Fraudulently Adding a Small Tip to a Credit Card Charge

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Quoting jk

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I thought he was fired? If so, his current income is $0.

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The job where he was fraudulently adding tips for himself was his second job.

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Quoting jk

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I thought he was fired? If so, his current income is $0.

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He has a primary job that makes between 37-38k/year and four children with me under 12 years of age. This delivery job was his second job.

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Quoting maidmarian4

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He has a primary job that makes between 37-38k/year and four children with me under 12 years of age. This delivery job was his second job.

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ah, I missed that somewhere.


bad news. He is likely to use up a lot of the household resources for an attorney.



thanks to you too cbg.

As of this recent Monday, he has lost both jobs (the "main one" was lost due to a major depressive stage and he screwed up royally). So currently, we have no income. He's actively looking and at this point probably has a newspaper delivery job while looking for a more stable one.

I would guess that currently at our income now, UTAH would set him up with a PD.

He was given the citation and that was it. No processing that involved fingerprints or bringing him into the police station. He was given the citation at his delivery job, and then the officer left.

He did start meds for Bipolar almost a week ago. He saw his first Therapist this week. I will make sure to keep tabs on that. After this post, I plan on calling his Psychiatrist and telling them that I'd like a form saying that he has Bipolar disorder that I can hand to the ballif. He's still manic and is determined to talk with the Prosecutor. He heard from a lawyer that that was what he should do because they are the ones with power. I agree, but they also have power to really screw things up worse, right?

He has a court date on this upcoming Monday with the Judge.

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Quoting maidmarian4

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As of this recent Monday, he has lost both jobs (the "main one" was lost due to a major depressive stage and he screwed up royally). So currently, we have no income. He's actively looking and at this point probably has a newspaper delivery job while looking for a more stable one.

I would guess that currently at our income now, UTAH would set him up with a PD.

He was given the citation and that was it. No processing that involved fingerprints or bringing him into the police station. He was given the citation at his delivery job, and then the officer left.

He did start meds for Bipolar almost a week ago. He saw his first Therapist this week. I will make sure to keep tabs on that. After this post, I plan on calling his Psychiatrist and telling them that I'd like a form saying that he has Bipolar disorder that I can hand to the ballif. He's still manic and is determined to talk with the Prosecutor. He heard from a lawyer that that was what he should do because they are the ones with power. I agree, but they also have power to really screw things up worse, right?

He has a court date on this upcoming Monday with the Judge.

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So sorry to hear about your most recent difficulty - sounds like you have a long road ahead of you.

The prosecutor has no incentive to speak with your husband until the judge is in the room. There is nothing to be said then that can't wait until his first hearing in front of a judge - and if your husband is truly manic - nothing good can come of it.

Bi-Polar....be careful because the courts have heard this a lot. We've seen it a lot "So bi-polar that I could drive to WalMart, load up my cart, forgot the cash register, found my car, loaded up...". They have the capacity to think, and even know they are doing something wrong. So if used as a defense....expect that..."he drove to....added a tip....".

That said...mugshot/fingerprints likely will be ordered by the court at a later date, after sentencing or could be sooner.

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Quoting PandorasBox

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Bi-Polar....be careful because the courts have heard this a lot. We've seen it a lot "So bi-polar that I could drive to WalMart, load up my cart, forgot the cash register, found my car, loaded up...". They have the capacity to think, and even know they are doing something wrong. So if used as a defense....expect that..."he drove to....added a tip....".

That said...mugshot/fingerprints likely will be ordered by the court at a later date, after sentencing or could be sooner.

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This. I'll save myself the repeating. Everyone becomes bipolar once they've found their behind in a sling. Granted, some of those diagnosis are legitimate, no one has the desire to see someone until AFTER they've been arrested and they're looking for an excuse to stay out of trouble. Of course the other thing is just about ANYONE can get a bipolar diagnosis from somewhere. It's the stock mitigation answer.

Until he can get back to work, you need to start looking for a job and since he's going to have continued periods of mania, you may want to KEEP that job so that there is at least one constant source of income in the house. Until that happens, you'll most likely qualify for welfare.

When I had my car accident, I had this shrink come to talk to me and ask if my accident was a suicide attempt. I told her in no uncertain terms to get the **** out of my room!

So I got a Bi-Polar Diagnosis.

Throw in a few months later, when I've filed for Social Security Disability, Temp Disability, etc., and was sent to different docs for Psych Evals. And even as recent as a year ago for a full Psych Eval because I needed help getting new hearing aids. All those shrinks said "bi-polar? Who the heck said that? I don't see it".

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Quoting PandorasBox

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Bi-Polar....be careful because the courts have heard this a lot. We've seen it a lot "So bi-polar that I could drive to WalMart, load up my cart, forgot the cash register, found my car, loaded up...". They have the capacity to think, and even know they are doing something wrong. So if used as a defense....expect that..."he drove to....added a tip....".

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I get that several people will try to get a "fill-in-the-blank mental disorder" diagnosis to try to get out of consequences. This was actually his second visit with the Psychiatrist. The first psych visit was about a month before this citation. At that visit, the Psychiatrist suspected Bipolar, but requested that I come to his next eval so he could hear what I'd been experiencing over our 14 years of marriage. So, this most recent visit to the Psychiatrist is when he said my husband has "classic bipolar" and prescribed meds. I recounted things that had happened at the very beginning of our relationship that the Psychiatrist said were Bipolar actions or reactions.

It sounds like these people that plead Bipolar don't know much about Bipolar. There does need to be a consequence for stealing no matter your mental status as an adult. The pull I am I guess envisioning, is that there is a plan of action put in place to prevent this from happening ever again. He's being monitored by a PhD Psychiatrist and PhD Psychologist/Therapist. He knows that if he doesn't keep them as part of his action plan, I will leave him and take our kids.

I feel like I have to be his advocate at this point. He's not in a clear state of mind that would allow him to make good choices with his words and actions. I've been advised by my own Therapist that I really need to walk him through all this to hopefully barr any problems he may make worse by his state of mind.

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Quoting PandorasBox

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When I had my car accident, I had this shrink come to talk to me and ask if my accident was a suicide attempt. I told her in no uncertain terms to get the **** out of my room!

So I got a Bi-Polar Diagnosis.

Throw in a few months later, when I've filed for Social Security Disability, Temp Disability, etc., and was sent to different docs for Psych Evals. And even as recent as a year ago for a full Psych Eval because I needed help getting new hearing aids. All those shrinks said "bi-polar? Who the heck said that? I don't see it".

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Why did a shrink come to you? Only due to a car accident? That is insane that they would ask one question, make a conclusion, and be ready to prescribe you meds. That is unreasonable and honestly sickening that they would just jump to a diagnosis like that.

However, it is totally typical for a person with BPD to say they don't have any BPD. It is a classic response. They are on top of the world. My hubby was convinced he just had depression although he had moments of grandeur thinking that he could spend money like crazy or get away with different things. He also has spikes of angry rage that have lasted weeks. It's not an easy diagnosis for your spouse to have.

make sure you monitor his meds VERY closely, my best friend died last week, from a heart failure he was on some type of cocktail of meds, depression, bipolar, I was the last person to talk to him, I think he took too many or not enough last week and started telling me crazy stuff over the phone, and after he hung up I think he took too many to get to sleep and he died.