Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
I said I would not be posting again. I was wrong.
That is EXACTLY what you were saying. The fact that you are unable (or unwilling) to see that you are saying it only proves my point.
And you didn't read my initial post very carefully, did you?
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
Doesn't matter if she comes in wearing a thong bikini and singing Happy Birthday Mr. President.
Grabbing anyone's behind, shapely or not in this scenario will result in anything from being banned from the facility, misdemeanor charge of battery or even a felony offense depending on circumstances such as fear, implied threats or coercion; and if the it is the last category then yes a Prosecutor could even push to have them placed on the Sex Offender Registry.
If you are that concerned about the mentally ill, chemically dependent or even the 17 year old then voice your concern to the mother or shelter supervisor.
A last word of advise is if the cops do get called, and they determine an arrest is warranted then no, neither you nor anyone else can "stop the arrest" trying to do so can see you in a neighboring cell.
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
You are wrong if you think the difference between committing sexual assault is whether the victim is 17 or 18. The only difference might be in the penalty.
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
If you feel so concerned for this girl....maybe you should express that with the parent who brings her to the shelter?
"Ma'am, I have a concern about your daughters safety here when she is wearing such tight fitting clothes, and there are drunk/insane people here who may think about touching her.....Perhaps you could have her wear less form fitting clothes around here?"
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
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If you feel so concerned for this girl....maybe you should express that with the parent who brings her to the shelter?
"Ma'am, I have a concern about your daughters safety here when she is wearing such tight fitting clothes, and there are drunk/insane people here who may think about touching her.....Perhaps you could have her wear less form fitting clothes around here?"
And why would the OP do that? Then he wouldn't be able to get his rocks off...
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
Well, since he claims no plans for her.....it would be the drunks, etc.......
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Yeah, that is my point.
Grab-assing an adult female is wrong. Grab-assing a 17 year-old in black spandex is wrong too, but it is an entirely different type of offense from a legal standpoint. The sex offender registry won't say that the girl was nearly 18, was physically mature, and was wearing black spandex leotards with nothing over her ass.
You're pretty moronic cbg for attempting to imply that I was saying it was okay to grab a woman's ass based upon what she is wearing. I wasn't saying it was right. I was saying the likelihood of mistaking the child for a woman was increased by the child's clothing, which was black spandex tights. In a chaotic place filled with men, some of whom are mentally ill or substance abusers, that's a very dangerous thing... for the men moreso than the girl. Gotta run.
Here's my .02 ....Lee is FAR to worried about what "others" may or may not do...
Your in VA...I'm a former Police Officer in Va...here the age of consent is 16....regardless touching the rear,genital area or breast of a woman is SEXUAL ASSAULT.... Period end if story
If the individuals housed here cannot control themselves than so be it and yes they deserve to be on the registry. I have a 17 year old college bound daughter...how she dresses while volunteering is irrelevant .....men who are to weak or incapable of controlling impulses need to be supervised vigorously. To much of your posts make my hair stand up...don't like it? Tough
You sound like your speaking for yourself or looking to blame a victim... No....touch a young lady dressed anyway unwanted and expect a serious charge with high bail if any and also expect poor treatment by inmates at your receiving facility
Good luck to you
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Not worried about that. They kick people into the cold for failing to shut the f up.
I just don't want any of the mentally ill or alcoholic guys to land on a sex offender registry for acting impulsively with a female who is technically a child but is physically mature, very attractive, and dressed in spandex that reveals every detail of her very shapely ass.
And just who are you in this situation? You seem to be oddly attracted to a minor ... kinda creepy.
Even if we assume that she was an ADULT, unwanted touching of the butt, breasts, or elsewhere can result in criminal charges and (depending on the law in VA) might end up with a sex offender registration. Even an adult cannot be subjected to unwanted physical accosting. So, you're way off base here - there IS NO LEGAL JUSTIFICATION for some idiot's actions. And, no, unless the shelter has a dress code or requires volunteers or visitors to sign a waiver of some kind that essentially states they understand that they can be assaulted at any time by the clients, you can't tell her to leave just because YOU find her underage butt enticing.
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Who could say that the police should not be called if an adult male grabbed the child's ass?
They could very well be! Heck, they could be called in for grabbing an adult GUY's ass!
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Who on the police force could say that an arrest should not be made once the evidence revealed the crime?
Why would they NOT make the arrest?
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Who in the prosecutor's office could not bring charges?
Any ADA assigned to the office could choose NOT to pursue the matter.
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Yeah, that is my point.
Grab-assing an adult female is wrong. Grab-assing a 17 year-old in black spandex is wrong too, but it is an entirely different type of offense from a legal standpoint. The sex offender registry won't say that the girl was nearly 18, was physically mature, and was wearing black spandex leotards with nothing over her ass.
You're pretty moronic cbg for attempting to imply that I was saying it was okay to grab a woman's ass based upon what she is wearing. I wasn't saying it was right. I was saying the likelihood of mistaking the child for a woman was increased by the child's clothing, which was black spandex tights. In a chaotic place filled with men, some of whom are mentally ill or substance abusers, that's a very dangerous thing... for the men moreso than the girl. Gotta run.
This is one the most manure-laden responses I've ever seen here.
Do you believe a spandex-wearing rape victim was "asking for it" ? That the rapist just couldn't help himself because of that spandex?
Re: Adult Male Stranger Who Wrongly Touches Female Minor is Guilty
No, not creepy at all. I'm an older guy with family plans, and my future children will require at least one parent who is physically strong and who has a good life expectancy. That means I am searching for a young woman, and I must stay relevant to women of a younger generation.
My point is that homeless people are not perfect, which means there might be scuffles and misconduct between strangers that should not involve the police. However with scandals in religious organizations, sports organizations, and schools, it's almost impossible for anyone to not act, arrest, or prosecute when the victim is a minor, even a tall, physically mature 17 year-old wearing nothing but spandex over her ass -- in the adult area of the shelter. A schizophrenic or alcoholic man who lands on a sex offender registry has pretty much received a death sentence. Despite these facts, no one here seems outraged at the risk to the homeless men.