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  • 02-26-2014, 11:52 PM
    BrianGC
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
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    Well, since you're so brilliant (I'm lying to prove a point) then why don't you offer the OP a way out?

    What you perceive as negative is only a reflection of your outlook on your existence. I am not being negative, just being real. Something that you obviously fail at miserably every day and hence, your need to resort to living the lie that you live!

    You would not understand if I explained it to you... You've already made it clear that you are beyond a level of comprehension of a human being. Case ion point, you ask the OP for "amber time" claiming it should be 3.2 seconds or higher. He returns to tell you there is no amber time but he sees a Red Time which is at 0.79...

    Your response:

    Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa.... Cluelesss!

    All my responses will be via PM.

    Your grandstanding has been curtailed.
  • 02-27-2014, 03:00 AM
    droid
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
    Honestly I appreciate the help both of you have given me. I don't know what disagreements you guys have but I do see That Guy with 9,000+ posts and to me that says a lot. As far as weighing in my options I have not other option but the obvious. Most of us come to these forums because we have no money to pursue these cases with a lawyer. Although I read some information regarding signs and letting the driver know of a camera nearby ( there weren't any on the intersection) I decided to take my chances with the judge and maybe they will reduce fines. If they cannot reduce the fines I have to work out a community service plan. I was a bad driver 2 years ago but since I have tried my very best to keep out of violations; this red light slipped.

    I'm a college student and have 3 points on my license already but I'm eligible for traffic school. Considering what I read and doing my due diligence, I think best best would ask for and extension then ask for an arraignment and then ask for a reduction in fines and traffic school. If all else fails I believe community service and traffic school would suffice...what do you think?
  • 02-27-2014, 09:29 AM
    BrianGC
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
    You are free to believe whomever you wish, whether it is this guy or That Guy. Our disagreements are rooted in which side of the law our advice comes from. Advice can come from a prosecutor's perspective or a defense attorney's viewpoint. They are both valid and true, but I would suspect that the people that come to this site are looking for how they might beat a citation, not to hear how guilty they are. That Guy's overwhelming advice is that the motorist is wrong, the police officer is right, the case has no defense, the motorist is not being truthful about the facts and the citation should be paid in full. I highly disagree those blanket assumptions.

    True, red-light camera citations in LA County can be ignored, but you must be aware of what is involved with that. In your situation, I would not advise that. If you ignore it, it will remain in court records (not DMV), collection agencies may begin to hound you and the Military could see that as a blemish. You must deal with this 'above board'.

    If you have 3 points on your DMV Record you cannot afford another point. Maybe the safest and most expensive way is to plead guilty and request traffic school.

    I just got a red light camera citation and beat it. Everyone here said it could not be done, including the most vocal of them, That Guy. He still will not face the fact that traffic lawyers beat these citations on a daily basis even after I furnished him with proof. If I were you I would do a little more research and call a lawyer that specializes in red light camera citations. Not a regular lawyer that wants $1,000 to get out of his chair. These lawyers can be as little as $100 - $300. Mine said it is easy to get a red light citation reduced to a non-moving violation and get the fine reduced in half. My lawyer did even better, he got it dismissed altogether. Total cost, $250.

    Phone calls are free. Speak to professionals that actually defend these type of citations. Traffic school is not the only way out.
  • 02-27-2014, 10:15 AM
    That Guy
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
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    Honestly I appreciate the help both of you have given me. I don't know what disagreements you guys have but I do see That Guy with 9,000+ posts and to me that says a lot.

    There are no disagreements. I simply have very little tolerance for liars (and hence my first response here in this thread). And I think that if anyone is genuinely here to help others, at least consider researching what you post rather than just pretending. And the responses regarding the red light phase time should be a good enough demonstration. I don't know if he's jealous, or simply psychotic but I cannot explain his behavior!

    Back on topic...

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    As far as weighing in my options I have not other option but the obvious. Most of us come to these forums because we have no money to pursue these cases with a lawyer.

    Precisely... Fact is most lawyers would not take a case like this simply because for it to be worth their time, they'd have to charge an excessive ratewhich may be viewed as unethical.

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    Although I read some information regarding signs and letting the driver know of a camera nearby ( there weren't any on the intersection)

    Signs are only an issue for RLC systems which have been installed AFTER January 1st of 2013. Unfortunately, Santa Clarita's system has been in use for several years now!

