Issues After Name Change

My question involves name change laws in the State of: Kentucky (and perhaps elsewhere, if applicable)


Was just wondering (and I did do a google search first but found nothing) if companies are required to change your name when you have a court order. I ask this because I have two companies (one is a doctors office and the other is best buy rewards zone) that are refusing to change my name. With the doctors office, this is becoming a confusing issue because they are sending over paperwork in my old name to my other doctors and they do not recognize whom it is for since my old name no longer exists in their records. This is even worse when I need to see a doctor for the first time. As for the Best Buy one, it becomes another issue.

I am just wondering why they can ignore a court order. To me, it seems like they think they can pick and choose what laws they follow and what they don't. Last I checked, a court order had to be followed or be held in contempt. Is it the same for this?

Thanks.

The court order does not direct them to do anything.e. They could call you bob whosamajammer if they wish.

actally with the doctors office you must realize they did not treat bob newname. They treated bob oldname. It would actually be wrong of them to change your name to your new name on the old records. With best buy, the can call you anything they want. If you don't like it, don't shop there. That is how you protest thei actions if you cannot get satisfaction otherwise.

Protest Best Buy? Really? Best Buy doesn't care about you. Protesting by not shopping there wouldn't get anything done (proof of this is the simple fact they recently lowered their return policy to 15 days).

I am a little shocked to hear that though. I know if a Judge gave a court order for me to, lets say, stay away from someone or someplace, if I did not follow that court order, I would be arrested and put in jail. How can a company not be held to the same? How is it NOT illegal? The old name is NOT my name anymore. That person does not exist. Also, my name was changed by the courts for my protection. With my old name being listed somewhere still, it will leave me open to issues, if the person my name was changed to protect me from figures it out. Also, your statement that a doctor cant change my name is incorrect as this is only 1 of my doctors that is refusing. 5 others have had no issue changing my name in their system, even on old records (keep in mind all of my doctors use electronic records so changing my name in the system, changes my name on ALL records, new and old).

Oh, that person exists alright.

Think about it.

Well - just try thinking. It might help.

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Well - just try thinking. It might help.

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Really? Flaming people is how you get your kicks or something? When I post to a legal help forum, I expect help, not trolls. And no, according to the law, that person does not exist anymore. Once the judge signs the order, the original name dies. It is no longer a legal name. For crying out loud, it doesn't even exist on my birth certificate anymore, so, according to the state of kentucky, no one with that name was ever even born.

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Quoting diago

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Really? Flaming people is how you get your kicks or something? When I post to a legal help forum, I expect help, not trolls. And no, according to the law, that person does not exist anymore. Once the judge signs the order, the original name dies. It is no longer a legal name. For crying out loud, it doesn't even exist on my birth certificate anymore, so, according to the state of kentucky, no one with that name was ever even born.

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Ah. I see.

So when a woman gets married and changes her last name to that of her husband this somehow erases her previous personage?

You DO realize that changing your name does NOT change the record of your birth, correct?

There IS a difference between the physical birth certificate and the actual record of birth.

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I am talking about a full name change here. Not a marriage name change. My first, middle, and last names were changed for my protection. Therefore, by those companies refusing to change my name, they are in essence, placing me in danger. Also, the long form, or record as you call it, is also changed by kentucky vital records, at least their copy of it. The original does not exist, at least for me since the only hospital that had it burned down and lost ALL records in the fire. Therefore, yes, my birth name does not exist, period, except with these two companies, and on the court order.

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I am talking about a full name change here. Not a marriage name change. My first, middle, and last names were changed for my protection. Therefore, by those companies refusing to change my name, they are in essence, placing me in danger. Also, the long form, or record as you call it, is also changed by kentucky vital records, at least their copy of it. The original does not exist, at least for me since the only hospital that had it burned down and lost ALL records in the fire. Therefore, yes, my birth name does not exist, period, except with these two companies, and on the court order.

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How convenient. Funny, I'm from Kentucky, am very familiar with where you are from, and have never heard of one of our hospitals being burned down.

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Was just wondering (and I did do a google search first but found nothing) if companies are required to change your name when you have a court order.

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As you were told, no. The court order is not directed at the companies.

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I ask this because I have two companies (one is a doctors office and the other is best buy rewards zone) that are refusing to change my name.

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Alas.

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With the doctors office, this is becoming a confusing issue because they are sending over paperwork in my old name to my other doctors and they do not recognize whom it is for since my old name no longer exists in their records.

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Then you had best make sure that your current doctors know about your former name.

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As for the Best Buy one, it becomes another issue.

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You want them to give you a job reference under your new name without mentioning the old one?

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I am just wondering why they can ignore a court order.

