Where to Find Affordable Counseling Programs to Fulfill a Court's Order

My question involves a child custody case from the State of: wisconsin

The respondent, John must complete a Batterer’s Intervention Program (BIP), Drug and Alcohol Assessment Program (DAAP), and Driver Safety Program (DSP) before unsupervised physical placement with the child is considered by the Court.

thats the final paragraph of the custody order and when i call places in FL they dont know what Im talking about with these programs. So do you guys have any links for the programs specifically for the zip codes of 54403 or 53215 or even 53081.....

also can I take these classes online anywhere?


Finally I must admit i was dishonest on my MMPI test, would it benefit me to take another one?

Thanks all

Google is your friend.

cant find nothing other than 5000 dollar in patient programs, but thanks.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry John!

I didn't realize you were looking for FREE programs.

Go. Away.

You're trolling. Or are you trying to find ways to get even your supervised visitation restricted?

http://www.avacawisdominstitute.com/...Wisconsin.html nice haha online quick course


now thats what im talking about woot woot

You will want to verify in advance that your completion of an el-cheapo online program would satisfy the court.

Why? Its not in the order. I dont believe the order says accredited or any specific adjective besides BIP DAAP DSP. And these are in fact accredited or recognized programs. Im not trolling.

I imagine with my vast knowledge of going it alone the judge could in fact just decide "thats not good enough" And id be thinkin, "Darn" but a really big DARN like "W t F om%^&* G! ya know.....

As far as me asking them to clarify if that does in fact transpire whether by me or them i would then ask for the list of agencys according to my income and if so would ask the ordering court to order the county to be responsible untill a later date jus like evrything else.

Try http://www.capserv.org/

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You will want to verify in advance that your completion of an el-cheapo online program would satisfy the court.

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Quoting passiondad

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Why?

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If you think for three seconds, maybe fewer, you should be able to figure it out: Because if the judge finds the programs not to meet the requirements of its order, you will have wasted time and money and may face additional sanction by the court.

If you want to know if the court maintains a list of approved providers, ask.

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If you think for three seconds, maybe fewer, you should be able to figure it out: Because if the judge finds the programs not to meet the requirements of its order, you will have wasted time and money and may face additional sanction by the court.

If you want to know if the court maintains a list of approved providers, ask.

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Ok maybe i will email GAL to find out.

startin to lean towards signing away rights tho. I mean mom aint never gonna work with me..... Christ havent even got a f-ing picture in over a year, because i smoked some pot,,,,,,,,

What a tragedy in the making! :(

You do know that even *if* you do "sign your rights away", you will still be liable for the same financial obligations that you are now?

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Ok maybe i will email GAL to find out.

startin to lean towards signing away rights tho. I mean mom aint never gonna work with me..... Christ havent even got a f-ing picture in over a year, because i smoked some pot,,,,,,,,

What a tragedy in the making! :(

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A tragedy of your own doing.

Haven't you been attending the supervised visits?

If not, why not?

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A tragedy of your own doing.

Haven't you been attending the supervised visits?

If not, why not?

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Because this hasn't been about the child in a very, very long time....if it ever was.

If you're going to lie on your MMPI, what do you expect to happen?

Best case scenario for the child is the receipt of your support money, without contact, at all, at this point. As much as you want to complain about the situation, you've made incredibly bad decision after incredibly bad decision, even after being warned that doing so could have many of the consequences you're now encountering. You went from a winning position to a loosing one because you're just determined to do things your own way, rather than the ways that might have actually gotten you what you were originally seeking. Being right and being happy aren't the same thing, but your stubbornness is going to result in you being neither.

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Because this hasn't been about the child in a very, very long time....if it ever was.

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Here endeth the lesson.

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You do know that even *if* you do "sign your rights away", you will still be liable for the same financial obligations that you are now?

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havent seen you around these parts much m and m ahhhhhh yeah financial responsiblitie will be gone when new husband adopts like I hear he wants to!!!! besides of course arrears.......

Im still jus waiting to see if Mom comes around at all, she knows the truth, She screwed me, took advantage of my kindness and trust. She knows she left because all I was doing for a living was sign spinning and she wants pretty jewelry and stuff like that. she wants to be taken out to dinner 5 times a week, she left because i didnt make enough money for her, not that i couldnt support the fam but she didnt want to move from a 3/1 to a 2/1.........

