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That would be "Kudos" to the person who told you nothing useful, because it was what you wanted to hear, while you continue to cry like a baby when you're told anything different. If you acted like this at work, no small wonder they wanted you gone.
You haven't said anything either. So what I made a typo, people do it all the time including you. Mr. Knowitall. And now you are being rude too. All this talk comes to show you that some people think that they can just say anything, but can't handle it when it's said back to them. Who's a spoil and defensive brat now?
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PandorasBox
For a person who claims "BA, MBA honor student in Business Adm." - your spelling and grammar are horrible.
If you really feel you have an EEOC claim - go see a local lawyer.
Like I said before, people make typo's all the time including you. And YES you read it right. BA, MBA honor student. I may have some typo's here but guess what? I've presented many well written papers in ALL of my classes that required a thesis, or research. My grades can prove it. Now what degree do you have perfect Pandora?
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You sound as if you think I actually care about your opinion of me. Well, I've got some news for you, pal...I don't. :cool:
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He's not, he's lying. There's absolutely no way someone who writes and spells as appallingly badly as this guy could possibly have made it out of kindergarten.
Someone please lock this thread and ban this guy, he's turning into a major PITA.
Don't hate. Just participate in the question. I see why you DON"T have a degree. You can't even stay focus on the topic here. For this cause, It will be very difficult for you to write a research paper. NEXT!!!!
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[QUOTE=free9man;644521]Okay, I was gonna drop this but I've got a few free minutes. I call BS on that. You either have no such degree, got it in a foreign country that didn't address US law or were asleep during some of your classes.
A complaint was made against you, that requires a victim. You notice I was PC enough to say alleged victim in my comment.
If you speak to people in real life the same way you huff and puff on here, I can understand the problem. Upper management can conclude that it's harassment based on the facts gathered. In your case, they chose to believe it.
Nope. Someone else might ask the question in a manner that she did not take as harassing.
No, no, no. There are no violations here. Show us the law, an actual law, that backs up your ridiculous statements.
I don't have to show you mine. I can't prove a negative. In the workplace, your right to free speech CAN be limited...especially with regards to someone who has made a harassment complaint against you. As to the bolded part, you obviously know nothing about the law. If there is no law saying you can or cannot do something, it is free game for employers to make their own rules.
Actually, I've been a supervisor in multiple high-traffic, Fortune 500 company locations. Guess who everyone's favorite supervisor was? Believe it or not, there were several times I had to separate employees who were acting like 5 year olds (sound familiar) from others. I have even, in conflicts, made employees not speak to each other or go near each other. You were being rude by dismissing people obviously FAR more experienced because they didn't say what you wanted them to.
Nah I'm not the sensitive one here. I wasn't telling you how to behave, I was just pointing out you were acting rude. What's the problem? Go look in a mirror.
You also have failed to demonstrate any discrimination. The mere fact that she is white and you are black does not automatically make it a racial thing. If a Caucasian, Asian or Middle Eastern person spoke to her as you did, she may or may not have responded differently. If you can't prove it either way, you don't have much of a case at all. Your prior good relationship apparently was not enough to overcome how you dealt with her on the occasion she complained, nor to convince the company you didn't act inappropriately.[/QU
HOLD UP. WAIT A MINUTE!!!! To those who are calling me rude and saying that I must have been rude to the white female you are ALL WRONG! I only asked a simple, non-harrassing question of what was the difference between sales and retail. That's it. You people need to look up the word harassment before you come on this site making an as......of yourself. I rather make typo's then to come here and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. At least I'm smart enough to know the LEGAL meaning of harrassment which had NOTHING to do with my situation.
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HOLD UP. WAIT A MINUTE!!!! To those who are calling me rude and saying that I must have been rude to the white female you are ALL WRONG! I only asked a simple, non-harrassing question of what was the difference between sales and retail. That's it.
Based on your continued attitude on here, it's kind of easy to imagine how you behave in the real world.
I'm sorry. There is absolutely no way imaginable that things occurred as you have described. You described multiple interactions with the victim, which you made sound positive. Then you went to her, with a straight face and normal tone, asked her one time "Excuse me Sally, what is the difference between sales and retail?" and she ran to HR and reported you for harassment. Nope, not believable at all.
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You people need to look up the word harassment before you come on this site making an as......of yourself. I rather make typo's then to come here and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. At least I'm smart enough to know the LEGAL meaning of harrassment which had NOTHING to do with my situation.
We know what harassment is. You're right, the legal definition of harassment has nothing to do with your situation. Companies are free to be more strict in their interpretation. Further, since you quit it is not relevant anymore. As to your typos, it's not just as simple as typos. You are using entirely wrong words that, in the context of what you are saying, make no sense. And no, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
So again, where is your evidence this comes within the same galaxy as racial discrimation? If you feel you have a case, go to an employment law attorney and see what they say.
