Re: What Happens if the Police Draw on Somebody Who is Legally Openly Carrying a Weap
@cbg things like this are much less frequent in this area than in more populated areas, but corrupt & stupid police officers still exists.
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@free9man basically the abridged version of my opinion is... you're walking down the street carrying a firearm. a cop sees it and immediately points a deadly weapon at you because they can't handle the stress of possibly risking their life. THEY NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT CAREER. risk is part of the job. just because you cant handle that risk doesn't mean you should put someone else's life in danger by pointing a weapon at them. an officer that draws a gun on someone who hasnt broken the law and isnt doing anything actually threatening, than that cop should be charge with ATLEAST criminal threatening.
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Ah, yes ... Youtube and anecdotal, absent-any-context, edited impressions of sporadic incidents over a period of years. In your minds this is objective evidence of your contention that police are uneducated, unqualified, thuggish, and a host of other negative adjectives?
First, NYPD is hardly indicative of all police. Second, the NYPD is the largest municipal law enforcement agency in the United States and even one percent of the department being bad apples would mean about 350 bad officers. Third, your contention of high school dropouts is wrong for most every department in the United states - including New Hampshire and NYPD as both require AT least a high school diploma or GED equivalent. Fourth, education does not make a good cop. One can have all the degrees in the world and be a crappy cop. Likewise, one can be a great cop without ANY college. Some of the best officers I have had the privilege of knowing lacked any higher education. What they possessed was a keen ability to understand and deal with people - victims and suspects.
But, I doubt you truly want to hear anything that might run contrary to your paradigm. If you truly want to learn, speak to a use of force expert at your state's academy.
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what if nobody stood up to Nazi Germany?
My grandfather rolled into Ohrdruf-Buchenwald at the age of 19, PFC with the 89th Infantry Rolling Ws. Don't you DARE try to compare your paranoia with his honorable service - he earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star. All you're earning is eyerolls.
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they had the similar strategies as our current government has now. disarm the people and control every aspect of their lives.
Learn you some history, bub. German gun registration laws came into effect during the Weimar Republic in 1928. The Nazi regime rose to power in spite of gun control, not because of it.
I'm sure you have public libraries in New Hampshire. Avail yourself of one instead of parroting Fox News and ill-researched Facebook nonsense.
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@free9man basically the abridged version of my opinion is... you're walking down the street carrying a firearm. a cop sees it and immediately points a deadly weapon at you because they can't handle the stress of possibly risking their life. THEY NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT CAREER. risk is part of the job.
RISK is part of the job, but stupidity is not.
If the officer has some reason to believe he is at risk, he can and should take appropriate steps to safeguard himself and others. If that means drawing his weapon and aiming it, then that may be what it takes. You would certainly be free to complain to his agency later on and they could evaluate his actions within the context of the law and agency policy. You also might be able to sue him under your state's laws if he was unable to articulate good cause to brandish his weapon at you.
I can tell you from many years of experience that I would almost certainly have my weapon out and at the low ready if I intended to contact or confront someone that I knew to be carrying a firearm. I might even decide to engage in a high profile contact (i.e. prone the person out). Or, I might simply keep it low key and give very clear instructions on where to keep their hands and inform the person that if they move their hands towards the gun they will be shot.
But, any evaluation of the situation would require an evaluation of the totality of the circumstances.
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Here's the deal. First, you are getting accurate answers. If you break leather on a uniformed officer who has you at gunpoint, you go from a live innocent law-abiding open carrying citizen to an armed (and likely dead) felon.
Second, are there bad officers? You betcha, even Carl concedes that if you ask him. But the majority are well-trained, well-informed people doing a job they love to better society and want nothing more than 2 things. The first is to go home alive and in one piece at the end of their shift. The second is never to have to take another person's life. They accept it may come to that but they don't go looking for it. If put in a situation where it becomes necessary you can bet they had no choice and if given the opportunity, did everything they could to avoid it.
Agreed!
There ARE bad officers! A very few are real bad, but most that are bad are simply poorly trained or poorly supervised such that they make some bad choices or mistakes. There is an entire sociological dynamic that goes on within the police subculture that could take up many hours of discussion here ... but this is not the place. But, when citizens seek to create a confrontation they are asking for trouble because, by and large, the law is with the officer. If an officer confronts J.Q. Citizen walking with a pistol on his hip and an officer draws down on him, Mr. Citizen had best learn to comply with the direction of the officer and address the matter later through complaints or the courts, or he will likely relegate that responsibility to his surviving heirs.
Re: What Happens if the Police Draw on Somebody Who is Legally Openly Carrying a Weap
Hmmm...should have done this previously. Posting hx, folks.
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It's amazing that one could pose a question concerning responsible gun ownwership, then pose such a ridiculously stupid scenario as the example. If a responsible gun owner has so much paranoia within him/herself that s/he would draw on a police officer rather than have the situation diffused, that person has no business owning a firearm. This board is filled with posters of all races and political beliefs. But I have not seen one thought that cosigns to your madness. People have the right to bear arms and all that jazz, but we also have the responsibility to do it properly.
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Hmmm...should have done this previously. Posting hx, folks.
Are you referring to his stubborn nature or the fact that OP apparently seeks out conflict?
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FALSE. you're not required to tell an officer that you're armed.
Nobody said you have to tell an officer about your weapon. Smart people do so voluntarily. Dumb people fume about how unfair it is that police officers are paid a salary, daydream about drawing their weapons on officers, and otherwise do stupid things that might inspire the officer to draw on them, or even to potentially shoot them.
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@LawResearcherMissy Paranoia and Mistrust of the Government and public servants is very healthy for society. what if nobody stood up to Nazi Germany? they had the similar strategies as our current government has now. disarm the people and control every aspect of their lives. a republic is supposed to be controlled by the people, but everything is controlled by politics, money, and big corporations these days.
You apparently know as much about history as you do about gun safety. But sure, amuse us... tell us about these "strategies".
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He seeks out conflict, rarely makes a valid point, is incredibly stubborn, uses NYPD as an example for his question that concerns NH. There is no reality in what this kid thinks. Considering that he comes out the gate looking for confrontation seriously undermines his ability to get an answer that would be palatable. He's looking again for confrontation.
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He seeks out conflict, rarely makes a valid point, is incredibly stubborn, uses NYPD as an example for his question that concerns NH. There is no reality in what this kid thinks. Considering that he comes out the gate looking for confrontation seriously undermines his ability to get an answer that would be palatable. He's looking again for confrontation.
and the operative word is "kid".