Prohibited Person in Car with a Gun

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Quoting PADriver13

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Isn't a gun, that is locked in a separate compartment, that only the driver has a key to, inaccessible by anyone, other than the driver?

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Such depends on whether or not "anyone" has a mini pry bar in their overcoat.

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Quoting PADriver13

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No one is suggesting furnishing a firearm to a convicted felon. Not sure where I said that was my intent. Maybe you are confused??

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If you are not suggesting furnishing a firearm to a convicted felon, then why are you asking whether or not it is OK to place a firearm in a glovebox that lies inches in front of a possible convicted felon? If you do not as a regular habit drive convicted felons around in your car - then why would you be worried about carrying a firearm around in your car? Don't you know who your passengers in your personal vehicle are?

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Quoting PADriver13

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Who is suggesting this as a defense to anything? I surely didn't. Also, it's a LTCF in PA, not a CCW.

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If you are not on a daily basis driving around convicted felons or criminals around in your car then I do not see why you would be worried about this issue.

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Quoting PADriver13

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I have, thank you. The reason I posted is because I cannot find any cases relating to my specific situation. I have, however, found cases in where judges have rules that keeping guns in a home, inside of a locked safe that is access controlled, is acceptable when there are prohibited people also cohabiting in the house.

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Quoting nadsab

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My first question to you would be - are any of your passengers in the vehicle that you own and of which you drive them around in or allow them to borrow your vehicle - are any of them convicted felons?

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No, not to my knowledge. And I'm not being coy. I have never knowingly allowed someone in my car that was a prohibited person from being around firearms.

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Or people convicted of domestic violence?

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No.

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Or under age persons?

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Yes - however, the firearm was secured in a holster on my belt, therefore I was in complete possession, and the underage individual was an immediate family member (exempt from underage provision)

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If so - do you knowingly drive said person(s) around as passengers in your vehicle, with said gun in the glove box either locked or un locked?

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When I drive, the gun is ALWAYS secured in my holster, on my belt. The only time it is EVER left in a LOCKED glove box is when I go somewhere that prohibits firearms.

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Or - do you allow above said individual(s) to borrow your vehicle?

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No, no one has ever borrowed my vehicle, and I sure as heck wouldn't leave a gun in a vehicle that I am not going to be in. (theft, loss, etc.)

PS - I apologize for any confusion, seems several are confusing convicted felon with prohibited person. I am not pal'ing around with convicted felons, however, there are several people I spend time with who are otherwise prohibited, simply by not having a LTCF.

The problem with giving an answer to a hypothetical is as follows:

Say we respond to a hypothetical regarding facts a, b and c. What happens when a situation occurs but it's a, b and d?

We CANNOT give you a hard and fast answer to what is essentially a moving target.

Too hypothetical. If I were the OP I would be asking the people whom issue gun permits in the state I was driving in. There are far too many variables involved. Ask the state police if you can leave a permitted handgun in a locked glovebox if anyone is in the passenger seat and see what they say.

It would be like asking - can someone sue me or arrest me if I do something that may or may not be wrong.

When in doubt then just dont bring the gun with you no problem.

Now, if you have no passengers in your car, and if you leave your permitted gun in a locked car and you are not in the car, and someone breaks into your car and steals the gun, that would be another question. Because you can file a police report for theft of the gun and it is then considered stolen and out of your hands. But to leave your gun in a car that is potentially un locked because there is now someone else in the car whom may or may not leave the car and may or may not lock the car if and when they leave, with you not in the car, and anyone has access to the unlocked car, it is anyones guess what a criminal or civil court may decide.

I can tell you what I would think though if I was on a jury in a civil case. If someone left a gun in a glove box with either a minor child or a convicted felon in the passenger seat, and then went in to buy a big mac, and something went awry with the gun, i would vote to offer damages to the idiot who left a gun in a glove box near either a child or a convicted felon.

And another thing - everyone on the planet knows that locks on glove boxes are a joke - they can either be picked with a flimsy finger nail file or pried open with a screw driver and offer little or any security. So the idea that leaving a hand gun in a locked glove box in a vehicle that may or may be unlocked and may or may not be open to anyone whom walks by - the idea that doing so offers any measure of security is absurd and everyone knows it.

I, personally, don't leave a gun in my car - occupied or not. If I am going to go somewhere that for some reason won't allow even an off-duty peace officer to carry inside (like an NFL football game) I either leave it at home, or, secure it hidden in the trunk of my vehicle where no one can get at it without major destruction. I would NEVER leave it in a glove box or other storage area on the interior of the car when I was not physically present.