Can You Use Marijuana on Probation if Forbidden by the Court and Probation Officer

My question involves criminal law for the state of: California

im on probation in California for another yr.&1/2 it is a condition of my probation not to use illegal drugs. I submitted my dr. recommendation for cannabis to my po and she told me I need to seek a sentence modification from a judge . so I put myself on calendar,saw judge, and presented my rec. he denied it and said I need a rec from my primary care physician along with a letter from that physician stating that ive tried every other option for the treatment of my conditions and this is the only one that helps. he will not accept my recommendation from a "cannabis doctor". ive asked 2 different p.c.p.'s and they said theres no way they will write me a rec.they will give me prescriptions for other drugs such as trama-dol or vicodin or others. I don't want to be strung out on prescription drugs and screw up my liver. and besides that they don't work all that well with out leaving me incapacitated and unable to work much of the time. if the "cannabis dr." who wrote me the rec is licensed in the state of ca to practice isn't this all I need? how can the judge say this? is this lawful to do? can i appeal his decision?do I have any options? what can you recommend and what are my patients rights? please help. thank you

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if the "cannabis dr." who wrote me the rec is licensed in the state of ca to practice isn't this all I need?

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well, apparently not since the judge said he will not accept the recommendation. If you want to challenge it, the only thing you can do is smoke your weed and when caught, spend a lot of money to argue there is no reason the judge can deny you your medical weed as it was recommended by a real doctor.

you will likely be fighting it from inside the jail though since it is a probation violation but hey, I say go for it.



while I am not a weed proponent as a huge percentage of medical weed users do not really need much of any medical treatment and use the medical use as a way to get high legally, I do see using it in place of the drugs mentioned as a reasonable reason.

hang on to see if CDWJava responds soon. He is a cop in California and is pretty good on the status of the issue in California currently.

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if the "cannabis dr." who wrote me the rec is licensed in the state of ca to practice isn't this all I need?

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Do you already have a medical marijuana card? If not, it's going to be quite a fight, and I'm not confident you'll prevail.

Read all of this.

thanks for your 2 cents jk, but im not trying to break or test the laws. I just want to know what are my legal rights as a patient and a citizen. if the judge can "discriminate" against doctors and legally has the right to do so then im not about to challenge that. the reason I ask is bcuz when I was on ca parole 3-4 yrs.ago my po said "go ahead, smoke away as long as you have a dr.rec." I now find it strange that probation doesn't say the same and makes me jump through hoops that are too small to even fit through. is it impossible to get a "primary care physician" to write me a recommendation? I do have legitimate reasons for wanting to choose the medications I will or wont use.

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Quoting rasta-al

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thanks for your 2 cents jk, but im not trying to break or test the laws. I just want to know what are my legal rights as a patient and a citizen. if the judge can "discriminate" against doctors and legally has the right to do so then im not about to challenge that. the reason I ask is bcuz when I was on ca parole 3-4 yrs.ago my po said "go ahead, smoke away as long as you have a dr.rec." I now find it strange that probation doesn't say the same and makes me jump through hoops that are too small to even fit through. is it impossible to get a "primary care physician" to write me a recommendation? I do have legitimate reasons for wanting to choose the medications I will or wont use.

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Health and Safety Code Section 11362.795

(a) (1) Any criminal defendant who is eligible to use marijuana pursuant to Section 11362.5 may request that the court confirm that he or she is allowed to use medical marijuana while he or she is on probation or released on bail. (2) The court's decision and the reasons for the decision shall be stated on the record and an entry stating those reasons shall be made in the minutes of the court. (3) During the period of probation or release on bail, if a physician recommends that the probationer or defendant use medical marijuana, the probationer or defendant may request a modification of the conditions of probation or bail to authorize the use of medical marijuana. (4) The court's consideration of the modification request authorized by this subdivision shall comply with the requirements of this section.

