What Will Happen if an Adult Male Stranger Wrongly Touches a Female Minor

So are you saying we should overlook it when those with mental illness or alcoholism break the laws? Or when someone with mental illness or alcoholism touches a female because he couldn't control his impulses?

You sir, seem to have quite the fascination with this young woman's ass. My advice: Look, but don't touch. I bet if she wore jeans you would have this same fixation.

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Quoting PandorasBox

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You sir, seem to have quite the fascination with this young woman's ass. My advice: Look, but don't touch. I bet if she wore jeans you would have this same fixation.

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Here we go again. The shapely ass covered only in black spandex is the example that motivates the discussion. Personally, I was interested to see that a college intern would wear it, but I figured she might be going to party on campus later or something that young adults do.

Anyway, homeless people aren't supposed to have a perfect knowledge of the law, or the self-control that lawyers and law professors do. Therefore, it is important to keep dangerous things like loaded guns, switchblades, and sexualized 17 year-olds out of the adult area of the shelter. Do the men there at the shelter not have a reasonable expectation that those in charge will reasonably assure their safety? Isn't that why Russian Roulette is not permitted there?

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Quoting FLee

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My point is that homeless people are not perfect

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No one is "perfect"

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which means there might be scuffles and misconduct between strangers that should not involve the police

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That is up to the parties involved, you do not get to decide if law enforcement is called.

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Quoting FLee

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However with scandals in religious organizations, sports organizations, and schools, it's almost impossible for anyone to not act, arrest, or prosecute when the victim is a minor

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The state needs to act especially if the victim is a minor.

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A schizophrenic or alcoholic man who lands on a sex offender registry has pretty much received a death sentence. Despite these facts, no one here seems outraged at the risk to the homeless men.

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These men are adults responsible for their own actions. This is why we have laws, if they are unable to control their urges then they can suffer the consequences.

Again, if you have such great concern then speak to the parent or a shelter supervisor about the issue.

I find this post to be creepy and predatory in nature because you keep laying the blame at the 17 year olds door instead of being concerned that she may be the target of a sexual assault.
You are either a troll or you are jailward bound.

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Quoting FLee

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homeless people aren't supposed to have a perfect knowledge of the law, or the self-control that lawyers and law professors do. Therefore, it is important to keep dangerous things like loaded guns, switchblades, and sexualized 17 year-olds out of the adult area of the shelter.

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I am rather new to this forum, but I have read a lot of the posts and replies...this is one of the most absurd quotes I have seen.

Ignorance may be bliss but it is not an excuse to break the law and someone's profession, lack thereof or socio-economic standing has absolutely no bearing on them knowing right from wrong.

Please go speak with a shelter supervisor about keeping sexualized women of breeding age out of the mens shelter.

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Quoting PandorasBox

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If you feel so concerned for this girl....maybe you should express that with the parent who brings her to the shelter?

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I have no social relationship with the shelter employee that would make a discussion about her parenting appropriate. And I fear retaliation from her and the staff. However, every citizen is a "mandatory reporter" of sorts. If I believed that her judgement as a parent was criminal, then I would be remiss in confronting her. You have to tell the authorities, not the offender, of evidence of criminal activity. Yes?

Besides, the danger to the child is minimal. I'm fairly certain that she's been groped by a male or two, although minors like herself, not drunken strangers or authority figures. The danger to the mentally ill and the alcoholics was tremendous though. Registered sex offenders receive little sympathy from the public. The danger was than that posed by a loaded handgun in the shelter. I'm sure that has likely happened also, but I have not been aware of it.

How is her judgment as a parent "criminal"? I'm sorry, but spandex pants can be purchased legally in any retail store. Poor decision to let her teen wear that in a homeless shelter? Perhaps.

And no, I don't have any sympathy for sex offenders. I was molested when I was 8. Oh wait, that must be the shorts I was wearing, right? What about babies who are raped? Oh, I guess that diaper was just soooo sexy.

The danger to the mentally ill and alcoholics....please? It's them (according to you) who may grope her. Not she who may grope them. If they can't control their impulses, they belong in prison or mental facility, not a homeless shelter.

Again, bring the girls clothing to the attention of an authority figure in the shelter if you are so concerned. I'm sure you can even write a brief anonymous note and leave it for an authority figure to find.

[QUOTE=FLee;773793]You have to tell the authorities, not the offender, of evidence of criminal activity. Yes?[QUOTE]

She has not committed a crime.