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[QUOTE=knowyourrights;644548]You haven't said anything either. So what I made a typo, people do it all the time including you. Mr. Knowitall. And now you are being rude too. All this talk comes to show you that some people think that they can just say anything, but can't handle it when it's said back to them. Who's a spoil and defensive brat now?
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Like I said before, people make typo's all the time including you. And YES you read it right. BA, MBA honor student. I may have some typo's here but guess what? I've presented many well written papers in ALL of my classes that required a thesis, or research. My grades can prove it. Now what degree do you have perfect Pandora?
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Don't hate. Just participate in the question. I see why you DON"T have a degree. You can't even stay focus on the topic here. For this cause, It will be very difficult for you to write a research paper. NEXT!!!!
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free9man
Okay, I was gonna drop this but I've got a few free minutes. I call BS on that. You either have no such degree, got it in a foreign country that didn't address US law or were asleep during some of your classes.
A complaint was made against you, that requires a victim. You notice I was PC enough to say alleged victim in my comment.
If you speak to people in real life the same way you huff and puff on here, I can understand the problem. Upper management can conclude that it's harassment based on the facts gathered. In your case, they chose to believe it.
Nope. Someone else might ask the question in a manner that she did not take as harassing.
No, no, no. There are no violations here. Show us the law, an actual law, that backs up your ridiculous statements.
I don't have to show you mine. I can't prove a negative. In the workplace, your right to free speech CAN be limited...especially with regards to someone who has made a harassment complaint against you. As to the bolded part, you obviously know nothing about the law. If there is no law saying you can or cannot do something, it is free game for employers to make their own rules.
Actually, I've been a supervisor in multiple high-traffic, Fortune 500 company locations. Guess who everyone's favorite supervisor was? Believe it or not, there were several times I had to separate employees who were acting like 5 year olds (sound familiar) from others. I have even, in conflicts, made employees not speak to each other or go near each other. You were being rude by dismissing people obviously FAR more experienced because they didn't say what you wanted them to.
Nah I'm not the sensitive one here. I wasn't telling you how to behave, I was just pointing out you were acting rude. What's the problem? Go look in a mirror.
You also have failed to demonstrate any discrimination. The mere fact that she is white and you are black does not automatically make it a racial thing. If a Caucasian, Asian or Middle Eastern person spoke to her as you did, she may or may not have responded differently. If you can't prove it either way, you don't have much of a case at all. Your prior good relationship apparently was not enough to overcome how you dealt with her on the occasion she complained, nor to convince the company you didn't act inappropriately.[/QU
HOLD UP. WAIT A MINUTE!!!! To those who are calling me rude and saying that I must have been rude to the white female you are ALL WRONG! I only asked a simple, non-harrassing question of what was the difference between sales and retail. That's it. You people need to look up the word harassment before you come on this site making an as......of yourself. I rather make typo's then to come here and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. At least I'm smart enough to know the LEGAL meaning of harrassment which had NOTHING to do with my situation.
NEWS FLASH EVERYONE!!!!! Just got a call from the EEOC. I TOLD YALL I WAS RIGHT ON IT!!! The company is in trouble for (4) reasons.
(1) They accused me of false harrassment
(2) They tried to force me to sign a blank paper to make me admit to harassing her
(3) They could not tell me to STOP speaking to her and to stay a 1000 ft away.
(4) It WAS racial discrimination for the fact they were all white and was trying to triple team me because I'm a black male. They were trying to make me look like a dirty Harry...I DON"T THINK SO!
CHING CHING!!!!!
Re: Was It a Racial Discrimination Cover Up of My Former Employer and Can I Sue Them
I don't think so either. The EEOC does not announce their findings by phone, and they certainly don't do it this soon after a claim.
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Re: Was It a Racial Discrimination Cover Up of My Former Employer and Can I Sue Them
Wow, just read through this idiot's posts - what a loser! No life whatsoever, just spends all his time flaming complete strangers on the internet! He needs to go, and soon.
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NEWS FLASH EVERYONE!!!!! Just got a call from the EEOC. I TOLD YALL I WAS RIGHT ON IT!!! The company is in trouble for (4) reasons.
That's a pretty pathetic attempt at a lie.
Look up the doctrine of "at-will" employment. This is something that applies to you, and it's why they could have fired you even if they were wrong about the harassment. But you saved them the trouble. You quit. And that's entirely on you. The employer is not liable for "making" you quit. Period. That's just a fact.
No, they can't force you to sign a piece of paper. Not unless they hold a gun to your head. So what? They didn't do that.