Jus playin a waiting a game, I need to get over the anger, it comes and go's, but still rather a lil serious because i get some nasty thoughts sometimes, i dont know that ill ever get over it........ Or that ill never want the revenge............. so yeah best interest right now is to calm down yet it is what it is

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If you're going to lie on your MMPI, what do you expect to happen?

Best case scenario for the child is the receipt of your support money, without contact, at all, at this point. As much as you want to complain about the situation, you've made incredibly bad decision after incredibly bad decision, even after being warned that doing so could have many of the consequences you're now encountering. You went from a winning position to a loosing one because you're just determined to do things your own way, rather than the ways that might have actually gotten you what you were originally seeking. Being right and being happy aren't the same thing, but your stubbornness is going to result in you being neither.



Here endeth the lesson.

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some people jus dont care, im on the fence, thinking about jus tellin support people to file the charges so I can go to jail, and ill happily stay in jaqil for up to 10 years maybe longer. I am actually giving things alot of thought........ stressful......

alot of people pissed me off, i can turn my back on them, throw the hands up and walk away, or I can hang onto the anger and let it play out, jus dunno yet...

Id like to hang on for another 20 months till i can file again, and rebutt the Drs 80% recidisvism (sp) prison rate for me

id like to hang on for 20 months till mom gets a DUI

In my heart of hearts I know Im an awesome parent, and the kiddo needs both.

with that said i bend to the will of No man or women.......... Im a throw back not an important one not a superior one, jus a run of the mill throwback Johnny Coelacanth

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Finally I must admit i was dishonest on my MMPI test, would it benefit me to take another one?

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If you're going to lie on your MMPI, what do you expect to happen?

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I missed that one. We don't have context here, but I suspect the problem is that the court ordered a psychological assessment, the person doing the assessment administered the MMPI, and the result shows a problem on a validity scale. In order to have a valid test result the MMPI can only be administered 'every so often' - it may be too soon to have it readministered. It may be possible to do a more specific test, such as a parenting stress inventory, to get an adequate result but that's something to discuss with the person trying to make the assessment.

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Jus playin a waiting a game, I need to get over the anger, it comes and go's, but still rather a lil serious because i get some nasty thoughts sometimes, i dont know that ill ever get over it........ Or that ill never want the revenge............. so yeah best interest right now is to calm down yet it is what it is

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Are you stupid? You've already learned your postings can be used against you in court and you continue to post ammo for mom. Get anger management counseling...you obviously need it

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I am actually giving things alot of thought........ stressful......

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Counseling will teach you to deal with the stress properly.

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alot of people pissed me off, i can turn my back on them, throw the hands up and walk away, or I can hang onto the anger and let it play out, jus dunno yet...

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The anger will get you no where. Trust me.

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id like to hang on for 20 months till mom gets a DUI

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And then what? She's still not likely to lose custody.

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In my heart of hearts I know Im an awesome parent, and the kiddo needs both.

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No, you aren't. Why you can't see that, we don't know. Your drive for revenge on mom, inability to handle your anger or do what's best for the child are proof of that.

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with that said i bend to the will of No man or women.......... Im a throw back not an important one not a superior one, jus a run of the mill throwback Johnny Coelacanth

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Yeah right.

So THAT'S who has the crystal ball, and knows that exactly 20 months from now Mom is going to get a DUI?

Your time is up, Johnny - time to give it back.

ahhhh yeah mom can have ammo cause as long as she lookin Im STILL winning........you should see her paintings, they are not self portraits of her laughing, she knows she messed up.
she didnt wanna be white trash and she went and did a white trash thing, she is living with that daily....


But more ammo sure, whatev, she 2 years from gettin divorced, she gonna get fat get single and realize she need a daddy around to help....

I know when she takes her new beau for everything i got my in as he will be a perfect stranger as he is allready with no rights, only rights given to him by ex as she agrees, you think she will let ex see kiddo, no way jose, there are so many possibilities im jus waiting,

things have a way of working themselves out like a sliver

There may be many possibilities - but you ending up with custody isn't one of them, at this point.

