've talked to the judge, plead guilty, and paid the fine. What I am asking now is if the judge made a mistake that will still lead to one point on my driver license which can be avoided by taking traffic school.

    The court asked me to call again tomorrow to confirm if there is point in dmv record. they can provide traffic school option if that's the case.

    I guess you didn't get the humor part. My wife doesn't either.

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    Quoting CourtClerk
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    You really have no clue how the court works, do you? There is no one at the DMV that is going to look at anything, because everything the court sends is electronic. When they send exceptions back to the court, they're sent electronically. Once he's plead, they're not going to let him plead again so he can get a different charge, there was a time for that.

    As for the bail schedules, they're uploaded 2 weeks before the bail schedule is set to go live. The night before, all computers are shut off at 5:30 and the IT guys implement new schedules. They've done it in the middle of the day once when I remember them changing the bail schedule twice in 2 months. The second one happened literally at lunch. If you got in, or were an attorney we liked, you got expedited, if not, you're screwed. With the way the system is, they don't have to look at the new bail schedule, but it is there if you have nothing better to do than to read it.

    Wow. I should have realized you were still out there. I feel really stupid.

    No, I haven't worked in the court for umpteen years like you have. I haven't trained people who work in the court like you have. Did you get tired of telling people what to do? (Did you see cdwjava's comment? Does he have any idea how the court works?)

    So you're saying there's no way to vacate a judgment? Is that peculiar to traffic court or does that apply in felony court as well? Computers shut off at 5:30? How did you know that? Oh, that's right. You trained people in the court. Are there IT girls too or is that mostly guys? Wow, did that interrupt your lunch or were you able to finish that? A Bail Schedule sounds like something pretty important.

    I wish I was an attorney you liked. Any pointers for me...I mean if I actually become an attorney? The ones you don't like...I guess their clients are screwed? Oh, you covered that...them and their clients.

    On an unrelated subject...Did you figure out yet that the City Attorney is not the prosecutor of record in California Traffic Infractions?

    I really wish I understood the court better. Winning four straight infraction cases is a pretty dismal record.
  • 01-22-2015, 08:34 AM
    CourtClerk
    Re: Headlight Not on During Night 24250
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    Quoting donzoh1
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    I feel really stupid.

    You should, it would be an accurate feeling.
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    Winning four straight infraction cases is a pretty dismal record.
    You probably should work at trying to drive without getting pulled over. 4 times? You suck at this driving thing.
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