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  • 01-24-2013, 08:23 PM
    shawn113
    Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Louisiana
    Ok I'm goin to court for theft by fraud I was a cashier at a retail store and would run returns on the register even though it wasn't a legit return. I would then sell the cards for a little less then what was on it for cash. This is my first felony and I did almost 13 thousand in damage but I got almost most of the cards returned with the money on them what am I looking at?
  • 01-24-2013, 09:38 PM
    Disagreeable
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    That is dependent on whether you are charged with one or several charges. What are the current charges? Your criminal history? Have you hired an attorney? If you have not you better.
  • 01-25-2013, 04:41 AM
    cyjeff
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    For 13,000? Prison.

    That's the best I can do unless you give us the statute you were charged under.

    You say first felony - how many OTHER crimes are on your record?
  • 01-25-2013, 06:27 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    I have no other crimes on record is there a chance I will get probation with papers?
  • 01-25-2013, 06:31 AM
    PandorasBox
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    $13,000 of theft? And you think probation is all you will get?

    No.

    Reality: PRISON. Restitution. Court costs and fines. You may get probation AFTER getting out of the Gray Bar Motel.

    Time to hire a Criminal Defense Attorney, you are going to need one.
  • 01-25-2013, 06:33 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    How much prison u think
  • 01-25-2013, 06:33 AM
    cyjeff
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Returning the money will help your case, but won't erase it.

    You don't get to claim you didn't rob the bank because you returned the money you stole.
  • 01-25-2013, 06:38 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    U think I will be ok? I know someone stole 18 thousand out of deposits from pizza hut over time and he got probation and restitution
  • 01-25-2013, 06:54 AM
    PandorasBox
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    We can't tell you how much prison time. We don't know how tough on crime the prosecutor/D.A. is in your area.

    Seriously - you need to hire a lawyer asap.
  • 01-25-2013, 06:57 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    I got a public defender
  • 01-25-2013, 06:59 AM
    cbg
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Then ask HIM what you're likely to get. We don't know.
  • 01-25-2013, 07:49 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    I will be ok in the end either way?
  • 01-25-2013, 08:12 AM
    cbg
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    That depends on your definition of okay. It's a lot more likely that you're going to serve time than that you're not. So if "okay" means you're not going to jail, then no, there is no guarantee that you're going to be okay. If, on the other hand, "okay" means alive, well, they're not going to execute you.
  • 01-25-2013, 08:36 AM
    PandorasBox
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Let's put it this way....

    The job market sucks.

    Having a criminal record makes it harder and harder to find a job. You will not be working anywhere near money or a cash register. You will be lucky to say "Would you like fries with that?". Not to mention after prison - you will have a gap in your employment history.

    Want an apartment when you get out of prison? A lot will turn you down for crimes of moral turpitude.

    I'd take your time in prison to learn a trade if you can.

    PS...I am being serious.
  • 01-25-2013, 11:58 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Im almost done with trade school for Instrumentation. Someone told me I will prob get probation with papers
  • 01-25-2013, 12:52 PM
    cbg
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    And someone here told you that probation is unlikely.

    In the end, the only one who gets a vote that counts is the sentencing judge.
  • 01-25-2013, 10:32 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Your lawyer can estimate your penalty, based upon the facts and likely plea bargains. You, yourself, can work through the sentencing guidelines to try to estimate a sentence.
  • 01-26-2013, 02:37 PM
    shawn113
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    U think I will be ok since 1st crime?
  • 01-26-2013, 02:38 PM
    cbg
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Define, ok.
  • 01-26-2013, 02:43 PM
    shawn113
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    I will have papers with probation and restitution and after all said and done I will bounce back
  • 01-26-2013, 02:51 PM
    cbg
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    I have said it before. I will say it one more time, and after this I will not say it again.

    If by OK, you mean do we think that you will simply get probation, then no, I do not think you will be okay. I don't much care what someone else told you - if they said you'll be okay, meaning you'll just get probation, then I think they're wrong. But if you'd rather believe them, it's no skin off my nose. I'm not the one going to jail. I'm not the one who'll never get a job again that doesn't require asking, "you want fries with that"?

    If that is not what you mean, then either explain yourself intelligibly or go find another forum. Preferably one where I don't respond.
  • 01-26-2013, 03:12 PM
    shawn113
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    I'm goin be ok they give u a break 1st time
  • 01-26-2013, 03:17 PM
    cbg
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Okay, you just go on believing that.

    http://law.justia.com/codes/louisian...146/78607.html
  • 01-26-2013, 03:39 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Quote:

    Quoting shawn113
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    I'm goin be ok they give u a break 1st time

    Work through the sentencing guidelines and/or talk to your lawyer.
  • 01-26-2013, 03:51 PM
    shawn113
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Someone told me since 1st felony prob just get probation and restitution with suspended time
  • 01-26-2013, 03:54 PM
    cbg
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    If you are so convinced that this mysterious "someone" is correct, why did you post here in the first place?
  • 01-26-2013, 05:30 PM
    PandorasBox
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    If you read the links given to you....you could get up to 10 years in prison.....
  • 01-27-2013, 03:06 PM
    cyjeff
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Let's cut to the chase.