(b) (1) Any person who is to be released on parole from a jail, state prison, school, road camp, or other state or local institution of confinement and who is eligible to use medical marijuana pursuant to Section 11362.5 may request that he or she be allowed to use medical marijuana during the period he or she is released on parole. A parolee's written conditions of parole shall reflect whether or not a request for a modification of the conditions of his or her parole to use medical marijuana was made, and whether the request was granted or denied. (2) During the period of the parole, where a physician recommends that the parolee use medical marijuana, the parolee may request a modification of the conditions of the parole to authorize the use of medical marijuana. (3) Any parolee whose request to use medical marijuana while on parole was denied may pursue an administrative appeal of the decision. Any decision on the appeal shall be in writing and shall reflect the reasons for the decision. (4) The administrative consideration of the modification request authorized by this subdivision shall comply with the requirements of this section.

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Judges "discriminate" all the time. It is their job.

thanks missy. to answer your question, I have had a doctor recommendation that expired in march 2014. but my po was testing me as a condition of my parole and told me to see the judge for a sentence mod. my case that im on probation for stems from a raid on my delivery service and comm.warehouse grow about 2 yrs.ago. I was put on "low risk" probation a few months ago and only report to a kiosk once a month. I no longer see a po or test. I asked my new po the same that I asked the previos and was told the same thing. I was also told that she doesn't "test her people unless they give her a reason to". therefore I am not required to test and it is at my po's discretion if she wants to test me. I told her my situation completely and she knows that I am in pain and understands my situation but still says she cant override the judges decision and approve my rec.. my wife doesn't accept that as a "validation" and doesn't think I should take the risk. I see it as an understanding from the po that she isn't going to violate me for using cannabis. so we agree to disagree but ive still decided to find another way to deal with the pain until something changes.

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Quoting rasta-al

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thanks for your 2 cents jk, but im not trying to break or test the laws.

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I understand that and that was not my point. My point was to challenge the ruling, you will likely have to be in a position that allows you to do that. In the law, most of the time, to file a challenge to a ruling or law, you must be in a "bad position". The courts tend to not allow challenges to rulings or law unless it directly affects you and the only way you can show it directly affects you is to be deemed in violation of the terms of your probation; e.i., in a bad position.

did you read missy's link? It provides a case which should support your use of marijuana but again, to utilize that, you will likely have to be in a situation of being charged with a probation violation. You can try to get another hearing in front of a judge and present that but if he does not change the terms and allow the use, again, until you are charged with a probation violation, you are where you are.

does the crime underlying the probation involve drugs? If so, a judge is not likely to loosen the rules on the marijuana use regardless what you show him.

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my case that im on probation for stems from a raid on my delivery service and comm.warehouse grow about 2 yrs.ago

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. I think your chances of getting the judge to change the restriction just went from slim to no way is it happening.

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therefore I am not required to test and it is at my po's discretion if she wants to test me.

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that would be incorrect. You are required to test. It is just that the po, currently, does not require you to submit to a test. If you meant you are not required to test per some schedule, you are apparently correct.

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I told her my situation completely and she knows that I am in pain and understands my situation but still says she cant override the judges decision and approve my rec.. my wife doesn't accept that as a "validation" and doesn't think I should take the risk. I see it as an understanding from the po that she isn't going to violate me for using cannabis. so we agree to disagree but ive still decided to find another way to deal with the pain until something changes.

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the po has a lot of discretion here. They can not violate you no matter what you do, even if the court order has some certain restriction. Just the same, if they do violate you, you have no defense such as; my po said it was ok. They are simply covering their backside.

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Quoting jk

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I understand that and that was not my point. My point was to challenge the ruling, you will likely have to be in a position that allows you to do that. In the law, most of the time, to file a challenge to a ruling or law, you must be in a "bad position". The courts tend to not allow challenges to rulings or law unless it directly affects you and the only way you can show it directly affects you is to be deemed in violation of the terms of your probation; e.i., in a bad position.

did you read missy's link? It provides a case which should support your use of marijuana but again, to utilize that, you will likely have to be in a situation of being charged with a probation violation. You can try to get another hearing in front of a judge and present that but if he does not change the terms and allow the use, again, until you are charged with a probation violation, you are where you are.

does the crime underlying the probation involve drugs? If so, a judge is not likely to loosen the rules on the marijuana use regardless what you show him.

