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Can a Minor Ignore Her Parents' Rule Against Seeing Her Adult Boyfriend
Hello,
I'm an 18 year old resident in the state of Michigan, and I have a relationship with a 15 year old girl. During our relationship, we sent each other sexually graphic messages over the phone and we also committed physical acts of consented sexual relations when I was 17 and she was 14. I've studied the age of consent laws in Michigan and I'm very certain that we didn't break any laws regarding it, but when her parents found out about our sexual relations, they did not know how to handle it. They alienated me and started preventing me from having any contact with their daughter, and when I asked to have a civilized discussion and apologized and truly tried to repent for my actions, they warned me that they would have the authorities arrest me for stalking. They also said if they did arrest me, they would take out a personal protection order against me. Their daughter and I have created a loving and stable relationship without any continuation of sexual relations, yet the parents try to pretend I don't exist. I am willing to wait until their daughter is 18, but I'm willing to do anything to legally and righteously make things work. Do I have to wait until she's 18? Or is there a loophole I am missing? What are my options?
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Hello,
I'm an 18 year old resident in the state of Michigan, and I have a relationship with a 15 year old girl. During our relationship, we sent each other sexually graphic messages over the phone and we also committed physical acts of consented sexual relations when I was 17 and she was 14.
No, you committed a third degree felony, because the law doesn't recognize the ability of a 14 year old to give consent. You're looking at prison time, friend.
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I've studied the age of consent laws in Michigan and I'm very certain that we didn't break any laws regarding it,
Apparantly you can't read, since the very FIRST line of the applicable law says:
750.520d Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree; felony.
Sec. 520d.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:
(a) That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age.
hint: 14 is between 13 and 16
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but when her parents found out about our sexual relations, they did not know how to handle it. They alienated me and started preventing me from having any contact with their daughter, and when I asked to have a civilized discussion and apologized and truly tried to repent for my actions, they warned me that they would have the authorities arrest me for stalking.
The stalking charge should be the least of your worries. It's the felony charge you should be worried about, and the sex offender registration you'd be subjected to.
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They also said if they did arrest me, they would take out a personal protection order against me.
They can seek that even without an arrest.
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Their daughter and I have created a loving and stable relationship without any continuation of sexual relations, yet the parents try to pretend I don't exist. I am willing to wait until their daughter is 18,
It's a bit late for that now - you've already committed the crime.
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but I'm willing to do anything to legally and righteously make things work. Do I have to wait until she's 18? Or is there a loophole I am missing? What are my options?
No there's no loophole. You really need to be speaking to a criminal defense attorney and staying as far away from this girl as possible.
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Way to sound condescending on a supposedly "helpful" site. But I get the between 13 and 16 thing. My problem is that when I look at all of the other rules that are also in effect with that one, I've done nothing illegal. For example, I've done none of these things.
First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520b
(a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree if he or she engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
That other person is under 13 years of age
That other person is at least 13 but less than 16 years of age and any of the following:
The actor is a member of the same household as the victim
The actor is related to the victim by blood or affinity to the fourth degree
The actor is in a position of authority over the victim and used this authority to coerce the victim to submit
Sexual penetration occurs under circumstances involving the commission of any other felony
The actor is aided or abetted by 1 or more other persons and either of the following circumstances exists:
The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in subdivision (f)(i) to (v)
The actor is armed with a weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a weapon
The actor causes personal injury to the victim and force or coercion is used to accomplish sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the following circumstances:
When the actor overcomes the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence
When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to use force or violence on the victim, and the victim believes that the actor has the present ability to execute these threats
When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim, or any other person, and the victim believes that the actor has the ability to execute this threat. As used in this subdivision, "to retaliate" includes threats of physical punishment, kidnapping, or extortion
When the actor engages in the medical treatment or examination of the victim in a manner or for purposes which are medically recognized as up or unacceptable
When the actor, through concealment or by the element of surprise, is able to overcome the victim
The actor causes personal injury to the victim, and the actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
That other person is mentally incapable, mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless, and any of the following:
The actor is related to the victim by blood or affinity to the fourth degree
The actor is in a position of authority over the victim and used this authority to coerce the victim to submit
(b) Criminal sexual conduct in the first degree is a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for life or for any term of years.