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Are you stupid? You've already learned your postings can be used against you in court and you continue to post ammo for mom. Get anger management counseling...you obviously need it
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What happened? Did mom find his postings on here or are you talking about another site?

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What happened? Did mom find his postings on here or are you talking about another site?

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A person or persons unknown at another site arranged for his postings to get into the right hands. For the record, it wasn't me because I hadn't even heard of the site at the time he was making an ass out of himself. Seems to be a pattern.

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What happened? Did mom find his postings on here or are you talking about another site?

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It was both actually. Mom actually posted on another forum, was quickly advised to delete her posts, and a senior member linked all of John's threads together for her.

Same senior member also forwarded the links to Mom's attorney who was not, and is not, me.

I'm not an attorney - period. But John did get it into his head (for some reason - probably because I was the only one bothering to respond at that point) that I was Mom's attorney.

Go figure. *shrug*

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ahhhh yeah mom can have ammo cause as long as she lookin Im STILL winning

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Just like Charlie Sheen.

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........you should see her paintings, they are not self portraits of her laughing, she knows she messed up.
she didnt wanna be white trash and she went and did a white trash thing, she is living with that daily....

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I'm sure she has regrets, yes.

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But more ammo sure, whatev, she 2 years from gettin divorced, she gonna get fat get single and realize she need a daddy around to help....

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Mmmhmm.

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I know when she takes her new beau for everything i got my in as he will be a perfect stranger as he is allready with no rights, only rights given to him by ex as she agrees, you think she will let ex see kiddo, no way jose, there are so many possibilities im jus waiting,

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What's this got to do with the price of cheese?

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things have a way of working themselves out like a sliver

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Dude, I know I've warned you about this before. But THINK before you type. This forum has a MUCH smaller window of opportunity in which you can delete or edit threads.

Ya know, at this point, I wonder if he isn't just pulling our chains. His posts went from somewhat coherent, although thick-headed, to Charlie Sheen levels of "winning." So he's either messing with us or has suffered some kind of episode and needs treatment.

I'd love to think that he's trolling. I really would :(

Unfortunately he's for real. Now, he does have a habit of posting nonsense to gain attention - but the bottom line is, he's for real. And this is just one reason why his court orders are so incredibly restrictive.

For the sake of this poor child, the best thing he could do quite honestly is allow Mom's husband to adopt.

I don't doubt he's real...we've all seen the court docket to prove it. :cool:

Well yes...there IS that ;) :D

like i told the judge "its not the end of the world no matter what!!!!"

Is it illegal for her to directly or indirectly contact me? i have a link to share where she is speaking directly at me without using my name.

ya knw all i gotta do is some programming, pretty standard stuff.....

I would never sign away rights to new husband as he will not be around long enough, he really wont be.

Ive always held for the most part i want 50/50 not full..... the best parent is both parents

Charlie sheen LOLZ.

some easy programming standard stuff!

Never gonna take kiddo from her like she did me. never gonna put kiddo at risk.......

If she could jus swallow her pride quietly, and be like, "screw the court order,lets redo it"

Thats all that will make me happy. and ill be super happy and stop being disgruntled and get back to being a daddy like i was up untill 9/10/2010.

You cannot pull the rug out from under a parent and expect them to be happy

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like i told the judge "its not the end of the world no matter what!!!!"

Is it illegal for her to directly or indirectly contact me? i have a link to share where she is speaking directly at me without using my name.

ya knw all i gotta do is some programming, pretty standard stuff.....

I would never sign away rights to new husband as he will not be around long enough, he really wont be.

Ive always held for the most part i want 50/50 not full..... the best parent is both parents

Charlie sheen LOLZ.

some easy programming standard stuff!

Never gonna take kiddo from her like she did me. never gonna put kiddo at risk.......

If she could jus swallow her pride quietly, and be like, "screw the court order,lets redo it"

Thats all that will make me happy. and ill be super happy and stop being disgruntled and get back to being a daddy like i was up untill 9/10/2010.

You cannot pull the rug out from under a parent and expect them to be happy

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Not that I'm comparing you to him, but I'm pretty sure that's what Charlie Manson said when the various mothers of his offspring successfully had HIS rights terminated.