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. I think your chances of getting the judge to change the restriction just went from slim to no way is it happening.



that would be incorrect. You are required to test. It is just that the po, currently, does not require you to submit to a test. If you meant you are not required to test per some schedule, you are apparently correct.

the po has a lot of discretion here. They can not violate you no matter what you do, even if the court order has some certain restriction. Just the same, if they do violate you, you have no defense such as; my po said it was ok. They are simply covering their backside.

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I kind of figured that the po was giving me the safe answer without putting her job in jeopardy. so essentially she is saying that she wont test me if I do ..?

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so am i correct that my po is basically saying that she is not interested in violating me for using cannabis, unless i give her another reason why she should..? My wife is still scared that i could get pulled over after leaving a dispensary and get locked up . i told her that the cops don't do that. but ifim pulled over and they know im on probation can they book me or call my po to let her know what im doing? and then its at her discretion if she wants to violate me or not?

it's up to her but since she made a point that she could not alter the terms of probation, even though she said she wouldn't test you unless there was a reason to, she won't so;

what is a reason in her mind to test you?


In my suspicious mind, you admitting to using marijuana in contrast to the probation rules might be a reason. It is obviously a violation of your probation and if she is diligent in her duties, that would be a reason to test you.

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she is not interested in violating me for using cannabis, unless i give her another reason why she should..? My wife is still scared that i could get pulled over after leaving a dispensary and get locked up . i told her that the cops don't do that.

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hang around for Carl (CDWJava) but I think you are wrong. If you were out after any curfew, don't you think they would pick you up? What would be the difference? If you are violating the rules (that you should have a copy of on you), what makes you think the cops won't pick you up?

well I kind of thought it was. but I spoke with her about all this a week ago and told her of my intentions to use cannabis and that I have a dr. rec. to do so. this was a day when I was supposed to report to kiosk probation within a 5 day period. I reported later that day and did not have a notice on the system to report in person to my po. I thought maybe the same thing but since she didn't make me report in person, and she seemed to understand the idea of not getting strung out on prescription meds and seemed to have some compassion for me and the predicament im in when I spoke with her on the phone I wonder if she really does have compassion..

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it's up to her but since she made a point that she could not alter the terms of probation, even though she said she wouldn't test you unless there was a reason to, she won't so;

what is a reason in her mind to test you?


In my suspicious mind, you admitting to using marijuana in contrast to the probation rules might be a reason. It is obviously a violation of your probation and if she is diligent in her duties, that would be a reason to test you.


hang around for Carl (CDWJava) but I think you are wrong. If you were out after any curfew, don't you think they would pick you up? What would be the difference? If you are violating the rules (that you should have a copy of on you), what makes you think the cops won't pick you up?

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well I see your point. I don't have a copy of my conditions of probation on me and don't carry one with me. I guess they might take me in depending on the cop..

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the judge did state that if I get a letter from my primary care physician stating what hes asked for, he will accept that as valid. but it seems like pcp's are not willing to write a rec. I cant see why its so difficult. is it just the pcps ive spoken with or is this normal for a pcp to not write a rec. for cannabis? do I have any chance at all at getting a sentence modification? do I just need to hop aroun from physician to physician until I find the right one, or is it a lost cause?

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I cant see why its so difficult. is it just the pcps ive spoken with or is this normal for a pcp to not write a rec. for cannabis? do I have any chance at all at getting a sentence modification? do I just need to hop aroun from physician to physician until I find the right one, or is it a lost cause?

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It will be very difficult to find a physician willing to go on record prescribing marijuana. It is still illegal under Federal law and they could lose their ability to prescribe meds if the DEA were to get wind of that. If they lose that, they might as well get out of the doctoring business.

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It will be very difficult to find a physician willing to go on record prescribing marijuana. It is still illegal under Federal law and they could lose their ability to prescribe meds if the DEA were to get wind of that. If they lose that, they might as well get out of the doctoring business.

