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  • 12-12-2013, 03:24 PM
    Redstone
    Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: Florida.

    I was fully parked at a stop sign line. There was another car in front of me waiting for traffic to clear to turn. When he turned. I waited about 1-2 seconds and then made my turn. I was then pulled over by a police officer stating that I needed to pull forward then stop, even though I was already fully stopped on the stop sign line. My turn did not cause the officer to make any invasive actions that I was aware of nor did he state that he had too (he was maybe 5-6 car lengths away). Was the police officer correct in his judgement?

    (2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.
  • 12-12-2013, 03:50 PM
    That Guy
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
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    Was the police officer correct in his judgement?

    Who's story do you want us to base our answer on? Your story that you were AT the line? Or his story that you apparently had some room to still move forward, stop at the line and then proceed through?
  • 12-12-2013, 04:03 PM
    Redstone
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
    If I were able to get a copy of his dash cam, if he had one. That showed me at the line. Would that make any difference in this case?
  • 12-12-2013, 04:17 PM
    jk
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    If I were able to get a copy of his dash cam, if he had one. That showed me at the line. Would that make any difference in this case?

    I would think so. You say you complied with the law. He says you didn't. The video would show the facts without judgment.


    Were there any other cars at the intersection? like, maybe one that the cop figured had ROW over you?
  • 12-12-2013, 04:46 PM
    Redstone
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
    It was a 3-way intersection (T-shaped). The horizontal lane was a single lane (2-way street). The vertical lane was three lanes with one for incoming traffic and two for left/right turns. There was a truck about halfway across the line on the left lane. I was on the right lane with a car in front. Now I'm pretty sure I was on the line, but I would need that video footage to verify if it can even see the front of my car from behind the truck. I had a clear view of oncoming traffic where I was. Otherwise I would have done the dance of pull forward and stop until I could actually see oncoming traffic.

    If I wasn't on the line, I'll just pay the fee and take the online course. But if I can avoid it all together, I would like to.
  • 12-12-2013, 05:34 PM
    Disagreeable
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
    Wow, you went from being positive where your car was to not sure in 3 posts. I can see how you received a ticket.
  • 12-12-2013, 07:48 PM
    That Guy
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
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    I had a clear view of oncoming traffic where I was. Otherwise I would have done the dance of pull forward and stop until I could actually see oncoming traffic.

    So you did have room to move forward and stop... Just that you did not think you needed to because you could see oncoming traffic!
  • 12-13-2013, 06:56 AM
    Redstone
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
    You guys are pretty quick to judge there. All I'm saying is I need the video to verify. People like to keep pulling forward at that intersection because the other cars get in the way. If your alone at the line you can see traffic.
  • 12-13-2013, 07:44 AM
    llworking
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
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    You guys are pretty quick to judge there. All I'm saying is I need the video to verify. People like to keep pulling forward at that intersection because the other cars get in the way. If your alone at the line you can see traffic.

    I do think though that you are misunderstanding how a stop sign works. If there was a car stopped in front of you, then you needed to pull forward and stop again before proceeding.
  • 12-13-2013, 08:44 AM
    jk
    Re: Proper Stop Sign Procedure for Second Car at Stop Line
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    I do think though that you are misunderstanding how a stop sign works. If there was a car stopped in front of you, then you needed to pull forward and stop again before proceeding.

    Not necessarily. If one is actually AT the stop bar there is no need or requirement to stop again before moving through the intersection. I am often faced with a situation where the yahoo in front of me stops so far into the intersection that I can stop at the stop line when I first pull up. I still have to consider who has right of way which can sometimes be a bit confusing but there is no need to pull any further forward and stop again before proceeding through the intersection.


    with the op he has suddenly become very unsure as to whether he was actually at the line or not. Not sure why that would be but if he is unsure, he surely isn't going to convince a court he was.

    and the cops dash cam: IF he has one; IF it was recording at the needed time; and IF it was actually where you were visible it would prove it one way or another. Since most cop cams don't run until the lights come on, it is not likely there is a video that will help.
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