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  • 11-15-2014, 10:24 AM
    bluecollaraddict
    Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    My question involves landlord-tenant law in the State of: Michigan

    My landlord sent a list of damages to my apartment (kind of). I sent my dispute of damages within 7 days (via certified mail) to the address listed for him on my lease. However, the letter was not delivered because the address on the lease is not his correct address. Should I just send another to his correct address? Am I at fault for not getting it to him within 7 days? It has now been 45 days since my move out date, and I have not received my deposit back. Under Michigan law, I should be able to sue for double the amount, provided I followed all laws preceding, including returning a dispute of damages within 7 days. But since he never received my dispute (through an error on HIS part) should I just resend to his correct address, or just file a small claims case now?
  • 11-15-2014, 10:39 AM
    jk
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    Did you send it to the address he provided to you to contact him? If so you fulfilled your requirements as far as that goes.

    Did you provide him with a proper new address for yourself?
  • 11-15-2014, 03:59 PM
    bluecollaraddict
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    Yes, I provided him with my new address when I gave my move-out notice. The only address ever provided to me is the one on the lease, which is apparently wrong. I did notice after my letter was returned that his return address when he sent me the notice of damages was different than the address on the lease, but I feel like I shouldn't really be expected to notice that difference. I guess my question now is, since the 7 days I'm allowed to respond has long since passed, should I go ahead and resend my dispute? Would this show a good-faith effort being made on my part if and when it goes to court? Or should I just go ahead and file a small claims case on the basis that I have no way to contact him to dispute his charges?
  • 11-15-2014, 04:10 PM
    jk
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    Michigan has some very specific requirements regarding these issues. I will have to research it a bit so I can be accurate but cannot do it at the moment but if nobody else picks this up, I will get back to it soon.
  • 11-15-2014, 04:30 PM
    bluecollaraddict
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    Thank you, jk. I might also mention that I did not receive an itemized list of damages, just a list of numbers and some photocopied receipts. Also it seems that I was charged $400 to replace an interior closet door--I found the same door at lowe's website for $30. There are several things fishy about this LL.
    Here's one of the laws I've found--just have questions about interpretation.

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...me=mcl-554-609

    He also did not included the "you have 7 days to respond" clause anywhere, but I wonder if a judge would see that as nitpicking. Thanks for the help.
  • 11-15-2014, 04:53 PM
    jk
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    that is one of the statutes I was speaking that has specific language required.

    Quote:

    The notice of damages shall include the following statement in 12 point boldface type which shall be at least 4 points larger than the body of the notice: “You must respond to this notice by mail within 7 days after receipt of same, otherwise you will forfeit the amount claimed for damages



    so by that alone he loses a right to claim any damages. I like the part about it must be in 12 pt boldface type and that must be at least 4 points larger than the body of the notice.



    any judge who would see that as nitpicking should not be a judge. That is a very specific element of the law and is there for a reason. The fact they legislature felt it must be so noticeable that is in larger and boldface type, they mean what it says.

    there is more that needs to be discovered in other statutes as well

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    Quote:

    554.603 Security deposit; notice.Sec. 3.
    A landlord shall not require a security deposit unless he notifies the tenant no later than 14 days from the date a tenant assumes possession in a written instrument of the landlord's name and address for receipt of communications under this act, the name and address of the financial institution or surety required by section 4 and the tenant's obligation to provide in writing a forwarding mailing address to the landlord within 4 days after termination of occupancy. The notice shall include the following statement in 12 point boldface type which is at least 4 points larger than the body of the notice or lease agreement: “You must notify your landlord in writing within 4 days after you move of a forwarding address where you can be reached and where you will receive mail; otherwise your landlord shall be relieved of sending you an itemized list of damages and the penalties adherent to that failure.” Failure to provide the information relieves the tenant of his obligation relative to notification of the landlord of his forwarding mailing address.


    were you given proper notice at the onset of the lease, including the part about your requirement to provide a valid forwarding address within 4 days after termination of occupancy?

    and did you provide that address within the 4 days?
  • 11-15-2014, 05:20 PM
    bluecollaraddict
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    I gave my landlord my forwarding address when I gave him my notice to vacate, which was sent in writing 30 days before me move out date. Does that count? He obviously had my address, since he sent me the list of damages.
  • 11-15-2014, 05:55 PM
    jk
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    yes it does. The law requires you provide it within 4 days after the termination of occupancy. That is the date you effectively moved out. If it was included in your notice it was more than adequate.

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    regarding the landlord's address; from a previously cited statute:

    Quote:

    A landlord shall not require a security deposit unless he notifies the tenant no later than 14 days from the date a tenant assumes possession in a written instrument of the landlord's name and address for receipt of communications under this act

    and another section:

    Quote:

    554.612 Response to notice of damages.Sec. 12.
    If a landlord claims damages to a rental unit and gives notice of damages as required, the tenant upon receipt of the list of damages shall respond by ordinary mail to the address provided by the landlord as required by section 3 within 7 days, indicating in detail his agreement or disagreement to the damage charges listed. For the purposes of this section the date of mailing shall be considered the date of the tenant's response.


    I would argue that if the landlord did not give actual notice of a change of address, then the address you were required to respond to was the one on the lease. In the notice, did it specify you were to reply to the address contained in the notice?
  • 11-15-2014, 06:44 PM
    bluecollaraddict
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    The notice of damages had no address. It was literally just a series of charges with no description, like so:

    $625.00
    -29.18
    -40.90
    -412.94
    .... and so on. Al hand-written. Then wrote "Please send ck" at the bottom. He also included photocopied receipts. And that's it. No address in the list of damages. I would argue that this doesn't even constitute a "list of itemized damages". Looking through my paperwork, I just now noticed that the addendum concerning my security deposit DOES have his correct address... :/ On my actual lease, the street number is 257, but on the security deposit addendum it is 251. When I mailed my dispute of damages letter, I used the 257 address from the lease. So hmmm... now I wonder if that will come back to bite me. Still, it isn't exactly crystal clear. And there's still the issue of no itemized list of damages, and no clause about responding within 7 days.
    So, should I just resend the dispute to the correct address and hope that a judge will recognize this as confusion caused by the LL? He is supposed to file a court case within 45 days after I move out, which is actually today. After that time, I must take HIM to court, for up to double the amount. But if he doesn't receive my dispute within 7 days, the law says I cannot dispute it. So I'm just wondering what is the best course to take from here. Resend it, then wait for him to file a case? Or should I just file a case against him right now?
  • 11-15-2014, 06:50 PM
    jk
    Re: Landlord Had Incorrect Address when I Sent a Dispute of Charges
    do you believe there is anything actually owed you? It sounds like the damages claimed far exceed the deposit held by the landlord.
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