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In the same sense you "ignored" the order when you called yourself "djago" in this thread? The way I'm ignoring it by calling you "djago"?

Again, the order is not directed at them and thus doesn't bind them.

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Last I checked, a court order had to be followed or be held in contempt. Is it the same for this?

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No.

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I know if a Judge gave a court order for me to, lets say, stay away from someone or someplace, if I did not follow that court order, I would be arrested and put in jail. How can a company not be held to the same?

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Because the court in your example issued an order against you, extending you due process during the issuance and appeal of the order. The court in the latter case did not involve any third party (save for the Department of Vital Records) in its order. Everybody in the state and nation remains free to call you names other than the one you prefer, from your birth name to the name you prefer to a term of endearment to your Internet handle to this sort of thing.

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The old name is NOT my name anymore.

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Yes, it does. It exists as your former name.

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That person does not exist.

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Yes, he does. Look in the mirror. There he is.

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With my old name being listed somewhere still, it will leave me open to issues, if the person my name was changed to protect me from figures it out.

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You are free to argue that when you plead your case to your former doctors and to Best Buy.

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Also, your statement that a doctor cant change my name is incorrect as this is only 1 of my doctors that is refusing. 5 others have had no issue changing my name in their system, even on old records (keep in mind all of my doctors use electronic records so changing my name in the system, changes my name on ALL records, new and old).

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And four out of five dentists (if you believe the old commercials) recommend Trident gum to patients who chew gum. That doesn't make it illegal for the fifth to say, "I prefer Chiclets, myself."

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I am talking about a full name change here. Not a marriage name change. My first, middle, and last names were changed for my protection. Therefore, by those companies refusing to change my name, they are in essence, placing me in danger.

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The problem you originally described was, "When doctors get my records, they are sometimes confused." Now your doctor or Best Buy are going to somehow give your new name to... a mystery stalker from your dark past, against whom you have not bothered to seek legal protection? One way or another, all you can do is ask politely - and they can say, "No, we're not changing our records," or, "The most we'll do is add your new name to our existing records."

So I take it, in your opinion, no one ever moves away from where they were born? You see my location and think 'he must be talking about hospitals there!'. No. I was not born where I am currently living. Also, I was slightly wrong. I confused what my parents told me and mistook my fathers school system (which did burn down and therefore he is now unable to prove his graduation) with my hospital. However; my hospital does not exist anymore. Here is a link to an article about it;

http://www.examiner.com/article/st-j...rmary-hospital

I have spoken to the new company that it turned into when it was rebuilt as Audubon, and all records from back then were destroyed. So yes, the long form does not exist.

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Then you had best make sure that your current doctors know about your former name.

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That would be against my own protection. The old name must completely die off.

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You want them to give you a job reference under your new name without mentioning the old one?

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Job reference? For someone whom calls themselves a 'Knowitall', you don't know everything. Best Buy Rewards Program is not job stuff. When I tried to get the name changed, they stated it was 'non-transferrable', which, in this case, has nothing to do with a name change. And, in case you don't know what the Rewards Program is;

https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/

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In the same sense you "ignored" the order when you called yourself "djago" in this thread? The way I'm ignoring it by calling you "djago"?

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It's DIago, and that is my real name.

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Because the court in your example issued an order against you, extending you due process during the issuance and appeal of the order. The court in the latter case did not involve any third party (save for the Department of Vital Records) in its order. Everybody in the state and nation remains free to call you names other than the one you prefer, from your birth name to the name you prefer to a term of endearment to your Internet handle to this sort of thing.

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And yet it is illegal for Social Security and DMV to ignore it?

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Yes, it does. It exists as your former name.

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Yes, he does. Look in the mirror. There he is.

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My 'formal name' was a straw man who represented whom I was at the time. It is an on paper legal representation of whom I was known as. If you change your name, that straw man ceases to exist and a new one is created in it's place. A name does not make the person. It is not about a name that someone just randomly calls me. I am talking about the legal representation of whom I am, and that has changed. The previous 'straw man' is dead. A new one lives. There cannot be two at the same time, just think about it along the lines of Highlander (there can only be one).

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The problem you originally described was, "When doctors get my records, they are sometimes confused." Now your doctor or Best Buy are going to somehow give your new name to... a mystery stalker from your dark past, against whom you have not bothered to seek legal protection? One way or another, all you can do is ask politely - and they can say, "No, we're not changing our records," or, "The most we'll do is add your new name to our existing records."

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The name change was a legal protection. This is what was decided by the legal system because they felt it was the best way to protect me. They kept the name change completely confidential. The only differences between this and witness protection is that I am not a witness and I don't have the State Department helping me deal with all of this. Other than that, my name change is pretty much identical.