Second Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520c (a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the second degree if the person engages in sexual contact with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
That other person is under 13 years of age
That other person is at least 13 but less than 16 years of age and any of the following:
The actor is a member of the same household as the victim
The actor is related by blood or affinity to the fourth degree to the victim
The actor is in a position of authority over the victim and the actor used this authority to coerce the victim to submit
Sexual contact occurs under circumstances involving the commission of any other felony
The actor is aided or abetted by 1 or more other persons and either of the following circumstances exists:
The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual contact. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in sections 520b(1)(f)(i) to (v)
The actor is armed with a weapon, or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead a person to reasonably believe it to be a weapon
The actor causes personal injury to the victim and force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual contact. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in section 520b(1)(f)(i) to (v)
The actor causes personal injury to the victim and the actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
That other person is mentally incapable, mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless, and any of the following:
The actor is related to the victim by blood or affinity to the fourth
The actor is in a position of authority over the victim and used this authority to coerce the victim to submit
(2) Criminal sexual conduct in the second degree is a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 15 years.
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520d (a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age
Force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in section 520b(1)(f)(i) to (v)
The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
(2) Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree is a felony punishable b imprisonment for not more than 15 years.
Fourth Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520e (a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree if he or she engages in sexual contact with another person and if any of the following circumstances, exist:
That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age, and the actor is 5 or more years older than that other person
Force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual contact. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the following circumstances:
When the actor overcomes the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence
When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to use force or violence on the victim, and the victim believes that the actor has the present ability to execute these threats
When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim, or any other person, and the victim believes that the actor has the ability to execute this threat. As used in this subdivision, "to retaliate" includes threats of physical punishments, kidnappings or extortion
When the actor engages in the medical treatment or examination of the victim in a manner or purposes which are medically recognized as unethical or unacceptable
When the actor achieves the sexual contact through concealment or by the element of surprise
The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is, mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
That other person is under the jurisdiction of the department of corrections, and the actor is an employee or a contractual employee of, or a volunteer with, the department of corrections who has knowledge that the other person is under the jurisdiction of the department of corrections
That other person is a prisoner or probationer under the jurisdiction of a county for purposes of imprisonment or a work program or other probationary program and the actor is an employee or a contractual employee of or a volunteer with the county who knows that the other person is under the course jurisdiction
The actor knows or has reason to know that the juvenile division of the probate court, the circuit court, or the recorders court of the city of Detroit has detained the victim in a facility while the victim is awaiting a trial or hearing or committed the victim to a facility as a result of the victim having been found responsible for committing an act that would be a crime if committed by an adult, and the actor is an employee or contractual employee of, or a volunteer with, the facility in which the victim is detained or to which the victim was committed
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Way to sound condescending on a supposedly "helpful" site
If you want your hand held and someone to coo at you that everything will be OK, pay an attorney. The answer, incidentally, will be the same as what Catherine gave you, but with a charming smile and a big price tag.
It doesn't matter what YOU want. Until she reaches the age of 18, her parents are GOD. They can lock her in her room when she's not in school, put bars on her windows...and there's nothing for you to do about it. They get to make the rules, and that includes who their daughter may have contact with, and in what fashion. They don't owe you ANY attention or respect whatsoever. If they want to pretend you don't exist, tough. You'd do well to leave 'em be, lest you find yourself brought up on charges.
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My problem is that when I look at all of the other rules that are also in effect with that one, I've done nothing illegal.
No, your problem is that you had sex with a child who was legally unable to consent, which is a third degree felony. The statute says "any of the following circumstances", not "all".
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Ok - for clarification...let's try this again:
750.520d Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree; felony.
Sec. 520d.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:
(a) That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age.
