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  • 06-02-2013, 07:50 PM
    fasteddie911
    Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    My question involves a traffic citation from the state of: Hawaii

    I received a parking ticket the other for parking in a "No parking Anytime" area. The area I parked in is between 2 driveways, approximately 40ft apart. There was a "No Parking Anytime" sign at the edge of one driveway, but I parked near the other driveway. On the opposite side of the driveway I parked near, there was another "No parking anytime" sign. I've always seen these signs and I thought they were a bit ambiguous because they do not define the area that there is no parking allowed. Would this be something I could contest on the grounds that the sign was not specific? For all I know, it could have meant that the no parking area was for the immediate area of that sign. Obviously I knew of the risk of parking there, but this is also something I've always wondered about and I could not find any information regarding this type of sign. Btw, there was no other indication that this was a no parking zone, no colored curb, etc.

    Thanks!
  • 06-02-2013, 07:58 PM
    jk
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    any paint on the curb?
  • 06-02-2013, 08:05 PM
    fasteddie911
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
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    any paint on the curb?

    No paint on the curb.
  • 06-02-2013, 08:43 PM
    jk
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    I can't find anything for Hawaii at the moment but generally, if there is no definition along with the sign or curb markings, it is as simple as: no parking on that side of the street at any time.
  • 06-03-2013, 01:28 AM
    fasteddie911
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    Can a sign be that ambiguous yet still hold up legally? I've seen these types of signs everywhere, and it tends to show up for short spans of curb(between 2 driveways perhaps), and the sign seems to imply that there is no parking anywhere along that short span of curb. In any case, could I argue that the sign is too ambiguous and there is no law indicating that where I parked pertained to that sign?
  • 06-24-2013, 02:57 AM
    HILEO
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    I'm a police officer in Hawaii. Parking signs are actually pretty simple in Hawaii compared to some of the other places I've been. Where there are "No parking anytime" signs there is usually one with the word "Begin" to mark where the zone begins and another marked "End" to show that after that sign it is legal to park. All no parking sign denote that you cannot park along that curb from adjacent to that sign to the next sign that denotes the no parking zone has ended.
  • 06-24-2013, 03:27 AM
    fasteddie911
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    Quote:

    Quoting HILEO
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    I'm a police officer in Hawaii. Parking signs are actually pretty simple in Hawaii compared to some of the other places I've been. Where there are "No parking anytime" signs there is usually one with the word "Begin" to mark where the zone begins and another marked "End" to show that after that sign it is legal to park. All no parking sign denote that you cannot park along that curb from adjacent to that sign to the next sign that denotes the no parking zone has ended.

    I'm aware of those particular signs you're referring too, but this sign definitely only said "No Parking Anytime", with no reference to the begin/end. I've seen these types of signs elsewhere on the island, typically in residential areas. It's great to hear an officers take on this as I am really curious about this.

    Thanks
  • 06-24-2013, 06:55 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Non-Specific No Parking Sign
    Did you challenge the ticket? Without our being able to see the signs or layout it's unlikely that we'll be able to offer any more suggestions than those you've already heard (i.e., not much).
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