Will Gay Marriage Result in Emancipation

"Religionistas?" :wallbang:

Let's not turn this into name-calling. Some of us do happen to hold considered opinions on the other side of this coin, and I'd hate to engage in the sort of emotional melee that might ensue should we engage in a discussion of whether homosexual marriage is right or wrong. I'll hold MY tongue if you agree to hold yours.

Then there are others in this state that support traditional values that only recognize a marriage as being between a man and a woman. I believe same sex marriage is a bit like mixing business and pleasure. Next up... Woman marries Sybian. BTW, I have many bisexual and gay/lesbian friends.

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Quoting LawResearcherMissy

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My idiot state has refused to recognize same-sex marriages since Massachusetts first legalized them. The legislature and religionistas even went so far as to amend our state constitution to outright ban same sex marriages and the recognition of those performed in other states/countries.

The tide is slowly turning, but the earliest we're going to see any movement is 2014, when we expect to get a repeal of that horrid amendment on the ballot.

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It's also possible to accept Biblical based Christianity and still be accepting of gay marriage. I don't live by the dietary rules in Leviticus, either.

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Quoting cbg

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It's also possible to accept Biblical based Christianity and still be accepting of gay marriage. I don't live by the dietary rules in Leviticus, either.

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Uh ... I will refrain ... I hope others will, to, lest we engage in an argument that will NOT be of any benefit to the board.

Or, take the discussion of the right and wrong of it to the "debate" folder where such a discussion can exist in the bliss of those who choose to engage in it.

I have an enormous amount of respect for you, Carl, but as you yourself suggested, I'll not make judgments on your beliefs if you'll not do so on mine.

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Quoting cbg

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I have an enormous amount of respect for you, Carl, but as you yourself suggested, I'll not make judgments on your beliefs if you'll not do so on mine.

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I did NOT do any such thing. I replied to the term "religionistas" ... no comment was made on your beliefs whatever they might be.

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I'll hold MY tongue if you agree to hold yours.

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I most certainly will NOT.

The Founders based this country on the premise that ALL are created equal. I don't care what your god or anyone else's god has to say about marriage Any marriage.. (My gods are silent on the topic, mostly. Essentially, their position is "whatever blows your hair back".)

So, the Founders say that we are all equal. Their word is literally law here, not ANYONE'S religious beliefs. If we are all equal, then ALL of us are entitled to ALL of the rights.

You are welcome to your religious beliefs. The First Amendment guarantees that. But your religious beliefs do not govern me, and they bloody well WILL NOT govern this country, or I will be more than happy to instigate whatever means necessary, up to and including bloody revolution, to keep our government and laws religiously neutral. Religion has no place in government.

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Quoting LawResearcherMissy

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I most certainly will NOT.

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This is supposed to be a legal forum, not a forum to denigrate the beliefs of others as you intended with your comment. If you wish to get into a discussion or an argument on the morality of homosexuality or gay marriage, we can take it to a debate folder, but it has NO PLACE here.

Yes, you have free speech as do I. But, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE to engage in such a discussion as it will inevitably result in hurt feelings, banning or suspensions from this board for some of us, and will result in nothing good for this board.

As I said, if you want to discuss this, we can take it to a more appropriate place. This is not it.

Sugar, I don't CARE about your idea of the "morality" of marriage.

I care about the LEGALITY. If the Founders, the writers of our original law, say that we are all equal, why should it be legal to declare some people more equal than others? All citizens are equal, therefore all people get all of the rights.

It ain't rocket science. It's simple law. Either we're all equal under the law or we're not. If we're not, the reason needs to be better than "my god said".

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Quoting LawResearcherMissy

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Sugar, I don't CARE about your idea of the "morality" of marriage.

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Honey, apparently you do. Since you felt the need to denigrate those who think other than you do with the little jab about "religionistas" ... or was that a failed attempt at humor? Yeah, I know, it's socially and politically acceptable to take pops at those who hold certain religious values, but it doesn't mean we need to sit and take it in silence.

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I care about the LEGALITY. If the Founders, the writers of our original law, say that we are all equal, why should it be legal to declare some people more equal than others? All citizens are equal, therefore all people get all of the rights.

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No one - certainly not I - said you should not post on the legal issues involved. But, it would be best to keep to the legal issues involved rather than a jab at those whose values you do not agree with.