You can lead a horse to water....you can even beat it with a stick....but you cannot make it listen to that which it doesn't want to hear nor comprehend that which is in black and white. This statute is pretty straight forward, compared to other states which practically require a flow chart to figure them out. It doesn't need or allow for much in the way of interpretation. You don't need to get past the first sentence: She's 14. Sex with her is a felony. Done. (no Romeo & Juliet exception in Michigan)
(Hearing often doesn't start until attention is garnered via the placement of handcuffs...THEN they'll be some listening, anthough the comprehension may still be absent. That's why the recommendation for a criminal defense attorney.)
OP, if you'd like to prove to yourself that your actions thus far are within the law, go walk up to a local police officer and say "hey, I've been having sex with a 14 year old, will you go with me to her parent's house and tell them it's ok?".
Get back to us and let us know how that goes, but before you puff up your chest with confidence and go to do ANYTHING other than staying away from this CHILD until she's an adult, keep in mind that:
(2) Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree is a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 15 years.
No one can stop you from potentially arguing your way into prison, if you're determined. Note that "true love" is NOT a legal defense to the criminal charge, even if your plans are to eventually marry her. The crime in question has already been committed, and the time during which the state can bring charges against you doesn't even START counting down until the minor reaches 18 - and, the STATE can bring the criminal charge, even if the victim or her parents don't want that to happen. ANYONE with knowledge of the crime can report it to authorities, and at that point, you're in a world of problems. So again, for the sake of your own FREEDOM, stay AWAY from this girl AND her family.
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I was a minor myself when the acts were committed. I understand if that doesn't change anything, but could that have been overlooked? I wasn't an adult at the time.
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There is no loophole.
Leave. Her. Alone.
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I was a minor myself when the acts were committed. I understand if that doesn't change anything, but could that have been overlooked? I wasn't an adult at the time.
What has been overlooked is your prosecution. Please save the taxpayers some money and turn yourself in tomorrow with a written confession. It sounds like you will be heading there soon anyway.
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Way to sound condescending on a supposedly "helpful" site. But I get the between 13 and 16 thing. My problem is that when I look at all of the other rules that are also in effect with that one, I've done nothing illegal. For example, I've done none of these things.
did you drop out of school? are you a complete moron?
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Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520d (a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age
Force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in section 520b(1)(f)(i) to (v)
The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
that is different than ALL or at least 2 of or anything else. It means if ANY of the situations describe took place, you have committed a felony
the following was written before I saw you asking about you being a minor as well. As you can read, it doesn't make any difference.
btw: my kids went to school with another kid that was charged for having sex with a 15 yo girl. He was only a month or two older at 16. Her parents got real pissed and called the cops.
He has the great right to notify the police once every year where he lives since he is now on the sex offender registry.
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I was a minor myself when the acts were committed. I understand if that doesn't change anything, but could that have been overlooked?
NO. You were over the AOC. She was UNDER.
Third Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct - Section 750.520d (a) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age
That says "the person", not "the adult".
Kid, I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked another one whose penis has gotten him in trouble: Did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast? Did you really, truly, honestly believe that banging a 14 year-old was a good idea?
You stomped in here all full of swagger and bravado and the absolute surety that you were right and we were all just a bunch of condescending morons who just didn't understand that you didn't do anything wrong. Guess that didn't help you, did it? I get that you are looking for a way out of your mess, but THERE ISN'T ONE. Keep your John Thomas in your pants, and stay the ever-loving hell away from that child and her family, unless you relish the idea of long term reservations the L'Hôtel du Greybar and a supply of orange pajamas.
You are in water of the hottest kind, and if you land in the fire, you're going to need the services of a pro in short order.
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so, I would suggest your put the tools away, be very nice to the parents so they do not report this to the police, and leave the girl alone. That means; do not call her. Do not text her. Do not meet up with her somewhere. Do not accept phone calls or texts from her.
If you anger her parents, you could end up in prison until you are 30 something.
Leave the kid alone.
btw: Your friends parents are being a lot nicer than I would be. In fact, the police really would be the least of your worries if it was my little girl you were messing with, and it would all look completely legal because the way things would happen, it would be legal.