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you do realize that it requires a doctor (as in licensed and all) to give a recommendation (not a prescription) for a person to use MM, right?

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you do realize that it requires a doctor (as in licensed and all) to give a recommendation (not a prescription) for a person to use MM, right?

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My comment was based on things Carl has said regarding the issue in the past. He has stated that he has never seen a doctor willing to appear in court and verify they have issued a recommendation. I do apologize for using the wrong term, it is a recommendation and not a scrip. Either way, if it is on record the doctor could be screwed. Any doctor doing so is risking their DEA license.

The problem with "cannabis" doctors is that they don't treat you for anything, you can literally walk into their office, plop some cash on the counter and walk out of there with a recommendation for any reason including a stubbed toe or painful split ends in your hair and EVERYONE knows it, INCLUDING the judges you find yourself in front of.

If you have a legitimate medical condition and you have tried every other traditional option available to you to no avail and cannabis is your only source of relief then your primary TREATING physician should have no problems attesting to that, AND giving you the medical documentation to prove it. Otherwise, know that most judges will see your cannabis recommendation as an excuse you want to prevent to get high because well... you just want to get high and say I can't get away with it.

Let me ask you this, how many times and how many different therapies did the cannabis doctor try BEFORE prescribing you weed?

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Either way, if it is on record the doctor could be screwed. Any doctor doing so is risking their DEA license.

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but it requires a REAL doctor to write the rec. A doctor that went to med school and passed the required state exams and all and was issued a license to practice medicine.

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but it requires a REAL doctor to write the rec. A doctor that went to med school and passed the required state exams and all and was issued a license to practice medicine.

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What is your point? I've not argued that these are fake doctors. I'm just pointing out why a doctor might be hesitant to go beyond a recommendation by going on record in court.

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What is your point? I've not argued that these are fake doctors. I'm just pointing out why a doctor might be hesitant to go beyond a recommendation by going on record in court.

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you keep pointing out this:

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Either way, if it is on record the doctor could be screwed. Any doctor doing so is risking their DEA license.

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apparently the real doctors that write the recs do not have this concern. Only now are you saying anything about a doc being hesitant about making such a statement in court.

by writing the rec, they are on record.

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you keep pointing out this:

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Either way, if it is on record the doctor could be screwed. Any doctor doing so is risking their DEA license.

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And what does that have to do with you talking about real doctors? It's my understanding a lot of "cannibis" doctors are in fact real doctors.

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apparently the real doctors that write the recs do not have this concern. Only now are you saying anything about a doc being hesitant about making such a statement in court.

by writing the rec, they are on record.

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I apologize for not being clearer, I was always talking about in court.

I'm glad they aren't concerned. Bully for them.

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It's my understanding a lot of "cannibis" doctors are in fact real doctors.
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they are all real doctors. that is my point.

but enough. I give.

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so am i correct that my po is basically saying that she is not interested in violating me for using cannabis, unless i give her another reason why she should..?

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Your probation officer may not choose to violate you, but that doesn't mean a peace officer who stops you would not. The officer may not care that your PO has allegedly given you a pass.

If you want to get a free pass from the police, go out and get the state-issued DHS card and NOT simply a recommendation. The problem with the recommendations is that the doctors that issue them almost never will go on record to say that they have seen you and that they have recommended marijuana to you as a qualified MM patient. In my county the DA has zero percent compliance with these requests from a doctor. So, if a judge is not buying your recommendation, it is likely because the recommendation cannot be confirmed. get a doc willing to go on record with the court as being your doctor and having recommended MM to you, then you might stand a chance. Otherwise, the recommendation could just as well have been printed from your home computer as by a doctor.

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My wife is still scared that i could get pulled over after leaving a dispensary and get locked up . i told her that the cops don't do that. but ifim pulled over and they know im on probation can they book me or call my po to let her know what im doing?

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They might book you for a violation of probation if you are in possession, and almost certainly will if you are driving and have been smoking it. They do not have to call your PO first, and likely will not. In such a case you might sit in jail until the Probation Department communicates to the DA that they will not be seeking a VOP.

