Depending on how strict the judge and DA is,with a lawyer you might be able to get this reduced to trespassing. Which is a violation and not a crime in new York. If you can't afford a lawyer,maybe you can get a legal aide. I think even if they give you a misdemeanor,you got a good chance at getting probation or community service. It could be a long shot but maybe a lawyer can get it dropped down to disorderly conduct. Disorderly conduct sounds better and it's violation. If the charge can get reduced to a violation,you record can sealed.
It's not like you climbed thru a window when the school was closed or something. A lawyer gonna cost more then $600,if they can resolve it in one appearance then maybe $1000. Most likely a lawyer gonna cost 1500 plus,the lawyer should be able to resolve this in 3 or less court appearances.
Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
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09-24-2014, 11:19 PMtc498Re: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
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09-25-2014, 05:55 AMMr. KnowitallRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a SchoolHe merely implied that you were to leave and never come back?Quote:
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So his statement to the officer that arrested you was, "I told this guy to leave and never come back," and he later provided the statement to the prosecutor in support of the case against you, "I told this guy to leave and never come back"?Quote:
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If you're certain that's what he meant, it was clear enough. So why didn't you leave and not come back?Quote:
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If those are the statements that led you to conclude, "I'm sure he meant for me to stop and not come back", I think the issue is far less that he has a bad memory and far more that you have a selective memory.Quote:
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I'm not going to try to armchair diagnose an underlying condition, but you may benefit from counseling.Quote:
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Right. You were arrested for trespassing, after staying on or returning to school grounds after being told by a school employee to leave and never come back.Quote:
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As you have been told, there's a criminal trespassing statute that applies under the facts as stated. Your suggestion of a stupid line of inquiry won't help, nor will your fantasy notion that you he could have a female friend videotape gymnasts and make that his defense.Quote:
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09-25-2014, 06:08 AMsupreme999Re: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
Yeah I'm going to file the paperwork needed for lawyer today. I really hope you're right tc498. I mean all I can say is this was a huge wake up call. I just hope it's not too late for my record. But I don't know. Mr. Knowitall it wasn't implied exactly. He was on the fence about it but than decided I could continue. What I was sure of, is that he probably didn't want me doing it again in a way that made the girls uncomfortable, aka holding camera for long video recordings, like 5-10 minutes type thing. But if I took some quick shots or videos, I don't think he would care that much. Of course you can say that why would any coach want someone not affiliated with the school to take videos or pictures. So that's why I mean't that even though he allowed me to continue, I'm sure he didn't want me to continue, but it's not 100% implied. Whole thing is dumb though lol. A guy says I can continue but it's supposed to be implied that he asked me to stop and not return. Interesting.
Thing is I keep thinking the lawyers and judges and principal might not know if I'm going to change. They might give me a tough sentence to teach me a lesson. But it would be pointless since I already learned the lesson. I mean seriously, no one ever wants a criminal record, it can ruin chances of getting good jobs. I really need to find a way to convey that to the prosecutor or the judge. I know ppl will say why didn't you realize all this sooner. All I can say is sometimes you convince yourself that the risk isn't that big because if you do this or you do that but it's all a bunch of bs. Any risk that means jail time is always a huge mistake no matter what you tell yourself.
Anyways like I said the cops told me the principal pressed charges, but the paper I got shows the lieutenant filed charges in his name. So it's basically the principal who decided to do that. The order of protection said to refrain from all contact with students of the school. It didn't say I can't email the principal or anything. Why can't I email her and say I'm sorry and the reasons why I know it won't happen again. And to see if she could push for the charges to be dropped or to be reduced to non-criminal charge. If she doesn't respond or says no, oh well, at least I tried. I know ppl are gonna replay with "shutup, stop talking, only talk to your lawyer." But what is the harm with apologizing. It's not like I'm harassing her if I send 1 email. Email is probably better than a phone call, she could always ignore the email. And I'm not going to incriminate myself in the email. I'd proofread it a zillion times to make sure of that. -
09-25-2014, 06:12 AMcbgRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
You haven't learned a thing.
You went back to the school because you persuaded yourself that it wasn't a big deal. After all, no one actually SAID, Don't come back.
But it WAS a big deal.
Now you've persuaded yourself that it's not a big deal if you email the principal. After all, the legal document prohibiting you from making contact with students at the school didn't SAY that you couldn't contact the principal.
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09-25-2014, 06:20 AMsupreme999Re: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
Yes I have learned a thing. That's why I'm asking on here and also why I would contact my lawyer or the police for answers before emailing. You are right though that I was still persuading myself that it's not a big deal to email. I really gotta be more careful with downplaying risks. The judge did mention when he handed me the order of protection papers, that he gave an order of protection to another person recently and not long after they violated it and they're are sitting in a jail cell right now.
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09-25-2014, 06:21 AMcbgRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
If you'd really learned it seriously, you wouldn't even be suggesting that you contact the principal. You may have learned that it's not okay to go to the school, but if you understood WHY, you'd also understand why you shouldn't be emailing the principal.
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09-25-2014, 06:28 AMMr. KnowitallRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a SchoolQuote:
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You have a great deal of difficulty maintaining a consistent story.Quote:
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Is your story going to be that, after the discussion with the coach and within his line of sight, you walked to the front of the gym and started filming shorter videos without any further objection?
It was clear enough when you were arrested and he stated that he had banned you from the premises.Quote:
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09-25-2014, 06:31 AMsupreme999Re: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
Yes I understand what you mean. Order of protection basically wants me to refrain from contact with the ppl at the school, and the principal is part of the school. Is that what you mean? Just hate the fact that the principal is probably thinking of me in the worst kind of way, and she also doesn't understand how this is going to effect my mom and other ppl, my pets etc. And I know ppl are going to say, it's not the principal's fault, it's your fault. Ya ya ya, just saying.
That is true. I stayed where I was after talking to him and I filmed a couple of shorter videos even though he saw me, and he didn't say anything to me for another 30 min or so. And I left. Too bad I deleted all the videos or I'd have proof. I had clip of him coming up to me. and clip of me recording with him in the background later on.Quote:
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09-25-2014, 06:52 AMcbgRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a School
Yes, that is exactly what I mean. And I'm sure the principal, and everyone else involves, understands exactly how it will affect your family if you are made to take the consequences for your own behavior, but how it will affect others has never been a valid reason to allow someone who commits an offense to escape retribution for it.
Just out of curiosity what if I emailed principal with one of my parent's email addresses and pretended I was him/her and just say "my son downlplayed the risks yada yada, now he knows better, he said he deleted all his previous recordings etc and we double checked to make sure."
No. No. No. No. No.
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09-25-2014, 06:53 AMllworkingRe: Charged with Criminal Trespassing at a SchoolThe more I read what you post, the more convinced I am that you are in serious need of therapy.Quote:
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