Can a School Ban a Minor's Adult Boyfriend From the Vicinity

My question involves juvenile law in the State of: Florida

Okay so im 22 yr old. My girl is 17. She turns 18 in about 9 months. Her mom knows about it already , we been dating for about 1.6 years already. Her mom holds a big grudge on me for no reason what so ever. Well her reason is cause im 5 yrs older. Thing is even if her daughter was 20 yrs old and me 25 she would still hate it. She doesn't believe in 5 yr difference relationship.

Now I don't drink , smoke , or go to clubs or pt. I don't have any driving record.
On my free time i just play games with my friend , computer ones or consoles. So im not a bad guy. Now according to the state of FL , 16-17 can sexually legally consent to sexual activity with a person 16-23 according to this http://www.flsenate.gov/PublishedCon...2012-214cj.pdf

Now main problem. I see my girl early in the morning before school starts. As soon as the bell rings she goes to class , and i leave the school for good. I don't even pick her up after school in the school.

Now the school told her , that I cant be 1000ft near the school. That i have no authority being near it or there. If i am caught , I'll be arrested. Can the school really ban me 1000 ft with out a restraining order? Now let me mention i also have a lil bro that goes there. Im the one that takes him to school and sometimes in the blue moon , pick him up.


#Please lets keep this subject to what the question is. I don't wanna hear " what you two got in common" , or " shes too young". Keep it to you're self please. I just want to deal with the real question I asked. Thank you.

What did you do that precipitated the ban?

Yes, school can ban you from their property. You have no association or business with the school so you have no right to be on school propertty.

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My question involves juvenile law in the State of: Florida

Okay so im 22 yr old. My girl is 17. She turns 18 in about 9 months. Her mom knows about it already , we been dating for about 1.6 years already. Her mom holds a big grudge on me for no reason what so ever. Well her reason is cause im 5 yrs older. Thing is even if her daughter was 20 yrs old and me 25 she would still hate it. She doesn't believe in 5 yr difference relationship.

Now I don't drink , smoke , or go to clubs or pt. I don't have any driving record.
On my free time i just play games with my friend , computer ones or consoles. So im not a bad guy. Now according to the state of FL , 16-17 can sexually legally consent to sexual activity with a person 16-23 according to this http://www.flsenate.gov/PublishedCon...2012-214cj.pdf

Now main problem. I see my girl early in the morning before school starts. As soon as the bell rings she goes to class , and i leave the school for good. I don't even pick her up after school in the school.

Now the school told her , that I cant be 1000ft near the school. That i have no authority being near it or there. If i am caught , I'll be arrested. Can the school really ban me 1000 ft with out a restraining order? Now let me mention i also have a lil bro that goes there. Im the one that takes him to school and sometimes in the blue moon , pick him up.


#Please lets keep this subject to what the question is. I don't wanna hear " what you two got in common" , or " shes too young". Keep it to you're self please. I just want to deal with the real question I asked. Thank you.

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I'll spell it out. When an adult has to go to the local high school to see his girlfriend, that's generally a decent sign that he's nowhere near mature enough to carry out anything more complex than playing hopscotch.

You know Mom isn't exactly loving the relationship. How about you show her some respect and stay away until girly girl is 18?

@Mr. Knowitall: Nothing at all , just the fact im 22. Plain simple.
@Dogmatique: Fl has no laws that indicates that a minor cant date an adult. Also a minor aged 16-17 can legally consent to sexual activity with a person 16-23 . So tell me , why should I leave when i have not done anything illegal ? Show her respect? She doesn't show respect to me in any way , form , or aspect what so ever. Shes worse than a 15 yrs , completely immature. Rather than handling situation like an adult and talk to me properly in a manner way. She acts completely childish. So again , why should i show her respect? Her own daughter does not care , her other two daughter cares less about her.

Do you have a job to go to? Do you also go to school (college)? If the answer to both is "no" then I can understand mom's concerns.

And, all because the age of consent might include a 17 year old, that doesn't mean you can't be charged for encouraging a minor to disobey their parents or engage in delinquent behavior.

To directly answer your question, the school CAN prevent you from accessing their property. Absolutely! But, only a court order could prevent you from coming within 1,000' of the school, so that is an empty threat by someone ... unless, of course, you have some prior criminal conviction that includes such a prohibition.

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Do you have a job to go to? Do you also go to school (college)? If the answer to both is "no" then I can understand mom's concerns.

And, all because the age of consent might include a 17 year old, that doesn't mean you can't be charged for encouraging a minor to disobey their parents or engage in delinquent behavior.

