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  • 04-25-2013, 07:38 PM
    cbg
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
    You are a kid. If I want to call you that, I will.

    By saying that the university is "trumping" city law, you are saying that city law grants you the right to lock your bike there. The best possible interpretation of the city law that can be placed on it is that you are permitted to lock your bike to there as long as you comply with all conditions. Under NO interpretation are you guaranteed the right to leave it there. Therefore, there is no city law being trumped because the city's permission to leave the bike there is not absolute.
  • 04-25-2013, 07:42 PM
    jk
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
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    Does that mean that all behavior is assumed to be illegal until it's declared to be legal, or is it the other way around?

    Also, please answer the other questions.

    And don't call me "kid" or any other condescending terms.

    to me, you are a kid. It is not a condescending term, a disparaging term, or a derogatory term. You need to settle down so you are not expelled from school because it sounds like you really need to continue your education so you can figure out your ass from a hole in the ground. (and yes, that was a condescending statement)

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    : a young person; especially:child —often used as a generalized reference to one especially younger or less experienced <the kid on the pro golf tour><poor kid>
    your question about what is legal or illegal. I said exactly the opposite of what you just asked.

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    1. Do I have a legal right to an appeal and hearing as I would if I was handed a city citation?
    only if the rules of the school say you do

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    2. Because it's a public university is it public property, private property, or some weird gray area?
    private property. A State school is one subsidized by the state and often governed by state administrators. It is not owned by the state. Just a continuation; even when dealing with actual public property, you still must comply with any rules or laws put in place by the governing entity. Public property doesn't mean it is "your" and you get to do anything you want to do.


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    3. If I wasn't a student would the university still have the authority to issue me a ticket, claiming that I should have read the student handbook before biking through a public university?
    yes, they would. Could they enforce it? Likely not unless there was actually some notice of he rule given but along with that, they can demand you never set foot on their property again or face trespassing charges if you do.
  • 04-25-2013, 07:55 PM
    saltyd
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
    It's interesting how people try and make up for their own insecurities by going online and picking fights with random people that aren't looking to start anything.

    I don't feel that anyone has answered my questions to my satisfaction, citing the relevant law to back up their opinions.

    But I guess I'll find another forum where people don't compete to see who can be the most smug and patronizing person on the Internet.
  • 04-25-2013, 08:00 PM
    cbg
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
    The relevant law was posted. You just chose to ignore it because it doesn't support your position and we wouldn't rubber stamp your twisted interpretation. But I'll tell you what, kid.

    You go talk to a lawyer. Any lawyer you like. Tell him that since the city law does not expressly prohibit locking your bike to a street sign, the university is therefore blocked from making such a prohibition themselves, and if they do, they have to email you with a notice of such.

    Then come back and tell us how long it is before he stops laughing.
  • 04-25-2013, 08:02 PM
    Dogmatique
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
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    It's interesting how people try and make up for their own insecurities by going online and picking fights with random people that aren't looking to start anything.

    I don't feel that anyone has answered my questions to my satisfaction, citing the relevant law to back up their opinions.

    But I guess I'll find another forum where people don't compete to see who can be the most smug and patronizing person on the Internet.



    And this coming from the bratty child who insulted a bunch of people down the street, too?

    How ... interesting.
  • 04-25-2013, 08:09 PM
    jk
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
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    Tell him that since the city law does not expressly prohibit locking your bike to a street sign,
    .

    actually, I would be willing to put a buck on it there is such a law or at least one that is interpreted to outlaw the practice. I'm not going to go looking for it though because apparently I am smug and patronizing and I think that is what smug and patronizing people are supposed to do.
  • 04-25-2013, 08:11 PM
    cbg
    Re: What Gives a Public University the Right to Trump City Law
    I wouldn't be at all surprised.
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