Emancipation of a Minor in Kentucky

I am currently 17 years old and I live under the custody of my father and stepmother. I didn't start living with them until July, and that was because my mother was going to give me up to be a Ward of the State. My stepmother and my father are not fit to take care of me. My father is never home due to work. My stepmother just lays around and forces my brothers and I to do things for her. Our current, and only, car is getting ready to break down. They don't take care of us. We have no water at the moment, if we miss the bus they refuse to take us to school, my stepmom read all of my journals and letters out loud in front of the family and caused me to have a panic attack (and told me it was for my own good), I had to file my FAFSA for school under my mother because my dad couldn't even find his taxes, etc. I already have a place lined up to live in the county I live in, so I can finish school here. My parents agree this is the best plan. My stepmom is just constantly telling me she doesn't want me here. I don't have a job right now, because they won't allow me to have one, but I plan to get one asap after emancipation. I have been in therapy and on medication since I was younger due to problems and when I moved in with them, they took me off of it and out of it without asking anyone, including me. Which has taken a huge toll on me mentally. I have asked them to let me move out and they refused. The only way they will allow me to leave is through emancipation.
Do you think that I would be granted emancipation? What all do I need to do to ensure I am granted emancipation?

If your custodial parent gives you permission to move out, you don't need to be emancipated. Which is a good thing for you because nothing you have posted is even close to a valid case for emancipation.

And, btw, no. Based on what you have posted even if your reasons were valid, which they are not, your petition would fail. No minor yet has ever achieved emancipation without the means to support themselves. Don't have a job, before you petition the court, that is sufficient to pay ALL your own expenses while still going to school and getting better than average grades? No emancipation for you.

The only way that they will allow me to move out is through emancipation.

Then you won't be moving out. You don't meet the requirements for emancipation.

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The only way that they will allow me to move out is through emancipation.

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Then deal with it until you are 18.

you would have to prove that you can support yourself and if im not mistaken then you would have to have been supporting yourself for a few months. im in the process of trying to get emancipated now and its not easy. i work two jobs, go to school, and am about to be getting my own place at 16. its hard. but you can call social services and get removed if it is proven that your parents are unfit.

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and you dont need to be hurting peoples hopes to get out of a bad enviroment.

They are not hurting people's hopes, just telling them reality.

Get a job. Go get your GED or walk to school..... Save your money. The day you turn 18 you can move, but....

You need a budget. Rent, utilities (water, trash, sewer, electric). Food. Staples (things like deodorant, shampoo, laundry detergent, bath soap, hand soap, toothpaste......). Don't forget things like plates, cookware, utensils. Bath towels.

Transportation....how will you get a job? There are people that walk, ride a public bus, or ride a bike.....

Next thing: You don't have credit. Got someone to co-sign for that apartment? Don't forget the money for the deposit on the apartment (which can often be first months, last months, and an extra month for a deposit).

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and you dont need to be hurting peoples hopes to get out of a bad enviroment.

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Oh, you think it would be better for us to encourage her to continue thinking a court is going to approve her emancipation when we know they won't?

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Oh, you think it would be better for us to encourage her to continue thinking a court is going to approve her emancipation when we know they won't?

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no, but you can tell her other ways that she can get out of a bad environment.

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you would have to prove that you can support yourself and if im not mistaken then you would have to have been supporting yourself for a few months. im in the process of trying to get emancipated now and its not easy. i work two jobs, go to school, and am about to be getting my own place at 16. its hard. but you can call social services and get removed if it is proven that your parents are unfit.

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and you dont need to be hurting peoples hopes to get out of a bad enviroment.

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Where are you located?

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Where are you located?

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kentucky tennessee area

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kentucky tennessee area

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So we know that there is no statute addressing the emancipation of a minor in Kentucky.

Here's the deal:

1. Your parents have to consent unless there are extenuating circumstances
2. Emancipation is not, and was not, a means to get out of an abusive household.
3. The vast majority of landlords simply won't rent to anyone under 18.
4. The state is going to be looking for just about any reason to deny the petition.


Then use the "search" function here. It's fairly obvious that neither of you took the time to actually do that, so I suggest you read the other emancipation threads.

To Elizabeth - forget it. It's not an option for you.