To directly answer your question, the school CAN prevent you from accessing their property. Absolutely! But, only a court order could prevent you from coming within 1,000' of the school, so that is an empty threat by someone ... unless, of course, you have some prior criminal conviction that includes such a prohibition.

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I have no conviction of any criminal charges. My history is clean. The principle and school cop and counselors are the one that said that.

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I have no conviction of any criminal charges. My history is clean. The principle and school cop and counselors are the one that said that.

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So, I take it you are unemployed and not going to school? Do you live at home with parents or other family? I'm trying to figure out mom's objections ... those two issues would do it for me (and I am a parent of four teens).

When she turns 18 and has graduated from high school, she can do what she wants and can leave home with whatever her parents allow her to take. Until then, you have no legal right to see her and no legal right to go to the school.

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So, I take it you are unemployed and not going to school? Do you live at home with parents or other family? I'm trying to figure out mom's objections ... those two issues would do it for me (and I am a parent of four teens).

When she turns 18 and has graduated from high school, she can do what she wants and can leave home with whatever her parents allow her to take. Until then, you have no legal right to see her and no legal right to go to the school.

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i live with my mom because my parents divorced. My mom needed help , so i live with her. I was working full time as comp technician for a company. Right economic is really bad so i got laid off. Ain't my fault. During high school straight from 9th grade all the way to 12th i used to go to 2 schools a day all week, for 4 years. Its a aviation magnet program. So 2 schools a day and it all happens during the high school hours. I even had to do night school because the aviation school did not let me take some of the mandatory high school classes that i needed for graduation. So i was in school from 7 am to 10 pm.

Right after graduation which was in 2009 , i kept going to the aviation school full time for a avionics engineering degree for 3 years. This year I took the CJBAT for a criminal justice job , and by mid of this year i plan on taking the ASVAB. So by the time she graduates school mid next year i'll be joining the US Coast Guard.

Again i have no criminal records what so ever , I don't even have a driving record. Not 1 single ticket in my life. Again I don't drink , i don't smoke , i don't go to clubs , or parties.

Me and her been dating for 1.6 yrs. Yes we secretly dated for 1 yr. And yes i know it was wrong. When we made 1 yr me and her and her mom had dinner together. It was her first day meeting me and knowing our relationship. It went good , nothing bad. The day after , her mom invited me to go out with her and her family to an event they were going. Couple of days after i was invited by her mom to come over to they're "family best friend" for a movie night , etc etc.

Her problem is that me and her daughter are 5 yrs apart. Even if she turns 18 she will still have a problem with it. Even if she was 20 and me 25 , she would still bring issues. Shes totally against a 5yr difference relationship. Like if it was a religion thing or something.

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@Mr. Knowitall: Nothing at all , just the fact im 22. Plain simple.
@Dogmatique: Fl has no laws that indicates that a minor cant date an adult. Also a minor aged 16-17 can legally consent to sexual activity with a person 16-23 . So tell me , why should I leave when i have not done anything illegal ? Show her respect? She doesn't show respect to me in any way , form , or aspect what so ever. Shes worse than a 15 yrs , completely immature. Rather than handling situation like an adult and talk to me properly in a manner way. She acts completely childish. So again , why should i show her respect? Her own daughter does not care , her other two daughter cares less about her.

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Hon, Mom doesn't have to show you one iota of respect. You hid the fact you were dating for a year and that does indeed speak for itself.

I agree - hiding the relationship for a year is not going to ingratiate you with any parent.

But, so long as you don't encourage or assist the minor child from being out of her parents' control, and don't otherwise break the law, then you cannot be charged with a crime. You also have NO LEGAL RIGHT to enter onto school property. Regardless of the why, you have no legal right to be there and if the school or any representative says "no" you cannot be there. So, stay away from school, don't encourage or aid her in disobeying her parents, and you can likely avoid any criminal entanglements.

But, understand that as long as this remains contentious, when/if she decides to move out in 9 months to be with you, she may leave without support or anything more than the clothes on her back. The question might be whether or not she is willing to make that move.

Your brother may have a claim against the school, by denying him his only means of transportation to the school, they may be in violation of his rights.

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I agree - hiding the relationship for a year is not going to ingratiate you with any parent.

But, so long as you don't encourage or assist the minor child from being out of her parents' control, and don't otherwise break the law, then you cannot be charged with a crime. You also have NO LEGAL RIGHT to enter onto school property. Regardless of the why, you have no legal right to be there and if the school or any representative says "no" you cannot be there. So, stay away from school, don't encourage or aid her in disobeying her parents, and you can likely avoid any criminal entanglements.