Go away.

Is it a good enought reason to petition court to add a send pictures clause into the order since im so far away?

I mean what do some pics hurt ya know..... Shouldnt i at least get pictures of my kiddo?

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Is it a good enought reason to petition court to add a send pictures clause into the order since im so far away?

I mean what do some pics hurt ya know..... Shouldnt i at least get pictures of my kiddo?

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Are you going to your supervised visits? Anyway, when/if you go, since this is about the child and all, you could take your own photos. Ya know.

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Are you going to your supervised visits? Anyway, when/if you go, since this is about the child and all, you could take your own photos. Ya know.

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He's not allowed to take photos...

OMG...why is he not allowed to take pictures?!!!

What in the world do you have to do to not be allowed to take pics of your own children?

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OMG...why is he not allowed to take pictures?!!!

What in the world do you have to do to not be allowed to take pics of your own children?

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He can't even take her to the toilet - she goes either by herself or with the supervisor. No phone/phone must be turned off. Conversations must be held within earshot of the supervisor.

He posted the full order awhile ago.

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Are you going to your supervised visits? Anyway, when/if you go, since this is about the child and all, you could take your own photos. Ya know.

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haha yeah thats in the order actually that im not allowed to have a camera or take pics at visits, Like WTF ya knw im pissed

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haha yeah thats in the order actually that im not allowed to have a camera or take pics at visits, Like WTF ya knw im pissed

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So...have you actually seen her? Are you going ahead with what is required of you?

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OMG...why is he not allowed to take pictures?!!!

What in the world do you have to do to not be allowed to take pics of your own children?

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OH OH OH ive been wondering the same thing for over 2 years.

Once again let me say, this whole thing was based on what she said, (she said she said she said) she even testified first thing that she lied on affidavit cause she didnt think it mattered, she admitted to the court shes a liar.

So yeah I dunno why either I cant take pics or any of that other stuff, jus to be clear there was never ANY allegations of abuse of the child in any which way, unless you wanna call Moms accusation that I drank 12 packs of beer in the matter of 1 hr on a walk in 94 deh=gree heat with 70% humidity, and how she knew this i dont know she was at work 15 miles away.....

Read the case dudes, she had 0 witness, J had 5 witness all confirming that she was lying.

Jus hanging on! taking lots of time to think....

But yeah answer that for me? Why no pics? who came up with that idea? they prolly gonna try to change her name on me as well

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OH OH OH ive been wondering the same thing for over 2 years.

Once again let me say, this whole thing was based on what she said, (she said she said she said) she even testified first thing that she lied on affidavit cause she didnt think it mattered, she admitted to the court shes a liar.

So yeah I dunno why either I cant take pics or any of that other stuff, jus to be clear there was never ANY allegations of abuse of the child in any which way, unless you wanna call Moms accusation that I drank 12 packs of beer in the matter of 1 hr on a walk in 94 deh=gree heat with 70% humidity, and how she knew this i dont know she was at work 15 miles away.....

Read the case dudes, she had 0 witness, J had 5 witness all confirming that she was lying.

Jus hanging on! taking lots of time to think....

But yeah answer that for me? Why no pics? who came up with that idea? they prolly gonna try to change her name on me as well

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The terms of your visitation order are quite honestly the most restrictive that I've ever seen outside of abuse/neglect cases. John, you obviously appeared unstable. This wasn't just about your ex telling lies (if she did), but about credibility. You had none - she had everything.

But you need to LET THAT GO. What you NEED to do is comply with the terms, and basically suck it up. Prove to the court that you're willing and able to follow the court order. Stop trying to get back at Mom, and FOCUS on what's really important.

Im pissed at mom, but if I wanted to get back her i woulda done so last winter when i was around. Im not trying to do what she has done to me.

or get back at her, i think i could be a perfect daddy at this point and it still wouldnt matter to the court, it never will, they have taken my record previous to conception as a mitigating factor for most rulings.... IE i will never be believed........

So believe this when i say nothing

"The Truth doesnt make a sound"

ya wonder though why so restrictive, there are pedophiles who see their kids more than me and have more rights outright

She didn't do this to you.

You did this to you.