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    I decided to take my chances with the judge and maybe they will reduce fines. If they cannot reduce the fines I have to work out a community service plan. I was a bad driver 2 years ago but since I have tried my very best to keep out of violations; this red light slipped.

    I'm a college student and have 3 points on my license already but I'm eligible for traffic school. Considering what I read and doing my due diligence, I think best best would ask for and extension then ask for an arraignment and then ask for a reduction in fines and traffic school. If all else fails I believe community service and traffic school would suffice...what do you think?

    Considering the 3 points, and if they are from "a couple of years", then you're still not in danger of getting suspended.. Its 4 points in 1 year, 6 points in 2 years and 8 points in 3 years. But still, you must be paying through the nose for insurance and adding yet another point, makes this entire scenario a no brainer. Traffic school, with or without a reduction is a must... As I said above, I see no reason why you would be denied a fine reduction but if things have changed in the few months that I have not been in SCv court, you should pursue some sort of community service deal. Keep in mind that community service does not eliminate the entire fine, there will be some fees associated with the community service plan and those must be paid in advance of performing the service. Also keep in mind that once you start community service, you are in essence under a court order to perform the hours the judge set up for you, so do not slack because they will kick you out and return your case to court, at which time you can forget any sympathy from the judge.

    Furthermore, and to avoid complicating matters any more as i know might happen with extensions, but whatever you do, do not fail to appear in a timely manner and I think you should be OK.

    That said... You'll have to excuse me for a minute while I take the trash out...




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    All my responses will be via PM.

    Two reasons why you do that:
    (1) Because you're a spineless coward who has to hide behind the scenes to perform his misdeeds; and
    (2) Because you're a dimwitted idiot who cannot comprehend the simple meaning of "Do No Send Me Any Private Messages"

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    Your grandstanding has been curtailed.

    Your BIG LIE has been exposed!

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    I retained a lawyer for $250 to handle it for me. We'll see on Feb 14, how effective he is.
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    I'm curious how your attorney plans on handling the situation. Did he mention what his plan was?
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    if I had to guess I think he has a relationship with the PA (or equivalent).
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    However, in California the DA isn't required to attend court for traffic infractions. (People v. Carlucci (1979) 23 Cal.3d 249, People v. Daggett (1988) 206 Cal.App.3d Supp. 1, People ex rel. Kottmeier v. Municipal Court (1990) 220 Cal.App.3d 602) .
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    As you may have read I received a red light camera citation. I retained a traffic attorney to handle it for me and he appeared on it last Friday. He got it dismissed and I finally spoke to him about it this morning.

    He said the prosecutor took one look at it and threw it out.

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    What county was this in? The DA doesn't attend traffic court in most large counties in California any longer.
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    Orange County, CA. Los Alamitos PD.

    My attorney may not have called him a 'Prosecutor', I don't recall. What he said in those regards is that he did not have to argue my photo clarity with this person, whatever his title is. He said it was instantly dismissed.







    It was explained to you twice that there are no prosecutors present in traffic courts in California. Anyone who's had at least ONE traffic court case knows that. I explained it to you several times since you started posting, TheMadNorwegian explained it to you as you can see, a week or so before you came back pretending your case was dismissed. And yet you say what? "He said the prosecutor took one look at it and threw it out"... Bwahahahaaaa... And then when you get called on your stupid mistake you say what? "My attorney may not have called him a 'Prosecutor', I don't recall."You don't read what is getting posted because you are too busty concocting your idiotic lies. Too busy sending me useless meaningless PMs as if harassing me is going tio improve your credibility. You're an immature, disrespectful pathological liar and I, will make it my lifer mission to expose you in every thread you post in!Not because I care about what you think. But simply because I care about the people who come here for help, not bullshit advice from morons like you!

    As for grandstanding, no grandstanding from or by me... None needed, my knowledge and experience speak volumes... It is clear that you are mistaking my being 100 times smarter than you are for "grandstanding". But that is not the only way I am superior to you... I am honest, I have a high level of integrity, self respect, high morals and I am realistic. You? Your whole existence is one big God Damned LIE!

