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In case it needs to be spelled out...
Nothing illegal happened here.
Would you like some coffee? :cool:
(Btw - it was I who used the word "obnoxious". As in, "I wasn't harmed, I suffered no damages but I want to tie up the courts anyway because my feelings were hurt and they didn't give me any coffee" obnoxiousness)
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Why, oh why, is anyone wasting any time with such obvious trolling?
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JK - no, still don't know what you mean. I'm really trying to figure it out. So far, all I can figure out is that you are an anti and you probably feel the same way as these sheep - that the "average citizen" doesn't need to carry a gun, therefore, in your opinion, based on your beliefs, you feel I am an idiot and this is clear as day to you. You're correct on the law - I just subscribe to the belief that it's better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6. So unless there is a sign specifically prohibiting me from carrying in a specific location (and of course all the federally protected locations), I am carrying. Some private property owner wants to kick me out, well that's fine and I will leave. BUT until then...
By the way, whoever changed the title of this post to "Treated With Suspicion Because I Asked If I Could Bring a Gun to a Hearing" is an idiot - as that is NOT what I asked. I asked if there was a secure way to check my weapon at the facility before attending the hearing.
The ironic thing here is that here I am, acting like a responsible and law abiding citizen. Checking with an establishment prior to arrival about their (or lack thereof) procedures, etc.
This was PRIVATE property, which I verified after the fact. CareerLink is not a State run or funded agency. So in actuality, I was completely entitled and legally able to carry my gun right on my hip into the building, and in fact, in to the hearing, as there are no State laws or Federal laws prohibiting this. So if there are no laws prohibiting a specific activity, and a bunch of sheeple decide that they need to surround me, make me feel uncomfortable, and embarrass me simple for being a law-abiding citizen, I don't see how this was all appropriate. My damages were pain and suffering.
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PADriver13;761022]JK - no, still don't know what you mean.
I get what ya mean ;)
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So far, all I can figure out is that you are an anti and you probably feel the same way as these sheep - that the "average citizen" doesn't need to carry a gun,
actually carrying a pistol is quite common in my circles in life. No, I am not anti-gun
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you feel I am an idiot and this is clear as day to you.
actually, believe it or not, depending on the laws pertaining to you being able to carry into the venue in question, possibly just the opposite.
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So unless there is a sign specifically prohibiting me from carrying in a specific location (and of course all the federally protected locations), I am carrying
. well I think you might want to reference the law before doing that.
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By the way, whoever changed the title of this post to "Treated With Suspicion Because I Asked If I Could Bring a Gun to a Hearing" is an idiot - as that is NOT what I asked
.actually, in effect, that is what you asked.
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This was PRIVATE property, which I verified after the fact. CareerLink is not a State run or funded agency.
but the fact they were engaging in state activities, either there are state employees there or they are a de facto public entity. I have not searched the issue but that could make a difference to what laws apply.
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So in actuality, I was completely entitled and legally able to carry my gun right on my hip into the building, and in fact, in to the hearing, as there are no State laws or Federal laws prohibiting this.
not so fast there bucky. What city was this in?
and do you have a CCP?
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My damages were pain and suffering.
you had no damages as they did nothing wrong.
If you are really this dumb, you have no business carrying a weapon either open or concealed. If you aren't as dumb as you are sounding, you will realize why what happened happened, know what I mean?
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well I think you might want to reference the law before doing that.
The law is clear (at least in PA). Laws tell us what we CANNOT do, correct? There are no laws telling us what we CAN do. Therefore, if there is no law prohibiting the activity of carrying a gun, what's the problem? The issues arises with private property, because the owner gets to make the decision. This creates a myriad of issues and it's practically impossible to be aware of every possible circumstance. That is what I was referencing. I will choose to carry a gun as long as I have not been specifically told that it is a prohibited action. (I am not referencing so-called "protected places").
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actually, in effect, that is what you asked.
What I called and specifically asked was if there were secure lock-boxes or other arrangements for legally-carrying citizens. If that wasn't clear in my OP, my apologies. I never asked if it was "ok for me to bring a gun to a hearing". That implies I'd like to carry a gun into the "courtroom" and have it with me during the proceeding. Obviously, this is not what I was asking. Furthermore, this location isn't a court facility, and a private company that is contracted by the State does not give them any additional rights (as far as I can tell from reading PA firearm law).
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but the fact they were engaging in state activities, either there are state employees there or they are a de facto public entity. I have not searched the issue but that could make a difference to what laws apply.
I disagree. Simply being "engaged in state activities" does not grant a private company (CareerLink) additional protections. Let's look at it this way - in the State of PA, any municipal/township/borough/county/federal Courthouse is obligated by LAW to make accommodations for gun carriers. These accommodations almost universally mean lock-boxes. Now, considering that the "hearing" (again, it's not an actual hearing right? There is no prosecutor or actual judge). Just a referee hired by the State. This leads me back to my initial point. Knowing that this was not federally (or State) protected property, I should not have even bothered to call and ask. Calling and asking was the mistake, correct? If anything, this would fall under private property issues, meaning that the actual building owner would have been the only authorized individual to file a complaint against me for carrying a gun. Had this been the case, I would have had two options: 1) leave the gun in my car or 2) refuse to leave and face defiant trespassing.