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My comment was based on things Carl has said regarding the issue in the past. He has stated that he has never seen a doctor willing to appear in court and verify they have issued a recommendation. I do apologize for using the wrong term, it is a recommendation and not a scrip. Either way, if it is on record the doctor could be screwed. Any doctor doing so is risking their DEA license.

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Anyone with a home computer can make up a recommendation that looks god and can give it a name of even a real doctor. Heck, if you want to go the extra mile, buy a burn phone, put a voicemail on it that says you have reached the medical marijuana verification line for Dr. Feelgood, and go into a well-sounding monologue on the patient that has been issued the recommendation has, indeed, been seen by you and has a qualifying medical condition.

Since these recommendations cannot be verified absent the testimony of the issuing doctor, they are almost worthless on their own. This is likely why many courts are not willing to accept them.

And the law says that the court must "consider" a recommendation for MM, not that they must allow it.

I'm not piping in for the sake of piping in, but I have a dear, dear friend who is a MM patient in California.

Now, I'm not commenting on the need issue, but it takes little more than a walk in, a statement of what's wrong and bingo - you have a card. It's easier than buying liquor.

I live in WA (doh) where despite it being against Federal law, it is soon to be readily available for personal use as well as medical. Make of that what you will.

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I'm not piping in for the sake of piping in, but I have a dear, dear friend who is a MM patient in California.

Now, I'm not commenting on the need issue, but it takes little more than a walk in, a statement of what's wrong and bingo - you have a card. It's easier than buying liquor.

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For the most part, yes. But, to be clear, the "recommendation" is not the same thing as the state-issued DHS card. We try not to use the term "card" when referring to the recommendations because these recs have a different legal standing than the virtual "get out of jail" cards that are the DHS cards.

my apologies to freeman. While a doctor writing a rec is "being on record", if they lie and deny they actually wrote it, I can see where the situation would allow the doctor to hide from "being on record". I put more into the writing the rec than apparently the state of California does.


I see that as a huge problem though. If a doctor signs a rec, as a licensed doctor, denying the signature is unethical, if nothing else. I can see where denying it could result in an action against the doctor by the patient should they deny writing it with that resulting in a negative action on the patient.


Sounds like California needs to either demand their doctors stand behind their recommendations or stop using that as a means to be allowed to use medical marijuana.

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For the most part, yes. But, to be clear, the "recommendation" is not the same thing as the state-issued DHS card. We try not to use the term "card" when referring to the recommendations because these recs have a different legal standing than the virtual "get out of jail" cards that are the DHS cards.

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In all honesty Carl, I have no idea how it works. Even though it's "sorta legal but not" here, I still don't know how it works.

But I do appreciate your clarification, hugely!

It's not that they deny it, they simply tend not to affirm that they issued the recommendation. I imagine some do, but not many.

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It's not that they deny it, they simply tend not to affirm that they issued the recommendation. I imagine some do, but not many.

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in the end, it's it's a tuber.

If the doc will not affirm his issuance of the rec, while I have an issue with the ethics involved and possibly the legality of their actions, it makes the rec undependable and generally worthless as you have stated.

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The problem with "cannabis" doctors is that they don't treat you for anything, you can literally walk into their office, plop some cash on the counter and walk out of there with a recommendation for any reason including a stubbed toe or painful split ends in your hair and EVERYONE knows it, INCLUDING the judges you find yourself in front of.

If you have a legitimate medical condition and you have tried every other traditional option available to you to no avail and cannabis is your only source of relief then your primary TREATING physician should have no problems attesting to that, AND giving you the medical documentation to prove it. Otherwise, know that most judges will see your cannabis recommendation as an excuse you want to prevent to get high because well... you just want to get high and say I can't get away with it.

Let me ask you this, how many times and how many different therapies did the cannabis doctor try BEFORE prescribing you weed?