As a matter of fact, you're right about one thing. They can't "make" you stop speaking to the lady. Again, not unless they hold a gun to your head or duct tape your mouth shut--and that would have been illegal. But they sure as heck could have legally fired you if you had refused to stop speaking to her. Their workplace, their rules, and if you want to remain employed you are obliged to abide by every single one of them. You might want to remember that on your next job.
Being a black male over 40 years old doesn't mean they can't get rid of you. It just means they can't do so because you're black, or male, or over 40. And, they didn't. They got rid of you because you're a jerk. Unfortunately for you, "jerk" is not a protected class.
And, typos? Please. Nobody's buying that. I suggest you use some of this free time you have now to take some remedial classes to make you a better candidate for jobs that require good writing and grammar skills.
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LawResearcherMissy
If I had a nickel for every time I had to explain this, I'd be able to afford that glorious winery in Traverse City I so covet, and I'd never have to work again, either.
Freedom of speech is non-existent on private property. That means your employer can tell you to STFU. That means I can tell you to STFU. That means the cashier in the grocery store can tell you to STFU. And what can you do about it? You can STFU or be removed from the premises.
The First Amendment only protects your right to speak freely without fear of GOVERNMENT retribution. Everyone else gets to regulate how you speak on their property.
That might work if I was at their house, or on their personal property in which he or she lives, but that WON"T fly with the EEOC. Employers must set a standard according to the EECO guidelines once they hire 15, or employees. This fool was literally calling me a sex offender in front of my face...This 1000 ft away crap applies to offenders who has actual committed a sinful and shameful act. NOT because they asked a darn questtion about sales and retail. How dumb is that?
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Apparently not as dumb as the person who keeps lying on this thread.
Ho hum!
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free9man
Based on your continued attitude on here, it's kind of easy to imagine how you behave in the real world.
I'm sorry. There is absolutely no way imaginable that things occurred as you have described. You described multiple interactions with the victim, which you made sound positive. Then you went to her, with a straight face and normal tone, asked her one time "Excuse me Sally, what is the difference between sales and retail?" and she ran to HR and reported you for harassment. Nope, not believable at all.
We know what harassment is. You're right, the legal definition of harassment has nothing to do with your situation. Companies are free to be more strict in their interpretation. Further, since you quit it is not relevant anymore. As to your typos, it's not just as simple as typos. You are using entirely wrong words that, in the context of what you are saying, make no sense. And no, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
So again, where is your evidence this comes within the same galaxy as racial discrimation? If you feel you have a case, go to an employment law attorney and see what they say.
As I said before people make typos ALL THE TIME including you. I've just seen were a typo was made on the government job site. OK!! So I can promise that you have, will and always make typos too. As for harassment, that's a down right LIE.. Sure an employer may twist and misuse the meaning. However, it dosen't make it right. Ask the EEOC.
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I don't think so either. The EEOC does not announce their findings by phone, and they certainly don't do it this soon after a claim.
I never told you when I started my claim. So how can you say "soon after" WRONG AGAIN NEXT!!!!
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That's a pretty pathetic attempt at a lie.
Look up the doctrine of "at-will" employment. This is something that applies to you, and it's why they could have fired you even if they were wrong about the harassment. But you saved them the trouble. You quit. And that's entirely on you. The employer is not liable for "making" you quit. Period. That's just a fact.
No, they can't force you to sign a piece of paper. Not unless they hold a gun to your head. So what? They didn't do that.
As a matter of fact, you're right about one thing. They can't "make" you stop speaking to the lady. Again, not unless they hold a gun to your head or duct tape your mouth shut--and that would have been illegal. But they sure as heck could have legally fired you if you had refused to stop speaking to her. Their workplace, their rules, and if you want to remain employed you are obliged to abide by every single one of them. You might want to remember that on your next job.
Being a black male over 40 years old doesn't mean they can't get rid of you. It just means they can't do so because you're black, or male, or over 40. And, they didn't. They got rid of you because you're a jerk. Unfortunately for you, "jerk" is not a protected class.
And, typos? Please. Nobody's buying that. I suggest you use some of this free time you have now to take some remedial classes to make you a better candidate for jobs that require good writing and grammar skills.
NONSENSE!!!!! That why you are NOT an attorney. Stop hating on a brother.
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Apparently not as dumb as the person who keeps lying on this thread.
Ho hum!
Yeah. DOG fits you perfectly. DOGmatique.
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Wow, just read through this idiot's posts - what a loser! No life whatsoever, just spends all his time flaming complete strangers on the internet! He needs to go, and soon.
Don't hate. Participate. Yall TOOOO jealous!!!