You suggest a court turn out a child that is clearly emotionally compromised and unmedicated, who will not even take responsibility to get up in the morning in time for the bus and cannot even begin to provide herself with basic needs so she can likely become sexually exploited or addicted to drugs as a means of controlling her?

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no, but you can tell her other ways that she can get out of a bad environment.

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no, but you can tell her other ways that she can get out of a bad environment.

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Unless she is removed by the state she's in it for the duration. As long as she is under 18, she lives where her parents say she lives until her 18th birthday unless the state places her in foster care or a group home because they have been declared unfit.

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Unless she is removed by the state she's in it for the duration. As long as she is under 18, she lives where her parents say she lives until her 18th birthday unless the state places her in foster care or a group home because they have been declared unfit.

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which, she can in fact call social services and tell them the situation and they will get her out of the bad environment. trust me, i know. i've been there and done all of that. my parents didnt treat me right so i did everything i could to get out of the environment and i did. now im in the process of emancipation and if you'd like, then once i finish the paperwork i will be more than happy to show you. and you can get emancipated in both Tennessee and Kentucky area, i now because ive had somebody help me get this far.

She can call social services, yes. But it is far from a given that they will take her out. It will be THEIR determination as to what constitutes a "bad environment" that counts, not hers and most certainly not yours.

Yes, by all means when you are granted emancipation by the court post back with the case number that we can independently verify.

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which, she can in fact call social services and tell them the situation and they will get her out of the bad environment. trust me, i know. i've been there and done all of that. my parents didnt treat me right so i did everything i could to get out of the environment and i did. now im in the process of emancipation and if you'd like, then once i finish the paperwork i will be more than happy to show you. and you can get emancipated in both Tennessee and Kentucky area, i now because ive had somebody help me get this far.

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You haven't read a single thing, have you? Do you know what "statute" means? Do you know what "ward of the state" means?

What you think you know is so much more than you actually know.

but if its truly a bad environment then she will get taken out. you don't know what people go through when they're in a bad environment and i feel as if you don't really care.

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but if its truly a bad environment then she will get taken out. you don't know what people go through when they're in a bad environment and i feel as if you don't really care.

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I don't care for little girls pretending to be grown-ups, that's true.

And sweety, don't ever assume what someone here has or hasn't experienced. You have no clue.

Just another know-it-all teen who thinks that adults were born at the age of 35, were never a teen themselves, and who assumes that the law actually cares what she thinks.

more along the lines of a teen studying laws. im being more of a caring adult than you two are.

Unfortunately, poverty and multiple kids is not a reason for an agency to jump in and spend $6k per month on foster care. Until we determine unchecked birth and the resulting human misery is more important than the profits of the Bilderberg Group and their lackeys it will only get worse. Google Cloward Piven Strategy and you will see the goal is to populate the globe with masses of working poor so everyone is living at a level where they are required to spend all their money to survive and the profits of the 1% are maximized.

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but if its truly a bad environment then she will get taken out. you don't know what people go through when they're in a bad environment and i feel as if you don't really care.

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Unfortunately, poverty and multiple kids is not a reason for an agency to jump in and spend $6k per month on foster care.

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Where are states spending $6K per child in foster care? California averages about $29K per year per child. Ohio averages a bit under $24K per year.

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Google Cloward Piven Strategy and you will see the goal is to populate the globe with masses of working poor so everyone is living at a level where they are required to spend all their money to survive and the profits of the 1% are maximized.

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Dredging up an irrelevant footnote of a policy proposal from 1966 as if it has significance?

I was referring to taking away the children (multiple) of a family. Perhaps you believe the massive load of social services being provided at the expense of the US taxpayer does not encourage a family with 3 children to multiply into multiple families in the same line getting social services. As the saying goes, every time a food stamp card is swiped, JP Morgan makes 15 cents. Poverty supported by taxpayer dollars is good business.

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more along the lines of a teen studying laws. im being more of a caring adult than you two are.

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Here's what you don't understand, dear.

Yes, IF she is in a truly "bad", meaning dangerous environment, the state will remove her. That is true. They will NOT emancipate her. They will put her in the foster care system, or in a group home, or in some other state-controlled environment. MAYBE they will place her with another relative, under supervision.