But, understand that as long as this remains contentious, when/if she decides to move out in 9 months to be with you, she may leave without support or anything more than the clothes on her back. The question might be whether or not she is willing to make that move.

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My question was can the school ban me 1000 ft from the school without a restraining order ? Basically everything surrounding the school are residential houses. The houses are barely 50-100 ft from the school it self. So if would say that the school only property is the school , and the sidewalk surrounding the school. And possible the street that's next to it. But that's not 1000 ft. Im pretty sure 1000 feet is also beyond the residential houses. Can they even do that ?

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Your brother may have a claim against the school, by denying him his only means of transportation to the school, they may be in violation of his rights.

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What in the world are you talking about?

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Your brother may have a claim against the school, by denying him his only means of transportation to the school, they may be in violation of his rights.

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No problem - he can drop off his little bro a block from school. He does not HAVE to drive his little bro ON TO school property.

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My question was can the school ban me 1000 ft from the school without a restraining order ?

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No. Not that I can see.

well imma quote my question again :)

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My question was can the school ban me 1000 ft from the school without a restraining order ? Basically everything surrounding the school are residential houses. The houses are barely 50-100 ft from the school it self. So if would say that the school only property is the school , and the sidewalk surrounding the school. And possible the street that's next to it. But that's not 1000 ft. Im pretty sure 1000 feet is also beyond the residential houses. Can they even do that ?

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The school can ban you from the property without a restraining order. They may or may not be able to enforce 1000 feet, but they do not have any legal obligation to allow you to set one foot onto their property.

Also, the fact that the state will not throw you in jail for dating a minor does NOT mean that Mom is forced to allow you access to her daughter. As long as daughter is under 18, and even after that if she is still living with Mom, it is Mom's house, Mom's rules.

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The school can ban you from the property without a restraining order. They may or may not be able to enforce 1000 feet, but they do not have any legal obligation to allow you to set one foot onto their property.

Also, the fact that the state will not throw you in jail for dating a minor does NOT mean that Mom is forced to allow you access to her daughter. As long as daughter is under 18, and even after that if she is still living with Mom, it is Mom's house, Mom's rules.

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thnx for the reply in the school part. Now after the 18 part. Even if its under her house still. She cant stop me from dating her at that point. She can stop me from going to her house , or near her house. But not dating. Her daughter's , yes Daughter's hates her. Shes a bad mother. Not because she doesn't listen to her, but because she hit's her. As in punch her. That's a different story. All i want now is the school stuff that's all.

So for all of you plz stay in the school subject and not between me and her relationship status lol

She can also, once the daughter is 18, toss her into the street with nothing but the clothes on her back and whatever daughter can prove she paid for herself, if she doesn't like what daughter is doing.

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She can also, once the daughter is 18, toss her into the street with nothing but the clothes on her back and whatever daughter can prove she paid for herself, if she doesn't like what daughter is doing.

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Her daughter wants to leave already. She does not want to live with her mom. And im only wishing she could be 18 for that to happen. So it's not a concern.

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thnx for the reply in the school part. Now after the 18 part. Even if its under her house still. She cant stop me from dating her at that point. She can stop me from going to her house , or near her house. But not dating. Her daughter's , yes Daughter's hates her. Shes a bad mother. Not because she doesn't listen to her, but because she hit's her. As in punch her. That's a different story. All i want now is the school stuff that's all.

So for all of you plz stay in the school subject and not between me and her relationship status lol

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Actually yes, she CAN stop you from dating her minor daughter. She can even get a restraining order against you if you keep dating her minor daughter. She just cannot have you charged with statutory rape for having sex with her minor daughter, because her minor daughter is over the age of consent.

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Actually yes, she CAN stop you from dating her minor daughter. She can even get a restraining order against you if you keep dating her minor daughter. She just cannot have you charged with statutory rape for having sex with her minor daughter, because her minor daughter is over the age of consent.

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Read again :)

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@Mr. Knowitall: Nothing at all , just the fact im 22. Plain simple.

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Then how would they even know you are around the school grounds, so as to ban you?

One basis they would have for a 1,000 foot ban is if you're a registered sex offender; I expect, though, you would have told us if something like that were the case.

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Your brother may have a claim against the school, by denying him his only means of transportation to the school, they may be in violation of his rights.

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There's no constitutional right to get picked up from school by your big brother. Little bro' can walk off of school property to get his ride.

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Then how would they even know you are around the school grounds, so as to ban you?

One basis they would have for a 1,000 foot ban is if you're a registered sex offender; I expect, though, you would have told us if something like that were the case.

There's no constitutional right to get picked up from school by your big brother. Little bro' can walk off of school property to get his ride.

