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  • 11-19-2012, 06:14 AM
    cbg
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    How rare is it for a surveillance group of say 5-10 people to follow a person around the country, put people in place where they shop, try to interact with them at every moment they get, or linger around longer than one should in certain places?

    Exceedingly.

    How unique would this person have to be in order to attract this kind of attention?


    For this kind of attention, the person would have to have committed a crime so heinous and at such a high level that law enforcement did not dare let the person out of their sight until they were ready to make the arrest. We're talking about serial murder, or running a national crime ring. And we're talking about law enforcement having a strong case, not just a suspicion. And we're talking about it going on for a matter of days, not weeks or months. Just till the paperwork went through.

    The possibility that any law enforcement or government agency would put forth this level of surveillance on someone for whom they do not have strong evidence of a serious crime is so slim as to be non-existent. If I thought otherwise, I'd be having a serious talk with my Congressman (and I am on a first name basis with my Congressman) about how my tax dollars are being used.
  • 11-19-2012, 06:39 AM
    beaglemike
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    Thank you for the replies.

    I'm asking these questions and making these statements not to draw attention to myself, but to figure out what is going on. The level of surveillance that is taking place does not match who I am at all. I'm just a family guy with some knowledge.

    The language of the legal system is not common to me, so it would be wonderful if someone could direct me to where I might obtain those records from the DEA.

    Thanks again for your input and thoughts.

    Mike
  • 11-19-2012, 06:56 AM
    cbg
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    Let me ask you a question.

    What EVIDENCE do you you have that the DEA has any records on you at all?

    I'm asking for a reason.
  • 11-19-2012, 09:47 AM
    eerelations
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    Quote:

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    The language of the legal system is not common to me, so it would be wonderful if someone could direct me to where I might obtain those records from the DEA.

    You're not getting it. There aren't any DEA records on you.
  • 11-19-2012, 09:50 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    John Gotti didn't receive the attention you claim to be getting. Why would they spend more time and money following and, indeed, harassing you? No supervisor wanting to keep his job would authorize such a huge expenditure of resources to follow one man without any serious criminal involvement. The type of open (not covert) surveillance you describe would not only be horrendously expensive, but their actions would be counterproductive. The best surveillance is that where the target does not know they are being tailed.

    There is not a coordinated effort by any government agency to follow you.
  • 11-19-2012, 10:45 AM
    beaglemike
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    Okay, so there are no records being kept on me.

    For the sake of argument, where can a common man like me go to officially verify if I'm under investigation currently or in the past like I did with the FBI?
  • 11-19-2012, 11:18 AM
    Foster_Foster
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    Not sure what you expect folks to say other than to contact a local criminal attorney who may be able to ascertain what ongoing investigations there may be ... or pester your state and U.S. legislative representatives about it. I wouldn't presume it's the DEA just because no one got back to you, however. Sounds like grandiosity there; I'd set your sights lower in terms of local or state police if anyone.
  • 11-19-2012, 11:37 AM
    aardvarc
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
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    Okay, so there are no records being kept on me.

    For the sake of argument, where can a common man like me go to officially verify if I'm under investigation currently or in the past like I did with the FBI?

    You're not going to get investigative intelligence. Period.
  • 11-19-2012, 11:38 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    No law enforcement agency has to provide information on ongoing investigations. If they are investigating you, they can say they are not.
  • 11-19-2012, 11:56 AM
    beaglemike
    Re: Organized Stalking by Government
    All right, to wrap things up. This is what I'm walking away with. Law enforcement can participate in organized stalking and not be held accountable for any collateral damage that occurs and they can mess with a person as long as they like behind the security of secrecy. Nice.

    Take care and thanks for the law lesson.

    Mike
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