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Is everyone THIS ignorant? You know nothing of the situation. You presume I'm some nasty perverted guy. Truth is, I never tried to say what I did was "right" or "okay." It was actually a huge mistake. I hadn't known she was young for a while. I got feelings. Then things happened that were not supposed to happen, and then I regretted it. I tried to repent even. I realized it was not right. The parents wouldn't even ask me why I did what I did. They didn't ask if I was sorry. They didn't even ask if I was brain dead for making such a bad decision. I tried to mend the situation, but there's obviously nothing I can do. I WILL wait until she becomes an adult though. I don't want another girl if I can't have this one, and that has NOTHING to do with her physically. I've never been more honest with a person. So everyone who presumes I'm some twisted freak, you should think about your fellow human and the one mistake they made and regret. Wouldn't you want that for yourself? What mistakes have you made?
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Is everyone THIS ignorant? You know nothing of the situation. You presume I'm some nasty perverted guy. Truth is, I never tried to say what I did was "right" or "okay." It was actually a huge mistake. I hadn't known she was young for a while. I got feelings. Then things happened that were not supposed to happen, and then I regretted it. I tried to repent even. I realized it was not right. The parents wouldn't even ask me why I did what I did. They didn't ask if I was sorry. They didn't even ask if I was brain dead for making such a bad decision. I tried to mend the situation, but there's obviously nothing I can do. I WILL wait until she becomes an adult though. I don't want another girl if I can't have this one, and that has NOTHING to do with her physically. I've never been more honest with a person. So everyone who presumes I'm some twisted freak, you should think about your fellow human and the one mistake they made and regret. Wouldn't you want that for yourself? What mistakes have you made?
Oh cry me a river.
She didn't know she was "young"? Whyever not?
The fact that you're obsessing to THIS degree is actually quite worrisome. Have you sought counseling?
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=IAM1994;657040]Is everyone THIS ignorant?
are you this ignorant? You were told what you did was illegal. You wanted to argue and say it wasn't. Several people pointed out your apparent error and showed you that you were in fact wrong and you have committed a felony that could put you in prison for 15 years.
Now, if you want to play with the little girl, have at it. Plan on spending a lot of time in prison. You were warned.
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You know nothing of the situation.
Reallly? What do I need to know. You were having sex with a little bitty girl. I don't need to know anymore than that. There is no excuse for what you did and now that you know all the facts, you attempting to continue with your relationship is sheer stupidity.
You presume I'm some nasty perverted guy.
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Truth is, I never tried to say what I did was "right" or "okay."
actually, you did exactly that when you argued it was not criminal.
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It was actually a huge mistake.
you bet it was and if you are smart, you will zip your zipper and stay away from the little girl for a long time.
I hadn't known she was young for a while. I got feelings. Then things happened that were not supposed to happen, and then I regretted it. I tried to repent even. I realized it was not right.
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The parents wouldn't even ask me why I did what I did. They didn't ask if I was sorry
.It doesn't make any difference if you were sorry. They don't care why you did it because it doesn't matter. You committed a felony. There is no excuse for that.
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What mistakes have you made?
thinking you would understand that you can go to prison for a long time from this and think it would make a difference.
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jk, have you ever had unlawful intercourse with a minor?
I have never had unlawful intercourse with a minor.
My kids have never had unlawful intercourse with a minor.
We are so abnormal!
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I am a complete freak. I waited until I was 28, you read that right. He was 27.
Young man....you have no legal loopholes. As long as she lives under her parents roof, it's their house, their rules. So even when she turns 18 and is living at home, her parents can still tell her she can't see you.
In the meantime, if you do see her - one little phone call to the police, and you will be spending the rest of your life on the Sex Offender Registry. That will make finding an apartment difficult; finding work difficult; because you will not be allowed anywhere near children. Some people actually will do their best to run a sex offender out of their neighborhood.
Best to go consult with a Criminal Defense Attorney in case charges do get filed against you, and have no contact with her until she is 18 or out of high school (whichever comes last) and out of her parents home.
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I was a minor myself when the acts were committed. I understand if that doesn't change anything, but could that have been overlooked? I wasn't an adult at the time.