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my gf mom called the school counselors asking him to talk to her. That's how they know. She told them. Ive been going there for over 1.6 years already. They never knew , which means i have not done anything wrong while in school.

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They never knew , which means i have not done anything wrong while in school.

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Doesn't matter. They know now and are choosing to tell you to stay off school property. So stay off school property. As has been mentioned, the 1000' thing might be outside their ability. But don't put so much as a toe on school property.

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my gf mom called the school counselors asking him to talk to her. That's how they know. She told them. Ive been going there for over 1.6 years already. They never knew , which means i have not done anything wrong while in school.

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You don't seem to understand - you have no legal right to enter upon school grounds. They can prohibit you for any reason they wish.

So, stay away from the school, and do not assist or encourage your minor girlfriend from disobeying her parent and you might stay out of jail.

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I have no conviction of any criminal charges. My history is clean. The principle and school cop and counselors are the one that said that.

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Well if that cop sees you around the school, he will probably arrest you., if a school official sees you around the school they will call the cop to arrest you, stay off school property and stay away from the minor child until she is 18 unless you want to find out what the inside of the county jail looks like.

Seriously, you need to understand that unless you have LEGITIMATE BUSINESS on the school grounds (aka, the mailman making a delivery), then you can arrested and charged with Criminal Trespass. How do you think the girls mom will feel about that?

Seriously, until she is 18 and moves out, I'd break off the relationship. Again, mom's house, mom's rules until the day she moves out.

Why on earth do these threads last more than a page?

Until we hold Stompy The Op's hand and tell him/her what they want to hear?

Yeah. I don't do that with my kids, let alone some guy who doesn't want to give up seeing his girlfriend at her school.

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Why on earth do these threads last more than a page?

Until we hold Stompy The Op's hand and tell him/her what they want to hear?

Yeah. I don't do that with my kids, let alone some guy who doesn't want to give up seeing his girlfriend at her school.

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um , I do it for fun. Not because i have too lol. I can simply do it after school . Oh btw I think i forgot to mention that , the only time Im in school and with her , is in the morning BEFORE school even starts. Around 30 minutes before the first class of the day begins. Before school starts :) . I simply drop my bro off and just stay there with my girl till school starts then I leave. Thats my daily stuff lol

Thread last longer because not many thread are created during the day , so people are bored and just continue on the current threads :)

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@lehk : Well if that cop sees you around the school, he will probably arrest you., if a school official sees you around the school they will call the cop to arrest you, stay off school property and stay away from the minor child until she is 18 unless you want to find out what the inside of the county jail looks like.

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True , but security already see me every day and say hi to me and walk away :P , especially the one that caught me once and kicked me out the very first time ^.^. Office people i know for 6 years already , they let me get out or give me a pass to get out safely if in any case i get stuck inside before all doors close cause class starting. Which does not happen often. I usually leave 5 mins before all doors gets closed in the morning.

Higher administration could potentionally see me buuuuuut , i kinda look like im 17-18 in face :P , i also wear school uniform when i see my girl. I know my way around lol , i went to that school. I know every way to get in and out. But i dont sneak around , i just come in and come out in the main door :P.

BUT i get you're point tho. Cop also stopped me once inside school, and let me go without many questions. I doubt that would happen again . Like you said there wont be second chances.

Well, it had better stop being your daily stuff because they CAN. Repeat. CAN ban you from school property. No matter when it is. No matter whether school has started or not. No matter how your brother gets to school.

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the only time Im in school and with her , is in the morning BEFORE school even starts. Around 30 minutes before the first class of the day begins. Before school starts :) . I simply drop my bro off and just stay there with my girl till school starts then I leave.

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It may come as some surprise that even when school is NOT "open" that you have no right to be there. So, enter onto school grounds at your own risk.

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My question involves juvenile law in the State of: Florida

Okay so im 22 yr old. My girl is 17. She turns 18 in about 9 months. Her mom knows about it already , we been dating for about 1.6 years already. Her mom holds a big grudge on me for no reason what so ever. Well her reason is cause im 5 yrs older[/B]

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Why not just find someone your own age instead of dating children? Problem solved.

If you were 40 and your gal was 35 it would not make a difference. However you are a legal adult and you are dating a child. It is time for you to grow up and date a woman and not a child and stop acting like a crybaby instead of a young man.

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#Please lets keep this subject to what the question is. I don't wanna hear " what you two got in common" , or " shes too young". Keep it to you're self please. I just want to deal with the real question I asked. Thank you.

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Yeah you do not want to hear it - which is why you are a young man whining like a teenager and playing video games with your friends. Time to grow up and make yourself desirable to a young woman your own age - instead of acting like a high school kid and hanging out with them.