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    You are free to believe whomever you wish, whether it is this guy or That Guy. Our disagreements are rooted in which side of the law our advice comes from. Advice can come from a prosecutor's perspective or a defense attorney's viewpoint. They are both valid and true, but I would suspect that the people that come to this site are looking for how they might beat a citation, not to hear how guilty they are. That Guy's overwhelming advice is that the motorist is wrong, the police officer is right, the case has no defense, the motorist is not being truthful about the facts and the citation should be paid in full. I highly disagree those blanket assumptions.

    You can disagree all you want... Does not make you right. You disagreed with Carl... A 53 post thread of you arguing with a sergeant supervisor who has worked in law enforcement for over 30 years. One of the most straight forward, honest, down to earth, humble respectable human being anyone could ever know. And you wasted his time with your idiotic drivel as he tried to set you straight!

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    True, red-light camera citations in LA County can be ignored, but you must be aware of what is involved with that. In your situation, I would not advise that. If you ignore it, it will remain in court records (not DMV), collection agencies may begin to hound you and the Military could see that as a blemish. You must deal with this 'above board'.

    Talk out of both ends much? They can either be ignored, or they can't be ignored... Which is it?

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    If you have 3 points on your DMV Record you cannot afford another point. Maybe the safest and most expensive way is to plead guilty and request traffic school.

    Pretend you have a clue... The pint structure and associated suspension has been explained to the OP... He doesn't have to request traffic school, he can choose that without a request from the court.

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    I just got a red light camera citation and beat it. Everyone here said it could not be done, including the most vocal of them, That Guy. He still will not face the fact that traffic lawyers beat these citations on a daily basis even after I furnished him with proof. If I were you I would do a little more research and call a lawyer that specializes in red light camera citations. Not a regular lawyer that wants $1,000 to get out of his chair. These lawyers can be as little as $100 - $300. Mine said it is easy to get a red light citation reduced to a non-moving violation and get the fine reduced in half. My lawyer did even better, he got it dismissed altogether. Total cost, $250.

    Your BIG LIE has been exposed. You offered to send Carl (because he is the only person you'd trust on here) a PM with information confirming your story and .... NOTHING!

    free9man asked you to put up or shut up and you ignored him. He offered to be a neutral party and to look at your "proof", and again, you ignored him.

    Then after calling me a "FRAUD", you started sending me PMs pretending you want to prove to me that you hired an attorney for $250. Well, if I am a fraud, why would you trust me with your personal information?

    Here is your opportunity to start redeeming yourself. If your attorney did such a great job for such a low cost, why not post his contact information? If your story has any legitimacy to it, there is nothing wrong with posting his information, because it is all true, or so you claim. Otherwise, you need to zip it and shut up! Or be humiliated each and every time you mention it! Your choice!
  • 02-27-2014, 10:31 AM
    Welfarelvr
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
    One only needs to go to Yelp to find such attorneys. For those who post the fee, a quick glance seems to put it between $200 and $400. The (probably seeded) "reviews" claim wondrous success too. One example:
    http://www.cheaptrafficattorneys.com/ claim most tickets are $219 but they have a special for metro court of $189.

    How can these boys stay in business?
    http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto...ticket--1.aspx
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    For less than the cost of a business lunch, a traffic attorney will take your speeding ticket to court on your behalf. We're not talking about having your family attorney go to traffic court for you -- these traffic ticket lawyers often devote their entire practice to traffic tickets, sometimes handling hundreds per day. Some even offer a money-back guarantee if they fail to get your fine reduced or keep the ticket off your record.
  • 02-27-2014, 11:54 AM
    That Guy
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
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    One only needs to go to Yelp to find such attorneys. For those who post the fee, a quick glance seems to put it between $200 and $400. The (probably seeded) "reviews" claim wondrous success too. One example:
    http://www.cheaptrafficattorneys.com/ claim most tickets are $219 but they have a special for metro court of $189.

    Have you called? No you haven't.
    Does an online ad guarantee that is the fee they will charge? No it doesn't.
    Did you notice the "MOST TICKETS" in fine print under the $219 ATTORNEY FEE? Probably not!
    You even go as far as admitting that their Yelp ratings are "probably seeded". So what is your point?
    Something else that is not only "seeded", and not only is there no way to verify it, but it is highly misleading as well: Their "Recent Success List".... Did you really expect a "SUCCESS LIST" to include any failures? Or did you expect them to post "Client Fined the Full Fine Amount" or "Traffic School request Denied", or "Officer Was There and his Testimony Was solid"...
    Did you notice that it simply says "WE GO TO COURT FOR YOU"... And then what? Appearing in court does not mean they will win your case. Or will get you a reduction.
    In fact, paying an attorney $219 on a ticket that is $238 so he can get you a reduction (of let us assume 25% which will never happen but let us assume it does $238 X 75% = $178.50... $178.50 to the court + $219 to the attorney = $397.50)... And you still end up with a point on your record. Would you like traffic school to go with that reduction? Add another $50 that makes it a total of $447.50 when in fact you probably could have asked the judge for a reduction, ended up with a $200 fine, paid $50 for traffic school and you're at $250... saving yourself $197.50 You're brilliant!!!

