Fighting Grandparents Visitation

You don't care about the law? Then go start a discussion in "debate the issues" or "banter".

If you cannot distinguish the law from "semantic" discussion, and are too dim to read the cases mentioned in this thread (or understand as basic a concept as federal supremacy), it's past time for you to stop polluting this thread.

I am sympathetic for all the reasons you mentioned which is why at first I allowed my children contact....some grandparents though are not healthy for kids to be around & I care more about my kids upbringing/adjustment than I do the grandparents feelings. We are given a gift & responsibilty as parents to raise those in our care & if I feel someone is 'toxic' to that upbringing I am not going to allow contact.

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Quoting Mr. Knowitall

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You don't care about the law? Then go start a discussion in "debate the issues" or "banter".

If you cannot distinguish the law from "semantic" discussion, and are too dim to read the cases mentioned in this thread (or understand as basic a concept as federal supremacy), it's past time for you to stop polluting this thread.

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Not quite what I said. Perhaps subtleties are lost on you. I'll be more direct.

In every post I've read by you, I sense a very authoritative tone so much so that, if anyone disagrees with you in the slightest, you are rudely dismissive of what they have to say. Perhaps they are right; perhaps you are. But you are not ALWAYS correct. It is still worthwhile to at least consider another person's opinion.

A few years back, when I was new to family law, I asked a question to which you responded. I countered your assertions with my own statements, and you rudely dismissed what I had to say as you seem to like to do. You vehemently told me that I was the one who was incorrect. It was not a "what do you think will happen"/opinion type question. It was a question that had a direct, yes or no, legal answer. Your response so disrespectfully given to me was in fact completely opposite of the legal truth. My statements were correct, though I did not know it then. Ever since then, I take what you have to say with a (very large) grain of salt. You may be correct some of the time, maybe even 99% of the time, but I KNOW you are not right all of the time. I can respect that out of people who can admit that. Your attitude says you cannot, inasmuch as an attitude can come across in an internet forum. Perhaps you consider your posts to my thread at that time "pollution?"


All that to say, llworking's post is decent food for thought, worth considering, and if I were her, I'd probably trust my sources, too, over what you had to say.

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Quoting 4mom

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I am sympathetic for all the reasons you mentioned which is why at first I allowed my children contact....some grandparents though are not healthy for kids to be around & I care more about my kids upbringing/adjustment than I do the grandparents feelings. We are given a gift & responsibilty as parents to raise those in our care & if I feel someone is 'toxic' to that upbringing I am not going to allow contact.

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You may find that you have no choice based on the laws in your state. Your kids are really too young for their opinions to hold much weight with the Court.

Have you spoken to a local attorney? Because if you truly want to fight this, it isn't a do it yourself task, and moving out of state solely to frustrate their ability to obtain visitation (if they can prove this is the impetus for your move) could come back to bite you in the end.

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Quoting EA1070a

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You may find that you have no choice based on the laws in your state. Your kids are really too young for their opinions to hold much weight with the Court.

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I disagree. The children's opinions are indicative as to whether or not it would harm them to have a lack of the grandparents in their lives. Yes, they are young, but again, look at the best interest standards.

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Have you spoken to a local attorney? Because if you truly want to fight this, it isn't a do it yourself task, and moving out of state solely to frustrate their ability to obtain visitation (if they can prove this is the impetus for your move) could come back to bite you in the end.

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Give an example of how it could come back to bite them in the end.

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Quoting llworking

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I disagree. The children's opinions are indicative as to whether or not it would harm them to have a lack of the grandparents in their lives. Yes, they are young, but again, look at the best interest standards.

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You can disagree until you're blue in the face, however as OP stated, "3 oldest were interviewed by the court & expressed their feelings of not wanting contact but it was just basically brushed off."

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Give an example of how it could come back to bite them in the end.

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And I am under no duty to explain anything to you re: how it can come back to bite her in the end. This conversation has become circuitous and the original poster has obtained about all the decent information here she's going to get. The best thing she could do would be to get her hiney to a LAWYER in the jurisdiction where this matter is being heard if she wants to fight it successfully.

Thank you all for your input. I do have an attorney I've been working with through this whole process. I just wondered what thoughts were out there concerning relocating in order to protect my kids. It isn't my first option but I was looking in all directions.

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Quoting 4mom

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Thank you all for your input. I do have an attorney I've been working with through this whole process. I just wondered what thoughts were out there concerning relocating in order to protect my kids. It isn't my first option but I was looking in all directions.

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Ok, if you are working with an attorney you absolutely have to discuss this idea / plan with the person who is representing you. Your lawyer knows much more about your case, your courts, your judges, etc. and is in the best position to thoroughly explain how those assigned to hear your case would view moving out of state to try to prevent the grandparent's petition for visitation from being granted.

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Quoting FatherWhoWon

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Not quite what I said. Perhaps subtleties are lost on you. I'll be more direct.

In every post I've read by you, I sense a very authoritative tone so much so that, if anyone disagrees with you in the slightest, you are rudely dismissive of what they have to say. Perhaps they are right; perhaps you are. But you are not ALWAYS correct. It is still worthwhile to at least consider another person's opinion.

A few years back, when I was new to family law, I asked a question to which you responded. I countered your assertions with my own statements, and you rudely dismissed what I had to say as you seem to like to do. You vehemently told me that I was the one who was incorrect. It was not a "what do you think will happen"/opinion type question. It was a question that had a direct, yes or no, legal answer. Your response so disrespectfully given to me was in fact completely opposite of the legal truth. My statements were correct, though I did not know it then. Ever since then, I take what you have to say with a (very large) grain of salt. You may be correct some of the time, maybe even 99% of the time, but I KNOW you are not right all of the time. I can respect that out of people who can admit that. Your attitude says you cannot, inasmuch as an attitude can come across in an internet forum. Perhaps you consider your posts to my thread at that time "pollution?"


All that to say, llworking's post is decent food for thought, worth considering, and if I were her, I'd probably trust my sources, too, over what you had to say.

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Just because someone isn't all sweetness and light doesn't mean they don't know their stuff.

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Quoting EA1070a

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Just because someone isn't all sweetness and light doesn't mean they don't know their stuff.

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Just because they aren't doesn't mean they do.

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Quoting FatherWhoWon

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Just because they aren't doesn't mean they do.

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I just read through the threads that you started and saw exactly ONE response by Mr. KIA that was in no way, shape or form abrasive. In this thread he has consistently cited relevant case law.

Maybe you should reread through the topics you started and remove that chip.

Experience as a litigant in the family law courts doesn't automatically mean that one knows how to identify relevant issues, research statutory law and case law, and proffer an intelligent opinion based on those skills.

If you have an issue with someone, hit the ignore button instead of making a bunch of ridiculous attacks.