    You came here hoping we could tell you that all you would get for stealing $13,000 was probation. We can't tell you that. While possible, I don't think probation alone is probable. Your friend is telling you differently.

    Believe whomever you wish.
  • 01-27-2013, 03:20 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Quote:

    Quoting shawn113
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    Someone told me since 1st felony prob just get probation and restitution with suspended time

    This person would be your lawyer? Your friend who was caught stealing in the same manner? The village idiot?

    When you worked through the sentencing guidelines, what did you learn?
  • 01-28-2013, 09:48 AM
    brawndo89
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    To be honest, if you got a public defender you're looking at jail time. You're going to need a top dollar lawyer to avoid jail, and even then you're going to be on probation for a hot minute. 13,000 is serious business in the eyes of the court. You MIGHT be okay if it is your first charge ever. On another note how old are you?
  • 01-28-2013, 09:55 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    im 20 years old and everyone seems to think im goin be ok most of it was returned
  • 01-28-2013, 10:43 AM
    cbg
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Everyone except the people on this board. But it's your choice who you want to believe.
  • 01-28-2013, 10:44 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    When you worked through the sentencing guidelines, what did you learn?

    You're making it seem like you're too lazy to make the effort and just want somebody to hold your hand.
  • 01-28-2013, 10:46 AM
    cbg
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    No, Mr. K, he wants everyone to assure him that he's only going to get probation. If he works through the sentencing guidelines he might find out that it isn't true, so he's not going to do that - he's going to continue to insist that we all tell him what he wants to hear.
  • 01-28-2013, 11:22 AM
    brawndo89
    Re: Theft by Fraud
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    im 20 years old and everyone seems to think im goin be ok most of it was returned

    Yeah you're getting jail time....I'd say 90% chance for at least a year. Trust me whatever your friends tell you means absolutely nothing. Their charges might have been similar but weren't at/with the same time, location, judge, etc. When is your court date and what has your lawyer said?
  • 01-28-2013, 11:41 AM
    shawn113
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Prob not more than a year u think? And I haven't spoken to my public defender yet
  • 01-28-2013, 11:50 AM
    brawndo89
    Re: Theft by Fraud
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    Prob not more than a year u think? And I haven't spoken to my public defender yet

    Honestly I can't give you any real numbers I'm not a lawyer. You need to get in touch with him like now. When did you get charged/arrested?
  • 01-28-2013, 12:38 PM
    tc498
    Re: Cashier Caught Making Fraudulent Returns
    Quote:

    Quoting shawn113
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    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Louisiana
    Ok I'm goin to court for theft by fraud I was a cashier at a retail store and would run returns on the register even though it wasn't a legit return. I would then sell the cards for a little less then what was on it for cash. This is my first felony and I did almost 13 thousand in damage but I got almost most of the cards returned with the money on them what am I looking at?



    That a very high amount, if u have just this one charge,a clean record and pay back make what you took all those things can result in your favor. Some type of jail or prison time is a very realistic penalty but it really all depends the court,da,judge. One court might give you 6 months,another a 15 months it really all depends. With an excellent lawyer.the right judge and da maybe felony probation is possible but that could be a long shot. Maybe you can get 6 months in then 5 year probation. Find a good local lawyer and he or she can give you a honest option on what your facing. They ain't gonna throw away the key but you could expect a decent amount time behind bars.
  • 01-28-2013, 02:14 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Quote:

    Quoting shawn113
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    Prob not more than a year u think? And I haven't spoken to my public defender yet

    Perhaps you should ask for a forensic evaluation, as you appear to be incapable of understanding the charges against you or how to assist in your own defense.

    One more time....

    When you worked through the sentencing guidelines, what did you learn?

    You're making it seem like you're too lazy to make the effort and just want somebody to hold your hand.
  • 01-28-2013, 03:04 PM
    PandorasBox
    Re: Theft by Fraud
    Again...

    $13,000 is not a low amount.
    $13,000 shows intent and planning.
    $13,000 shows you are not a first time offender, just first time being caught.

    You are facing serious charges and serious prison time. You need to get the hell off the internet and to make an appointment with your Public Defender. Call him tonight, leave a message. When he calls back, make an appointment to meet and discuss your charges and options.

    I looked at the sentencing guidelines, and you face up to 10 years in prison, plus fines and restitution.
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