    Want to figure it out for a $490 fine amount?
    $490 X 75% = $367.50 + $219 (assuming he'll represent you for $219 on a 490 ticket) = $586.50 would you like traffic school? Add $50 $586.50 + $50 = $636.50
    Whereas you may have been able to get a reduction to $400... Add traffic school for another $50 and you're at $450, saving yourself $186.50.

    Another option might be a plea deal... But since California traffic infractions are not attended to by a prosecutor, there is no one to plea bargain with. Some attorneys might offer such an option choice for commercial drivers, where they might attempt to negotiate with the officer with the permission of the court. But do you think an attorney, who's representing a commercial licensed driver who's career is on the line if he gets a point on his record is going to charge him $219? Or would you assume he's going to squeeze the blood out of his veins? And as for the plea bargains, do you think exchanging a moving violation for a non-moving violation comes at a cheap price? Or do you think the court, for offering such a privilege might require a higher than normal fine?

    Lastly, a dismissal... When you have the state's witness testify to what he saw, and unless you know of some unknown loophole, the chances of a dismissal is not going to be that viable an option... And you csan rest assured that since traffic lsaws do not change opften enough, and since traffic courts are open to th epublic, there really aren't that many "secret loopholes" that one attorney could keep to himself...


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    How can these boys stay in business?
    http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto...ticket--1.aspx
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    For less than the cost of a business lunch, a traffic attorney will take your speeding ticket to court on your behalf. We're not talking about having your family attorney go to traffic court for you -- these traffic ticket lawyers often devote their entire practice to traffic tickets, sometimes handling hundreds per day. Some even offer a money-back guarantee if they fail to get your fine reduced or keep the ticket off your record.

    First of all,, before you ask yourself how can they stay in business, ask this: if these are qualified attorney's who have graduated from law school, managed to pass the bar exam, and are just as qualified as top notch attorneys who can work in the corporate world charging $500 to $1000 an hour, why are they handling traffic matters when they could be banking a load of money every day? My user,, they aren't smart enough or aren't good enough.

    Second, you BOLDED the part about it being For less than the cost of a business lunch... So the OP tells you he cannot afford the fine he is facing, that he needs to request an extension so he can save up, and might possibly have to do community service to pay the penalty. And you're suggesting that a service which would cost $219, should be a viable option... A service which you opted to highlight the part about it costing "less than a business lunch... Because in your opinion this happens to be the target audience for such a service... Tell us WELFARELVR, how much do you spend on a business lunch?

    Third, if you've looked at some of the ones who offer a money back guarantee, you might note that there fees are split into 2 categories... One they will call an application fee for let us say $149.99, the other they might call a service fee for say $49.99. And you go to read their fine print and as it turns out, their money back guarantee only covers the $49.99 part. So for each case they take on, win or lose, they make $149.99.... Pretty lucrative, I must say...

    At any rate, you are obviously still reeling from your three back to back failures to prove anything I said in another thread (about the conspiracy) was wrong... And here you are back at it again.. Keep it coming... I enjoy making others like you look foolish! You might consider looking something that might help the OP! Otherwise, you're only showing what a distraction you are, you're only proving to be a troll!
  • 02-27-2014, 12:22 PM
    Welfarelvr
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
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    At any rate, you are obviously still reeling from your three back to back failures to prove anything I said in another thread (about the conspiracy) was wrong... And here you are back at it again.. Keep it coming... I enjoy making others like you look foolish! You might consider looking something that might help the OP! Otherwise, you're only showing what a distraction you are, you're only proving to be a troll!