However, what you and she consider a "bad" environment does not wash with the state. Only if THEY consider that she is IN DANGER will they take her out of her home. If you understood the laws you claim to be studying, you would know this.

EVERY teen thinks they are in a bad environment. It's the nature of the beast. So her dad isn't home due to work. My dad, a doctor, worked 14 and 18 hour days. So what? So if they miss the bus they're expected to take responsibility for their own actions. That's not, "not taking care of us", that's, "teaching you to be responsible".

She doesn't have a job. She can't support herself. There is nothing in any of her posts to suggest that her parents are unfit by the legal definition. She isn't going anywhere. And I strongly suspect that despite your claims, you aren't either.

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I was referring to taking away the children (multiple) of a family. Perhaps you believe the massive load of social services being provided at the expense of the US taxpayer does not encourage a family with 3 children to multiply into multiple families in the same line getting social services. As the saying goes, every time a food stamp card is swiped, JP Morgan makes 15 cents. Poverty supported by taxpayer dollars is good business.

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The more likely answer is that you're a blowhard who has no idea what it's like to serve as a foster parent, taking care of children from troubled homes and (if you do a decent job of it) spending no small amount of your own money to do so.

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Here's what you don't understand, dear.

Yes, IF she is in a truly "bad", meaning dangerous environment, the state will remove her. That is true. They will NOT emancipate her. They will put her in the foster care system, or in a group home, or in some other state-controlled environment. MAYBE they will place her with another relative, under supervision.

However, what you and she consider a "bad" environment does not wash with the state. Only if THEY consider that she is IN DANGER will they take her out of her home. If you understood the laws you claim to be studying, you would know this.

EVERY teen thinks they are in a bad environment. It's the nature of the beast. So her dad isn't home due to work. My dad, a doctor, worked 14 and 18 hour days. So what? So if they miss the bus they're expected to take responsibility for their own actions. That's not, "not taking care of us", that's, "teaching you to be responsible".

She doesn't have a job. She can't support herself. There is nothing in any of her posts to suggest that her parents are unfit by the legal definition. She isn't going anywhere. And I strongly suspect that despite your claims, you aren't either.

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you, dear, are the true definition of a heartless idiot. i never said she can get emancipated right now, i stated what she would need to get emancipated. and if shes harming herself then that is automatic removal, but not emancipation. you honestly misunderstood everything i said. clearly. like i said, im 16, two jobs, and full time student and graduating early. i know what it takes, and i know its stressful to be a grown up. but if she wants to get out as bad as i did, then she'll be doing everything she can. i was in a bad environment, i got things thrown at me, cussed at, told i was worthless and things of that nature. THAT is a bad environment. you really must not know what it means to be a mistreated child. i HOPE if you have children then they never have to feel the way mistreated children feel because you're clearly the type of person that would not care.

No, dear, harming herself is not automatic removal. And once again, even if the state agrees that it is a bad environment, which given her description is NOT going to happen, they would not emancipate her.

Come back when you've grown up, maybe ten years or so from now, and tell me then how giving her the truth instead of filling her head with absurdities about her being able to do things that the law will not allow her to do is heartless.

You have noticed, haven't you, that she hasn't been back for some time? Perhaps she's a bit more mature than you are and understands that sometimes people have to tell her things she doesn't like to hear, and has accepted that she is not a candidate for emancipation.

are you illiterate? ONCE AGAIN. I NEVER SAID SHE COULD GET EMANCIPATED. I JUST SAID WHAT SHE WOULD NEED! youre stupid. and no, she might have harmed herself more because of you telling her she has no options which is not true.

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are you illiterate? ONCE AGAIN. I NEVER SAID SHE COULD GET EMANCIPATED. I JUST SAID WHAT SHE WOULD NEED! youre stupid. and no, she might have harmed herself more because of you telling her she has no options which is not true.

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Watch your tone, child. You think you're mature enough to be emancipated?

Cute.