22 year old women generally are relatively more mature than men the same age and are in the beginning stages of starting a nest, looking for the right guy, and it is clear you are not yet ready to carry on a serious relationship with a grown and mature woman your own age. Not even close. So instead of dating anyone at this point, I would suggest to you to get some kind of training or education or join the millitary or at the very least get a good job that offers you opportunity for advancement and a decent career or trade. Then in a year or to start dating women your own age and in the mean time getting some form of mental health counseling might not be a bad idea either.

Also you might find that that high school kid you are dating will out grow you anyway if she goes off to college - she might just be using you as her boy toy anyway to brag about at school and once she graduates she will most likely dump you anyway and you will end up getting your feelings hurt and looking like an idiot to your video game friends.

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Why not just find someone your own age instead of dating children? Problem solved.

If you were 40 and your gal was 35 it would not make a difference. However you are a legal adult and you are dating a child. It is time for you to grow up and date a woman and not a child and stop acting like a crybaby instead of a young man.



Yeah you do not want to hear it - which is why you are a young man whining like a teenager and playing video games with your friends. Time to grow up and make yourself desirable to a young woman your own age - instead of acting like a high school kid and hanging out with them.

22 year old women generally are relatively more mature than men the same age and are in the beginning stages of starting a nest, looking for the right guy, and it is clear you are not yet ready to carry on a serious relationship with a grown and mature woman your own age. Not even close. So instead of dating anyone at this point, I would suggest to you to get some kind of training or education or join the millitary or at the very least get a good job that offers you opportunity for advancement and a decent career or trade. Then in a year or to start dating women your own age and in the mean time getting some form of mental health counseling might not be a bad idea either.

Also you might find that that high school kid you are dating will out grow you anyway if she goes off to college - she might just be using you as her boy toy anyway to brag about at school and once she graduates she will most likely dump you anyway and you will end up getting your feelings hurt and looking like an idiot to your video game friends.

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Oh please. A 17 year old is hardly a "child". Is she magically going to become a woman at 12:01 am the day of her birthday?

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Oh please. A 17 year old is hardly a "child". Is she magically going to become a woman at 12:01 am the day of her birthday?

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Yeah, but she's hardly a mature adult, still in high school, and should have nothing in common with a 22-year-old male ... unless said male is rather immature himself. They should be at very different places in their lives and social and emotional development. Statistically, this relationship will not end well ...

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Then how would they even know you are around the school grounds, so as to ban you?

One basis they would have for a 1,000 foot ban is if you're a registered sex offender; I expect, though, you would have told us if something like that were the case.

There's no constitutional right to get picked up from school by your big brother. Little bro' can walk off of school property to get his ride.

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Down the block isn't a 1000 feet, 1000 feet is around 3 to 4 blocks. The school has no grounds to deny him the right to be dropped off in front of the school, on public land. Under what legal grounds can the school deny a student the right to be picked up in front of the school, under what legal grounds does the school have to single out a student and force them to walk blocks and blocks to attend the school. If his brother was disabled, it would definitely be a violation of his brothers civil rights.

Again, as apparently you missed it the first time around, you have no constitutional right to have your big brother pick you up from school.

Dreaming up fantasy scenarios where the little brother is disabled is neither relevant to, nor helpful to, the discussion of the facts that have been shared with us.

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Again, as apparently you missed it the first time around, you have no constitutional right to have your big brother pick you up from school.

Dreaming up fantasy scenarios where the little brother is disabled is neither relevant to, nor helpful to, the discussion of the facts that have been shared with us.

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The school has NO legal ground to tell you who can and can't take you to school. Please explain what legal grounds does the school have to tell a student who can and can't take them to school. If the brother is the only means of transportation to the school, then the school is placing an undo burden on the younger brother, under which they have no legal grounds to do so.

What if he wanted to visit someone who lives across from the school, what legal grounds does the school say he can't go to that house, what if he needs to drive pass the school to get to another location, what legal grounds does the school have to deny him access to the public rounds near the school. You said his brother doesn't have a right to be taken to school by him, but you fail to answer what legal grounds does the school have to control the public streets, and private lands not belonging to the school.

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The school has NO legal ground to tell you who can and can't take you to school. Please explain what legal grounds does the school have to tell a student who can and can't take them to school. If the brother is the only means of transportation to the school, then the school is placing an undo burden on the younger brother, under which they have no legal grounds to do so.

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That's not what was said at all.

Yes it is, the school said he can't be 1000 feet from the school, this prevents him from taking his brother to school.

Mr Knowitall responded by saying the school has a right to do this.