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  • 11-11-2012, 06:04 AM
    Idavall
    Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    My question involves criminal law for the state of: All states?

    If undocumented aliens are not seen as persons - have no personal rights - under the law [as explained by Noam Chomsky, Commonwealth Club, CA, 2009], is hurting or killing an undocumented alien not assault or murder in the eyes of US law?

    The aim is to clarify : Under what juristictions are "undocumented aliens" equalling "not persons"?
    - Just regarding denying them healthcare, or is the definition judicially universal?
  • 11-11-2012, 06:30 AM
    Disagreeable
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    What kind of ridiculous pro-illegal garbage is this?
  • 11-11-2012, 07:16 AM
    jk
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    You are taking the legal standing of a person who is an illegal alien way too far. You are attempting to claim that a tree in a forest that falls makes no noise if there is nobody there to observe it. Schrodinger's cat has no place in your argument.

    Humans are humans, whether they be legally present or not. Killing a human is a criminal act.
  • 11-11-2012, 07:26 AM
    Dogmatique
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    Quote:

    Quoting Idavall
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    My question involves criminal law for the state of: All states?

    If undocumented aliens are not seen as persons - have no personal rights - under the law [as explained by Noam Chomsky, Commonwealth Club, CA, 2009], is hurting or killing an undocumented alien not assault or murder in the eyes of US law?

    The aim is to clarify : Under what juristictions are "undocumented aliens" equalling "not persons"?
    - Just regarding denying them healthcare, or is the definition judicially universal?



    We're doing homework, aren't we?
  • 11-11-2012, 07:49 AM
    harrylime
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    Wow! Noam Chomsky and Schrodinger's cat in one thread.
  • 11-11-2012, 08:15 AM
    aardvarc
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    We are THAT cool around here =)
  • 11-11-2012, 08:25 AM
    Dogmatique
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
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    We are THAT cool around here =)


    We are TOTALLY that cool!
  • 11-11-2012, 08:34 AM
    jk
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
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    Wow! Noam Chomsky and Schrodinger's cat in one thread.

    Chomsky? Not sure of your claim of the source. The basis of the statement is much older than Chomsky.

    I think Chomsky was the guy that had a problem with the inability see multiple perspectives due to the lack of ability to remove oneself from their limitations of perception of a subject. Something like this:



    http://drimnaghbirdwatch.files.wordp...llard-duck.jpg


    Do you see the duck or the dog?


    and who didn't realize that mallards wore dog masks?




    Beyond that, both issues deal with perception which is exactly what the OP is asking about here. Does one have different rights as a human simply based on how we perceive them? The answer is addressed in both of the situations I brought up. They both allow for a yes and no answer, depending on one's own perception of the event. Obviously neither alters the answer to the question asked since one's perception does not alter the legal reality of the situation.
  • 11-11-2012, 08:57 AM
    souperdave
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
    What does it mean if I see an armadillo in the picture?
  • 11-11-2012, 09:04 AM
    free9man
    Re: Undocumented Aliens - What is the Extent of "Person"-Definition
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    Do you see the duck or the dog?

    Wow. Took me minute to catch the dog.
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