We understand that you were a minor at the time. That has not been overlooked. It does not change anything. You are still guilty of a crime that could land you in big-boy prison.
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You know nothing of the situation.
Sure we do. You committed a third degree felony that will have lifelong consequences for you if you don't get the hell over yourself right now.
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The parents wouldn't even ask me why I did what I did. They didn't ask if I was sorry. They didn't even ask if I was brain dead for making such a bad decision.
So? What makes you think any of this is necessary? You're lucky Daddio didn't come after you with a shotgun. If it was MY underage daughter you raped, you wouldn't hear me asking "Are you sorry?", either, because I'd have killed you with my bare hands. Yes, raped. That's what it's called when someone is not legally able to consent.
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I don't want another girl if I can't have this one
Oh, lawdy. Stupid flakes drowned in melodrama. YOU might wait around and pine away for the next four years, but she's not going to. She'll find someone more age appropriate, and if you weren't so selfish and self-centered, you'd understand that she's got the entirety of high school ahead of her, with Homecoming and Prom and all the attendant activities that she's going to want to participate in.
Grow up and get over yourself.
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All if you people are f***ed up. I came here's seeking help, and all I got was people making back handed comments on how I need to put my dick away. Just because I was trying to see If it wasn't illegal does NOT mean I tried to justify it. Not everything that is illegal is bad. For example, medical marijuana, gay marriage, and spitting on the sidewalk in one of our 50 states... I thought the people on here were educated. I thought she was a junior when I was a senior. When I found out she was younger, I started backing off. I made jokes about the age difference because I knew I couldn't be with her. Then she started getting upset that I kept bringing it up. So I stopped. We started talking more and I we eventually put a label on our relationship. I treated her like a princess. Not once did I make her feel out of place or upset. She told me that it was the first time she could ever be herself with someone, and that's how she got too comfortable and STUPID THINGS HAPPENED. I never even asked her or coerced her to do anything. I know I'm STILL in the wrong, by knowing that I broke the law is STILL KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE SITUATION. Besides, how many times have you heard about the older guy being physical with the younger girl and actually WORKING TO FIX THINGS rather than being a coward and just forgetting about the girl? I know that all I can do is stay away from them for now, but I will fix this. As for all of you impulsive ignoramuses who would "grab your shotgun" or tell me I'm an idiot when I already know that, maybe you should stop using this site. Go hurt the people around you rather than random strangers desperately seeking guidance.
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Are you mentally ill or developmentally delayed? From what you've been posting here, you appear to be both extremely immature and in serious need of psychiatric help.
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You received help. We advised you to stop breaking the law and to lay low, so you do not get charged with the laws you have already broken. Your hormones are over riding your brain.
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STILL KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE SITUATION.
What makes you think anyone here should CARE about your "situation"? We're not here to offer counseling and support, we're here to tell you what the law says, and the law says you're in some serious trouble. Go on, keep it up. The judge isn't going to care about your "situation" either. We've already told you how to fix things: Stay. Away. From. The. Child. That's your only option.
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Go hurt the people around you rather than random strangers desperately seeking guidance.
Spare me. We gave you guidance: Leave the child alone and talk with a criminal defense attorney. You didn't want guidance, you wanted to tell us how wrong we are. You're pissed that your foot stomping isn't changing our answers, and now you want us to feel sorry for you. Not happening.
I'm in agreement with Mr. K, you need some help. Avail yourself of your community's counseling resources post-haste.
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I think OP shows a really good reason the parents don't want him around well beyond the fact he is schtupping their daughter.
op has shown a very immature attitude and an unhealthy level of obsessiveness.
and uam1994: i told you what would happen if I were the father of the girl. I don't go around attacking random strangers. I protect my minor children with the the fervor and tenacity of a honey badger looking for food...
and you know why?
because honey badger don't care
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At least you didn't bring up Honey Boo Boo... :p
I'm flummoxed though about one thing. How does smoking weed equate to "molesting children is okay, really" ?
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At least you didn't bring up Honey Boo Boo... :p
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well, honey badger don't care about honey boo boo