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well my 'cannabis' dr. has not prescribed any other meds . however I have recently been prescribed trama-dol by my primary care physician which doesn't work and a few years back I had tried numerous other types of prescription pain killers that don't do a damn thing, or have harsh side effects and prevent me from working much of the time. i hate to start testing pain killers and hurting my liver and making it difficult to perform normal daily functions and potentially become addicted to. but if that's the hoops i gotta jump through to get the medication that will help me then i guess i will. so do you think that if i test all the alternatives, show the scripts to my 'cannabis' dr. (who will appear in court on my behalf if need be) and have him write a letter as my primary TREATING physician addressing the judge and telling him that ive tried all other treatments to no avail, the judge will be inclined to accept this as valid and allow me to medicate as i choose?

You sounds ridiculous and like you're making excuses. Many people on this forum know I suffer from lupus and it leaves me in DEBILITATING pain also daily. You're right, tramadol is pretty useless. However I do take a narcotic pain reliever almost daily and my liver is fine, I worked every day and I'm far from strung out. No, the judge isn't going to allow you to get high.

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You sounds ridiculous and like you're making excuses. Many people on this forum know I suffer from lupus and it leaves me in DEBILITATING pain also daily. You're right, tramadol is pretty useless. However I do take a narcotic pain reliever almost daily and my liver is fine, I worked every day and I'm far from strung out. No, the judge isn't going to allow you to get high.

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you know that your liver hasn't suffered? and as of yet maybe that's true.. its not making excuses. its about knowing what works for me and what is safe for my body. any physician will tell you that long term exposure to most all prescription meds has been proven to have side effects and be harmful to liver or other funtions.. how is it that you can deny that. so maybe you are not strung out. that doesn't mean the potential isn't there. I have a step son who got strung out on prescription pain killer meds. the addictive properties are far worse than cannabis not to mention withdrawal syptoms. I understand if you've been conditioned to think cannabis is so evil as has much of the rest of the country and maybe world for so many years, but independent studies show many beneficial properties of cannabis with minimal side effects and addictive properties. im not just a stoner looking to get hi. I suffer from ptsd, migraines, chronic back pain, and also have developed a lump on my back which im going to a dr. in the near future to get tested and hoping its not cancerous since cancer does run in my family and my grandfather passed 2 yrs. ago due to complications from cancer. cannabis has proven in studies to shrink cancerous growths and in some cases eliminate them completely. you should really do a little more research before throwing out comments like that. maybe you don't realize that it is in the interest of our govt. and maybe others to have certain control over the population and cancer is just a part of that. if your life is shortened by cancer that they don't provide a cure for then its a "anonymous" form of population control. theres so much risk for cancer in our environments that to regularly have a beneficial compound in ones system constantly on guard and protecting the body from harmful invaders is a good thing.. open your eyes

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cannabis has proven in studies to shrink cancerous growths and in some cases eliminate them completely.

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please provide some data from reputable sources to support this

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I suffer from ptsd, migraines, chronic back pain, and also have developed a lump on my back

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and these are why you smoke? PTSD/ there is treatment, migraines, there is medicine, beyong pain killers to treat them, back pain; what from

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which im going to a dr. in the near future to get tested and hoping its not cancerous since cancer does run in my family and my grandfather passed 2 yrs. ago due to complications from cancer.

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there are hundreds of types of cancer. which one runs in your family?

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you should really do a little more research before throwing out comments like that. maybe you don't realize that it is in the interest of our govt. and maybe others to have certain control over the population and cancer is just a part of that. if your life is shortened by cancer that they don't provide a cure for then its a "anonymous" form of population control. theres so much risk for cancer in our environments that to regularly have a beneficial compound in ones system constantly on guard and protecting the body from harmful invaders is a good thing.. open your eyes

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whoops!! now we jumped off the deep end. Sorry but the government has a much better plan to limit the population and on top of that, it typically spurs the economy into high gear as well. It's called WAR. Cancer is such a slow means to kill a lot of people. Start a war and you can kill more people much faster.

Yes I know because I have a complete liver function test done several times a year...by a LEGIT physician.