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you, dear, are the true definition of a heartless idiot. i never said she can get emancipated right now, i stated what she would need to get emancipated. and if shes harming herself then that is automatic removal, but not emancipation. you honestly misunderstood everything i said. clearly. like i said, im 16, two jobs, and full time student and graduating early. i know what it takes, and i know its stressful to be a grown up. but if she wants to get out as bad as i did, then she'll be doing everything she can. i was in a bad environment, i got things thrown at me, cussed at, told i was worthless and things of that nature. THAT is a bad environment. you really must not know what it means to be a mistreated child. i HOPE if you have children then they never have to feel the way mistreated children feel because you're clearly the type of person that would not care.

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Q4P.

Ah so you can dish it out MrK but when you are told you have a rectalcranial inversion in response it is edited by admin. I will repeat, I have supported family abandoned relatives so they could finish high school for years out of my own pocket and also supported several poor children of other families so they would fit in at high school spending thousands of my own. I did not beg the state for reimbursements or take charitable deductions though I usually run such designated donations through the church as they income qualify all recipients of aid. We also donate to our local homeless shelter and when gas was $4 a gallon donated several gas cards to the churches SHARE OUTREACH to give out as they deemed fit. FYI, I was told by one of their staff, 2 of the cards went to an older woman on disability who could not afford the gas to get to the pharmacy for her free medication and she was in tears that someone cared enough to help her. You can call me a lot of things, but uncaring and unfeeling are no where in the ball park. I am however a realist and you can only break $1 into 100 cents so the obvious answer if you have a limit on dollars is to try and curb the thousands in need from procreating and making the number tens of thousands. Heck I even have a dweller who lives under my stairs that was one of the twenty somethings that went to college hoping for success and failed the good job part because of her looks. She has lived in my home rent free for about 6 years now and recovered enough financially she is now halfway to an RN degree where looks do not matter.

You're telling her she can get emancipated if she can get a job and move out.

How is that helpful when she has already said that her parents will not allow her to get a job? The law is not going to force them to let her get a job; the law is not going to force them to allow her to move out. Which is another thing you've told her she can do.

Nor is the law going to emancipate her EVEN IF she has a job, without parental permission.

NOTHING that she has posted suggests that her parents are in any way unfit. Based on HER OWN DESCRIPTIONS she is not a candidate for emancipation. EVEN IF she follows your oh-so-knowledgeable suggestions.

And if telling her the truth about her options and about your incorrect assumptions about what she can do makes me heartless, so be it.

You are telling her about options that do not exist. That is because you are a silly little girl who does not understand a quarter of what she's reading. And if you don't like my telling you that, it's just too darned bad. Sounds like someone should have said something similar to you long ago.

you probably made her commit suicide.. both of you. and dont tell me what tone im getting because you two clearly dont understand what im saying. youre the type of adults who think they know everything because theyve lived longer.

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and, by them taking her off medications, that as well is immediate removal.

No one can make anyone commit suicide. That is a personal choice. You're not going to be able to shame me with that. That you think you can is proof of how young you are.

I understand completely what you're saying. You're the one who doesn't understand how the law works. You particularly do not understand what constitutes immediate removal.

But it doesn't matter because if you continue to give out incorrect information, and particularly if you continue to do it as rudely as you've been, the moderator will suspend your privileges.

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you probably made her commit suicide.. both of you. and dont tell me what tone im getting because you two clearly dont understand what im saying. youre the type of adults who think they know everything because theyve lived longer.

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and, by them taking her off medications, that as well is immediate removal.

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You really are a vile little thing, aren't you?

Let me spell it out:

If a minor is talking about or attempts suicide, that simply proves that the minor needs more - not less - supervision.

Understand?

she said she was suicidal, and you made rude comments to her. the moderator wont suspend my privileges, the first amendment sweetheart. but honestly, if its only illiterate, heartless, immature, people like you on here, then im more than happy to get suspended because this is a website for people who like to make others feel small in order to make themselves feel big which is cyber bullying.

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and the state would give that to her if her parents arent. understand?

And she doesn't understand the First Amendment, either.

freedom of speech, sweet pea. i can say as i please.

this forum is privately owned, so freedom of speech cannot be enforced here, its only up to the owners of this site to allow what they see fit

The First Amendment says that the GOVERNMENT cannot, with limited exceptions, control or limit your speech. It says nothing about privately owned internet forums. You can say what you please, but not without consequences. One of those consequences is a meeting with the Ban Hammer.