If you fear retaliation then use those typing skills and type up an anonymous letter and leave it for the shelter Administration, supervisor, or her parent.

I am done.

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The danger to the mentally ill and alcoholics....please? It's them (according to you) who may grope her. Not she who may grope them. If they can't control their impulses, they belong in prison or mental facility, not a homeless shelter.

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I think this is the point that should be made, as far as you've explained to us, this would be an 'outpatient' shelter. In other words, the people that stay in this shelter are also out on the streets they are not confined to the shelter. These mentally ill and drug abusers will run into 'sexualized' minors every day out on the streets. If they can't control their impulses under the strict rules and less strict supervision of the shelter, why would they under the much less controlled atmosphere of the outside world?

With all that said, I understand these facilities tend to create a 'reality unto themselves', i was in an 'alternative program' through high school in a place that had both outpatient and residential programs for 'trouble youth'(i was outpatient so returned home daily) and i did some things while there that wouldn't have been acceptable in 'civilized society', but that does not excuse those behaviors and many i SHOULD have been prosecuted for.

I agree with the person i quoted, if they are a risk of sexually assaulting a minor just because she is wearing tight fitting clothing, they need to be in jail or a residental mental health facility, not an outpatient shelter.

[QUOTE=Mephis;773796][QUOTE=FLee;773793]You have to tell the authorities, not the offender, of evidence of criminal activity. Yes?[QUOTE]

She has not committed a crime.[QUOTE]

Agreed. No one committed a crime. However, if a person is aware that a parent is abusing a child, possibly prostituting a child, then the evidence of the crime of child neglect, child endangerment, or child prostitution would not be presented to the suspected offender. I'm not sure why she was dressed as she was, but the content of the child's conversation with me did not reveal that she was looking to have sex with anyone for money.

The central question I would like to have answered is this:

Is the criminal offense and potential penalty of grabbing the ass of a 17 year-old minor female substantially different from the criminal offense and potential penalty of grabbing the ass of an adult female?

Society is very energized to assure that any sexual offense against a child by those in power (religious authorities, coaches, school teachers, etc.) is reported and prosecuted. Therefore, there is no protection of powerless males against any prosecution, regardless of how minimally justified, for an offense against a minor. Where in the sex offender registry is there a space for the offender to say he didn't know she was 17 because 17 year-olds aren't allowed in the adult section of the shelter, and that he was insane or extremely intoxicated at the time? As importantly, where in the process between offense and conviction is there anyone who can say the process should be stopped because the legal and social consequences to the offender are far out of proportion to the offense? I believe it's very dangerous to bring a minor female into an adult area of shelter... very dangerous to the males there.

Have you seen how many hot-spot restaurants dress their employees? Many places will only hire the 21-28 year old crowd. And dress them in spandex short-shorts and a skin tight top, ala Hooters. Does that make it right to grope the waitress? Of course not.

I worked as a bartender for 2 hours at one place. I had to borrow clothes from a friend - the outfit was - sheesh, my bikini covers more. If someone bought a shot, I had to yell "It's shot time!" and flash my boobs. You know what? The men still treated me with respect. No one tried to grope me.

Point being: As the above poster stated - these mentally ill people and alcoholics/druggies are going to encounter it anywhere out of the shelter. What about the teenager wearing pants that say "JUICY" to the grocery store? How about a person with such tight pants that they have a "camel toe"? And let's put that in reverse - how about the male "free balling" in sweat pants at a store? Does he deserve to be groped?

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Quoting FatherKnowsBest

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I agree with the person i quoted, if they are a risk of sexually assaulting a minor just because she is wearing tight fitting clothing, they need to be in jail or a residental mental health facility, not an outpatient shelter.

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Minors aren't permitted in the adult area of the shelter.

If she looks like a college intern and an alcoholic or schizophrenic gropes her, then is he guilty of wrongly touching an adult female, or a minor child?

Are you going to stand up and say the police should not be called?

The child can't say she's okay and not to call the police because she is a child.

The parent can say the police should not be called, but then that means the police might have to be called twice... once because the minor was groped and once because the parent tried to stop the incident from being reported.

How do you stop the legal process once the minor's ass is grabbed, even if the offender thought she was an adult?

What's the life expectancy of an alcoholic or schizophrenic once he is placed on the registered sex offender list?