That, and I'm not a criminal

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please provide some data from reputable sources to support this

Private studies are not considered reputable by the mainstream, and the government and fda wont sanction studies. why would they want to lend credibility to a drug that is impossible to patent and practically free to produce when they can make millions or billions off of all their prescription meds that they push on people. so like I said, there are PRIVATE STUDIES that have been done. its rather simple to find the info on google or you tube by doing cannabis/cancer related searches.

and these are why you smoke? PTSD/ there is treatment, migraines, there is medicine, beyong pain killers to treat them, back pain; what from

I don't actually smoke becuz "smoke" contains carcinogens, even cannabis smoke(though less than tobacco, which by the way, is legal..go figure) I only vaporize or ingest orally. these are safe effective methods. im sure there are medications and treatments for all my ailments, but as safe and effective as cannabis, I don't believe so.. the limited side effects, relative harmlessness and numerous benefits of cannabis are clear. so you're saying I should see a psychiatrist or therapist for ptsd, take a few different types of pills for my migraines & back pain ( which as much as you may deny , any doctor will tell you ARE harmful to the body) instead of taking one natural medicinal herb from the earth that has little to none of the side effects from long term exposure and is effective for all my symptoms?



there are hundreds of types of cancer. which one runs in your family?

a few and im not about to get into the minor details , cannabis has proven to kill many different types of cancer without the extremely harmful effects of conventional, government funded methods. doesn't that warrant more detailed research from a govt. that wants to cure it? I would think so.


whoops!! now we jumped off the deep end. Sorry but the government has a much better plan to limit the population and on top of that, it typically spurs the economy into high gear as well. It's called WAR. Cancer is such a slow means to kill a lot of people. Start a war and you can kill more people much faster.

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theres only so much war a govt. can engage in before the citizens revolt and wont put up with it anymore. you make it sound like so easy, you just start a war.. cancer spurs the economy also because people will spend their life savings trying to kill cancer and still will die early from it. like I said its a part of, only one of the tools the govt. uses to control a population and keep them living in fear. you are correct there are others such as war.. prohibition of cannabis is a war in itself

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Yes I know because I have a complete liver function test done several times a year...by a LEGIT physician.

That, and I'm not a criminal

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criminal is a relative term. there was a time when you would have been a criminal for having an alcoholic beverage and you cant tell me you have never had a drink or for being gay or having an abortion. today it is a socially acceptable thing no matter how much death and destruction it ultimately causes. the hypocrisy is ridiculous. cannabis has been labeled and become a scapegoat for many of the larger issues in society.

so where is that reputable support for the statement that MJ cures cancer?

*******weirdo alert*******

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hell, my whacko alarm went off long ago.

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so where is that reputable support for the statement that MJ cures cancer?

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?t...inoid%20cancer

The answer is not known yet in vivo. In vitro, results are promising.

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you know that your liver hasn't suffered? and as of yet maybe that's true.. its not making excuses. its about knowing what works for me and what is safe for my body. any physician will tell you that long term exposure to most all prescription meds has been proven to have side effects and be harmful to liver or other funtions.. how is it that you can deny that. so maybe you are not strung out. that doesn't mean the potential isn't there. I have a step son who got strung out on prescription pain killer meds. the addictive properties are far worse than cannabis not to mention withdrawal syptoms. I understand if you've been conditioned to think cannabis is so evil as has much of the rest of the country and maybe world for so many years, but independent studies show many beneficial properties of cannabis with minimal side effects and addictive properties. im not just a stoner looking to get hi. I suffer from ptsd, migraines, chronic back pain, and also have developed a lump on my back which im going to a dr. in the near future to get tested and hoping its not cancerous since cancer does run in my family and my grandfather passed 2 yrs. ago due to complications from cancer. cannabis has proven in studies to shrink cancerous growths and in some cases eliminate them completely. you should really do a little more research before throwing out comments like that. maybe you don't realize that it is in the interest of our govt. and maybe others to have certain control over the population and cancer is just a part of that. if your life is shortened by cancer that they don't provide a cure for then its a "anonymous" form of population control. theres so much risk for cancer in our environments that to regularly have a beneficial compound in ones system constantly on guard and protecting the body from harmful invaders is a good thing.. open your eyes

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Okay stop right there.

