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  • 10-31-2012, 10:21 PM
    Arlene Felts
    Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
    My question involves child support in the State of: Tennessee
    In 1999 divorce papers states $75 for child support and $57 to reimburse wife for providing insurance for a total of $132 a week to be paid directly to wife.
    In 2007 she went to child support services. I complained that she had the children on TennCare and the $57 was for insurance she was not providing. Child Support services told me that it didn't matter what she used the $57 for and I had to pay the $132 a week.
    I got behind in 2009 and owed arrears through Child Support Services in the Amount of $13000 so they deducted an extra $66 (Which caught up all arrears when youngest child turned 18 in 2012)
    In 2009 she went to Child Support Services and said I only paid $15000 before she went to Child Support Services.
    Now in 2012 Child Support Services are now saying I owe arrears of 39,000, now that the children are 18 and 21.
    I filed an appeal for a hearing but the hearing is denied.
    I don't know what I can do. What are the steps I can take? And in what order? The Letter of hearing appeals states it was denied due to a request to child support administrator was not done.
    It feels like the laws are against the man. Even the wording of the laws!
    And I don't understand why she can receive $198 in Support/Insurance a week, make $14 hr., her husband makes $18 hr., receive Food Stamps, and TennCare. When I can barely support my family and don't qualify for any help.
    Is there anything that can be done about the $57 for insurance now? TennCare said it was Fraud.

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    She had children on TennCare as far as I know atleast since 2003.
  • 10-31-2012, 10:41 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
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    Quoting Arlene Felts
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    In 2007 she went to child support services. I complained that she had the children on TennCare and the $57 was for insurance she was not providing. Child Support services told me that it didn't matter what she used the $57 for and I had to pay the $132 a week.

    You filed a motion, you lost, you didn't appeal.

    Odds are the state was taking her support payment, applying it to her benefits, then remitting to her only the excess (if any), meaning that the odds are the money went to cover (among other things) TennCare.
    Quote:

    Quoting Arlene Felts
    I filed an appeal for a hearing but the hearing is denied.

    You filed an appeal of which determination, on what basis?
    Quote:

    Quoting Arlene Felts
    The Letter of hearing appeals states it was denied due to a request to child support administrator was not done.

    Clearly that's not a quote. Try sharing the exact language.
    Quote:

    Quoting Arlene Felts
    It feels like the laws are against the man. Even the wording of the laws!

    It's not like this is complicated: If you are ordered to pay support and fail to do so, you accrue arrears.
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    Quoting Arlene Felts
    And I don't understand why she can receive $198 in Support/Insurance a week, make $14 hr., her husband makes $18 hr., receive Food Stamps, and TennCare.

    When you choose not to support your children such that your ex- ends up receiving public assistance, it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to ask for sympathy based on the benefits your ex- received from the state.
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    Quoting Arlene Felts
    Is there anything that can be done about the $57 for insurance now? TennCare said it was Fraud.

    If TennCare investigated and decided that fraud occurred, TennCare is free to act to recover its money, seek prosecution, whatever it wants.
  • 11-10-2012, 08:53 PM
    Arlene Felts
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
    No I filed an appeal just not in the right protocol (Which I filed another the right way)
    And no she received all money. No money went to TennCare. I know this because that is what CSS said and what payment history shows.
    I paid her all money I am not a dead beat and it sounds like you are angry.
    I am a good father and I spent every weekend summers and had children months at a time.
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    You filed a motion, you lost, you didn't appeal.

    Odds are the state was taking her support payment, applying it to her benefits, then remitting to her only the excess (if any), meaning that the odds are the money went to cover (among other things) TennCare.

    You filed an appeal of which determination, on what basis?

    Clearly that's not a quote. Try sharing the exact language.

    It's not like this is complicated: If you are ordered to pay support and fail to do so, you accrue arrears.

    When you choose not to support your children such that your ex- ends up receiving public assistance, it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to ask for sympathy based on the benefits your ex- received from the state.

    If TennCare investigated and decided that fraud occurred, TennCare is free to act to recover its money, seek prosecution, whatever it wants.