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not so fast there bucky. What city was this in?
A large city in Lehigh County
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and do you have a CCP?
No. PA does not have CCPs. We have LTCF, which is a License to Carry a Firearm. In PA, no license is needed to carry a weapon openly. You must, however, have a LTCF to convey a firearm (except to/from excluded locations - doesn't apply here) or to carry a firearm that is not openly visible (i.e. concealed). I DO have a LTCF.
I also think that the PA UFA (Uniform Firearm Act) plays in here. Basically, the UFA says that no local municipality may enact regulation that directly contradicts State law. In other words, a local municipality cannot prohibit firearms in a municipal park, because there is no State law already existing to prohibit such activity.
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you had no damages as they did nothing wrong.
What about being told that I could not have a firearm on the property? That is incorrect according to my research (IANAL), which is why I'm asking for opinions here.
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If you are really this dumb, you have no business carrying a weapon either open or concealed. If you aren't as dumb as you are sounding, you will realize why what happened happened, know what I mean?
Well, unfortunately, the Bill of Rights are not just afforded to those who JK on ExpertLaw.com feels are smart enough to be entitled to.
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Would you like us to type in a few different languages on the off-chance you may understand one?
You seem to be having problems with basic English.
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Other languages are not necessary. Just maybe some straight talk rather than innuendo after innuendo about how dumb I am and how I should understand this better. Obviously, I do not. Obviously, the info I have received here is contradictory to other information I have received.
I don't understand how being told I could not do something that was not illegal, by someone who did not have the authority to make the demand, is not a civil rights issue.
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PADriver13;761067]The law is clear (at least in PA). Laws tell us what we CANNOT do, correct? There are no laws telling us what we CAN do. Therefore, if there is no law prohibiting the activity of carrying a gun, what's the problem?
well since you didn't want to answer all of the questions, that cannot be determined in your situation.
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I disagree. Simply being "engaged in state activities" does not grant a private company (CareerLink) additional protections. Let's look at it this way - in the State of PA, any municipal/township/borough/county/federal Courthouse is obligated by LAW to make accommodations for gun carriers
. they do? Go ahead and site that law for me.
These accommodations almost universally mean lock-boxes. Now, considering that the "hearing" (again, it's not an actual hearing right? There is no prosecutor or actual judge).
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Just a referee hired by the State. This leads me back to my initial point. Knowing that this was not federally (or State) protected property,
You haven't proven it isn't.
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A large city in Lehigh County
that is not the city and the city makes a HUGE difference.
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No. PA does not have CCPs. We have LTCF, which is a License to Carry a Firearm.In PA, no license is needed to carry a weapon openly. You must, however, have a LTCF to convey a firearm (except to/from excluded locations - doesn't apply here) or to carry a firearm that is not openly visible (i.e. concealed). I DO have a LTCF.
seriosly dude, you are going to argue about terminology? Your LTCF IS a CCP and even you have proven that by saying one is required if you wish to carry a weapon, dare I say it, CONCEALED?
I also think that the PA UFA (Uniform Firearm Act) plays in here. Basically, the UFA says that no local municipality may enact regulation that directly contradicts State law. In other words, a local municipality cannot prohibit firearms in a municipal park, because there is no State law already existing to prohibit such activity.
What about being told that I could not have a firearm on the property? That is incorrect according to my research (IANAL), which is why I'm asking for opinions here.
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Well, unfortunately, the Bill of Rights are not just afforded to those who JK on ExpertLaw.com feels are smart enough to be entitled to
well, you know what? I was the only one on your side but you want to be an ass so hop on down the street buddy. What I had isn't going to show up on this forum.
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What about being told that I could not have a firearm on the property?
what about it? What money did you lose. Beyond that, are you saying a private entity cannot prohibit you from possessing a gun in their property? I'll let you chase the laws and post the supporting law if you can find it.
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I don't understand how being told I could not do something that was not illegal, by someone who did not have the authority to make the demand, is not a civil rights issue.
as you said:
because there is no law that says a PRIVATE ENTITY saying they cannot make the demand.
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Other languages are not necessary. Just maybe some straight talk rather than innuendo after innuendo about how dumb I am and how I should understand this better. Obviously, I do not. Obviously, the info I have received here is contradictory to other information I have received.
I don't understand how being told I could not do something that was not illegal, by someone who did not have the authority to make the demand, is not a civil rights issue.
I tell my kids they're not banging on my door at 8am unless they're burning or bleeding.
Your point?
Sore feelings don't count. I believe I was more than clear earlier on, incidentally.
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Oh, btw, this part:
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Your office is paying rent as a tenant to the building owner. CareerLink is not a State organization. This isn't a Post Office. I explain to the judge that I think she is mistaken, and that I think it is inappropriate to be discussing this prior to our unemployment hearing.
renting an office does make it property under the control of the state i.e. state property.
Don't know if that changes anything because I'm not chasing laws for you but you must use the proper definitions to achieve an accurate interpretation.