You don't know what you're taking about, but in the words of Richard Sherman, "you gone learn" today.

Start here - it's simplified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_metabolism

If you need it simplified further, go to www.howstuffworks.com. Or buy one of the "Dummies" books.

Now, I want you to give me something to back up your (frankly idiotic) claims about drugs, cancer and what not.

I've just gotten home from my latest hospital visit, so I've got some time.

Oh, and abovetopsecret doesn't count - unless you're talking about glen's work.

So. Give me some proof.

I'll wait.

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Do you actually know what cancer is? Really? Let me put it another way. Cancer will never, ever be eradicated. Do you know why I say that?

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thanks. Ive seen all types of info regarding cannabis&cancer one good documentary that can be found on youtube is called RICK SIMPSON : RUN FROM THE CURE it documents the trials of numerous people who have used cannabis to cure or treat certain diseases and cancers. its kind of an old film but it tells what happens to real people who have gone out on a limb so to speak and tried a non conventional method of healing.. the people in this movie aren't teen age stoner college kids getting high. anyways, believe it or don't, im not here to argue about it. but its something I personally stand behind. and apparently many people do for many reasons. in fact a recent poll showed 58 percent of CA citizens in favor of legalization of cannabis for recreational use like Colorado has done. it seems rather successful, not to mention the tax dollars coming in from it.. to each his own though

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thanks. Ive seen all types of info regarding cannabis&cancer one good documentary that can be found on youtube is called RICK SIMPSON : RUN FROM THE CURE it documents the trials of numerous people who have used cannabis to cure or treat certain diseases and cancers. its kind of an old film but it tells what happens to real people who have gone out on a limb so to speak and tried a non conventional method of healing.. the people in this movie aren't teen age stoner college kids getting high. anyways, believe it or don't, im not here to argue about it. but its something I personally stand behind. and apparently many people do for many reasons. in fact a recent poll showed 58 percent of CA citizens in favor of legalization of cannabis for recreational use like Colorado has done. it seems rather successful, not to mention the tax dollars coming in from it.. to each his own though

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Oh good Lord above.

Rick Simpson. David Icke. You'll be telling me next that Kevin Trudeau wasn't a scam artist.

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thanks. Ive seen all types of info regarding cannabis&cancer one good documentary that can be found on youtube is called RICK SIMPSON : RUN FROM THE CURE it documents the trials of numerous people who have used cannabis to cure or treat certain diseases and cancers. its kind of an old film but it tells what happens to real people who have gone out on a limb so to speak and tried a non conventional method of healing.. the people in this movie aren't teen age stoner college kids getting high. anyways, believe it or don't, im not here to argue about it. but its something I personally stand behind. and apparently many people do for many reasons. in fact a recent poll showed 58 percent of CA citizens in favor of legalization of cannabis for recreational use like Colorado has done. it seems rather successful, not to mention the tax dollars coming in from it.. to each his own though

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Anecdotal evidence is not that useful in dealing with cancer. Some cancers will resolve themselves. One of the risks of early screening like whole body scans is not only the risk from the test itself, but also from the risk of over treatment. There are numerous small growths found that turn out to be "cancer" that are far in excess of the percentage of the population that comes down with the disease. There are three possibilities. Cancer incidence is increasing markedly, those who get the screenings happen to be self selecting for cancer, or our body fights cancer on its own. Since we do not find the overall population being diagnosed with cancer to the level shown in the screenings, that is not probably the answer. As to the self selection, there have been some studies to remove the potential bias by random selection and the results are similar so it is probably not that either. It seems our immune system and other natural systems fight some of the growths as well.

Each of those people who had macro disease that resolved itself can claim something they did or did not do cured it. Marijuana, yoga, colonics, coffee enemas could all be said to "cure" cancer in some instances. I am encouraged about the studies regarding marijuana as medicine including in regards to cancer. But, we are far past the point where a guy using it and saying it works counts as evidence or should even be a part of the conversation.