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    Tennessee Support Statute 36-5-101 (h) (1)
    The court may direct the acquisition or maintenance of health insurance covering each child of the marriage and may order either party to pay all, or each party to pay a pro rata share of, the health care costs not paid by insurance proceeds. In no event shall eligibility for or receipt of medicaid or TennCare-Medicaid by the custodial parent be considered to meet the need to provide for the child’s health care needs in the order, if reasonable and affordable health insurance is available.

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    By law she was required to provide insurance on children so if she didn't and she didn't inform Child Support services she had children on TennCare, and she didn't tell TennCare she was receiving money for insurance, what do you call that?
    I know someone that has 2 small children (2 and 6 yrs old) and a wife (that doesn't work) and he makes $17 hr and thats all the income they have and they don't qualify for Food Stamps, how can a household that has a income of $33 hr plus can qualify (children being 18 and 21)?

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    NON-TANF Arrears

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    So what you are saying is that my rights as a Father to make sure my children had health insurance is not important even though I paid for them to have it?
  • 11-10-2012, 09:08 PM
    Dogmatique
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
    Arlene is quite the unusual name for a man.

    That aside, I'm not sure what else you want to read?
  • 11-11-2012, 11:01 AM
    mmmagique
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
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    Arlene is quite the unusual name for a man.

    That's what *I* was going to say!!!
  • 11-11-2012, 11:11 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
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    Quoting Arlene Felts
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    So what you are saying is that my rights as a Father to make sure my children had health insurance is not important even though I paid for them to have it?

    Calm down and try to get some perspective.

    You cannot simultaneously be $39,000 in arrears and claim "I paid her all money". Had you paid your support on time and as ordered you would not have (your words) "got behind in 2009 and owed arrears".

    Beyond noting that contradiction, what I am saying is that you don't know the facts - or if you know them, you're choosing not to share them - and that they're important. We only know what you tell us. We have no ability to investigate your case. I asked a number of questions, you chose not to answer them - that's fine, but all I can do now is say, "Go retain a lawyer and share with him the facts you don't want to share with us."
  • 11-12-2012, 01:32 AM
    Arlene Felts
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
    In 1999 was the divorce (papers say 75 child support 57 to reimburse wife for providing medical insurance of a total of 132 a week to be paid directly to wife)
    In 2007 she went to Child support services
    In 2009 she signed a affidavit saying I only paid 15,000 from 1999-2007 (which I paid)
    In 2009 I did get in arrears with Child Support service due to sickness and death in the family (which I paid)
    In 2012 after kids are grown and out of school I went to child support services to terminate child support and then I was informed 6th months after that about the affidavit (CSS said a glitch in computer)

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    Quote:

    Quoting Mr. Knowitall
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    You filed a motion, you lost, you didn't appeal.

    Odds are the state was taking her support payment, applying it to her benefits, then remitting to her only the excess (if any), meaning that the odds are the money went to cover (among other things) TennCare.

    You filed an appeal of which determination, on what basis?

    Clearly that's not a quote. Try sharing the exact language.

    It's not like this is complicated: If you are ordered to pay support and fail to do so, you accrue arrears.

    When you choose not to support your children such that your ex- ends up receiving public assistance, it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to ask for sympathy based on the benefits your ex- received from the state.

    If TennCare investigated and decided that fraud occurred, TennCare is free to act to recover its money, seek prosecution, whatever it wants.

    chutzpah is thinking the average household income of at least $5,280 a month would qualify for them to receive Food Stamps (without the child support)

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    In 1999 was the divorce (papers say 75 child support 57 to reimburse wife for providing medical insurance of a total of 132 a week to be paid directly to wife)

    In 2007 she went to Child support services

    In 2009 she signed a affidavit saying I only paid 15,000 from *1999-2007* (which I paid directly to her like divorce papers say) That's the 39,000

    In 2009 I did get in arrears with Child Support service due to sickness and death in the family (which I paid with extra 66 a week) That's the 13,000

    In 2012 after kids are grown and out of school I went to child support services to terminate child support and then I was informed 6th months after that about the affidavit (CSS said a glitch in computer)
  • 11-12-2012, 04:15 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Ex Received Money for Insurance but Had Children on Tenncare
    To summarize, we've reached the point at which your questions have been answered, and you want to rant.
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