    Um...your lack of knowledge regarding conspiracy is well noted and still incorrect. No matter how many times you rethink the issue you still cannot come up with comprehensible path from the facts to a conspiracy. Please stop embarrassing yourself and let it go. Not telling the police who did the crime, even if you know who did it and agreed not to tell, is not a conspiracy. Add all the facts you want to that, it will still be true. In your last attempt, you tried to make words the courts found well known in the common law to mean completely different things. Sure, you relied on English skills rather than legal ones to come up with your erroneous theory, but that is the difference between a poseur and someone with knowledge.

    Regarding the pricing, I only used one example. There are numerous other ones out there for any person who can use the internet to discover. Anyone of them can put your statement to the test without having to wade through another of your tirades. Before you call someone a liar when he claims he paid what the market seems to advertise is the price for a particular service, you should probably have something other than personal delusions and twisted logical argument. One does not have to be Learnerd Hand to become knowledgeable in a relatively small subset of the law like traffic violations. Your postings more than prove that. The article linked clearly shows how an attorney can make a profitable business focusing on many low paying jobs. You will find this type of value billing service in eviction attorneys too. The jobs, while technical, are often repetitive and only when additional services are required would one not be able to fly on autopilot. You might also look at the economics of legal practice from some internet services like Legal Zoom. When you click on the button on the legal form to "consult" with an attorney, do you know how that works and how much the attorneys who make the call get paid? It is a lot lower than you might think and yet there are many attorneys who make a good living from supplementing their practice at a regular stream of paying clients through such services. (Not "clients" for technical reasons, but users they provide a service for.) I am sure you will have some exclamatory laden response that will argue things are not that way. Since anyone who cares can use resources completely outside of argument to check out the facts for themselves, I will allow you the last word as I do not choose to engage.
  • 02-27-2014, 06:21 PM
    BrianGC
    Re: Red Light Camera Ticket in Santa Clarita, California
    Welfareivr,
    You may not be following That Guy's campaign to get me to leave this site but he is well aware of these lawyers. When he kept insisting that I was lying about my case I finally sent him my lawyer's name via PM. You know what he did. He laid low for about a day (that's a long time for him) and then came back and completely ignored it. He would not respond to the plethora of information at his fingertips. He could verify all my lawyer's case numbers, wins, losses, reductions, about fifty Yelp reviews, the amount he charges…everything. For all I know, what I gave him, he may now knows my full name, home address, DOB, DL no., etc. Not a very comforting thought, huh?

    So what does he do with this information about my attorney. He claims he never read it. Then goes on to tell me to never to PM him again. Basically sticking his head in the sand.

    Any reasonable, respectable person knows that if you stand in someone's face and call them a liar, you owe them the opportunity to prove they are not. You don't put your hands over your ears when they show irrefutable proof they are being truthful.

    I'm through with him too. I will not respond to him publicly on this forum. I now deal with him via PM where he cannot grandstand. But do you think he responds to me on a one-to-one unfiltered, PM basis. No way, he won't respond unless he can stand on his soapbox and post to the world.
  • 02-27-2014, 07:18 PM
    That Guy
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    You may not be following That Guy's campaign to get me to leave this site but he is well aware of these lawyers.

    I could care less who stays and who goes. Just as long as this forum remains to be a source of information that is accurate and applicable. Nothing that you have posted in your 200+ posts has or can ever benefit anyone. Your posts are filled with crap for lack of a more empty yet despicable description to use. I had you figured out ever since your first post. And sure enough, even since you have posted nothing but lies and idiotic commentary. You can continue to deny it, but everything I posted to describe you, about you, from you or in any way related to you, is the absolute truth. And you can rest assured that as long as I am able to post, I will continue to expose your lies. You are a compulsive liar and you will not ever change your ways. You can't!

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    I'm through with him too.

    Promises promises...

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    I will not respond to him publicly on this forum.

    Because you're a spineless slimy coward. You think your PMs bother me? Think again. You're wasting multiples the amount of time sending them that it takes me to delete them. And you're gaining NOTHING!

    If you have something to say, say it out in this forum. But you have no balls and no back bone! No integrity and no self respect. And not a hint of intelligence. A dumb as as well. You're incapable of comprehending the meaning of a simple "Do Not Send Me Any Private Messages you Stupid Jack-Ass".
  • 02-27-2014, 07:56 PM
    searcher99
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    That Guy with 9,000+ posts and to me that says a lot.

    So TG, just in the interest of full disclosure for the benefit of droid and others, are your forum posts part of your official duties working for the California Legislature?
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