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Jailed Over an Unpaid Speeding Ticket
My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: Washington.
I need some advice on which steps I need to take.
I'm a Canadian citizen I live in Vancouver BC.
3 years ago I got a speeding ticket in Snohomish County. Which I forgot about and did not pay.
Two days ago I was heading home from Stanwood and got pulled over for speeding in Whatcom County.
I was then arrested and taken directly to jail.
My friends bailed me out for $250.00 US.
I now have a court date on June 22 in Bellingham(Whatcom)
Today paid the ticket I received on thursday.
My questions are:
How do I find out what I owe and how do I pay the outstanding ticket if I don't have the ticket anymore?
Can I drive myself to my court date in Whatcom or is my licence still suspended?
Why am I going to court?
Do I need a lawyer?
I'm not sure what I need to do. I have never been to court and I certainly had never been to Jail before.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
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You can see if the court is able to tell you what amount you owe. They may not be able to do so before your hearing, but they're still your best bet.
If you have not reinstated your driving privileges in Washington State, your license is still suspended.
You are going to court because you failed to pay your ticket and... for reasons you have not shared. Perhaps you are facing a contempt charge. Perhaps you were charged with driving on a suspended license.
It wouldn't hurt to consult a lawyer, particularly if you're facing a criminal charge for DWLS.
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I have no other charges I have never had any run ins with the law.
How do I reinstate my licence? I do not have the original ticket from 3 years ago. I would like to pay it so I can drive myself to court on friday.
I'm pretty sure the reason I went to jail was because my licence was suspended for that outstanding ticket.
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You have to take care of court first, and then go do the paperwork and pay the fees to DOL to get your license reinstated. You can't do it the other way around. Your license is suspended because you didn't take care of the notice of infraction. Now, the option of just paying the fine by mail is out the window. Now, you can only take care of it by appearing before a judge. And, DOL aint going to reinstate you license until after the court thing is taken care of. You don't need your original citation. The court knows what you were charged with.
You can look on the paperwork you got when you were released from jail to see why you went to jail...In fact, you would be well advised to do so! On that paperwork I'm pretty sure that you will find a new court date for a new charge of driving on a suspended license! So, now you have to take care of the original ticket in traffic court AND the new charge in criminal court...THEN you can go work things out with DOL.
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sheesh!
ok well thank you for your help. I'm going to try to find a lawyer in whatcom county. Any recommendations?
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Rachel. I'm from Vancouver as well and have very similar, as well as recent story as yours - Speeding ticket from several years ago that went unpaid. A week ago got pulled over and issued criminal citation for driving with suspended license - news to me as well! Unlike you, fortunately I wasn't arrested and was able to get my passenger to take over driving.
As far as you being arrested, RCW 46.23.020 - Reciprocal agreements authorized — Provisions states:
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(2) Such agreements shall provide that if a person licensed by either state or province is issued a citation by the other state or province for a moving traffic violation covered by the agreement, he shall not be detained or required to furnish bail or collateral, and that if he fails to comply with the terms of the citation, his license shall be suspended or renewal refused by the state or province that issued the license until the home jurisdiction is notified by the issuing jurisdiction that he has complied with the terms of the citation.
If we examine the definition of "citation" in Chapter 46.23 RCW Nonresident violator compact it states:
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(1) "Citation" means any summons, ticket, notice of infraction, or other official document issued by a police officer for a traffic offense containing an order which requires the motorist to respond.
I have a serious concern that it's possible that you legally should NOT have been arrested, or required to furnish bail. So you definitely should express that concern to an attorney.
I've made a bit of headway in my research and getting the ball rolling with settling mine, including my first court appearance. If you want maybe we can pool our research and legal advice together. Either reply here, or send me a PM!
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Rachel. I'm from Vancouver as well and have very similar, as well as recent story as yours - Speeding ticket from several years ago that went unpaid. A week ago got pulled over and issued criminal citation for driving with suspended license - news to me as well! Unlike you, fortunately I wasn't arrested and was able to get my passenger to take over driving.
As far as you being arrested, RCW 46.23.020 - Reciprocal agreements authorized — Provisions states:
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(2) Such agreements shall provide that if a person licensed by either state or province is issued a citation by the other state or province for a moving traffic violation covered by the agreement, he shall not be detained or required to furnish bail or collateral, and that if he fails to comply with the terms of the citation, his license shall be suspended or renewal refused by the state or province that issued the license until the home jurisdiction is notified by the issuing jurisdiction that he has complied with the terms of the citation.
If we examine the definition of "citation" in Chapter 46.23 RCW Nonresident violator compact it states:
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(1) "Citation" means any summons, ticket, notice of infraction, or other official document issued by a police officer for a traffic offense containing an order which requires the motorist to respond.
I have a serious concern that it's possible that you legally should NOT have been arrested, or required to furnish bail. So you definitely should express that concern to an attorney.
I think you're misreading 46.23.020.
The procedures under that section were applied correctly to the issuing of the speeding citation that the OP received 3 years ago.
She was not detained nor required to furnish bail or collateral...
She failed to compply with the terms of the citation, i.e. she failed to appear or pay the fine.
Her driving privilege was suspended in WA, and her home jurisdiction was notified.
Her license was suspended by her home jurisdiction.
She was subsequently caught driving on a suspended license which is a criminal charge in WA (it is no longer a "moving traffic violation" - See RCW 46.20.342) and was subsequently arrested and eventually bailed out.
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I think you're misreading 46.23.020.
The procedures under that section were applied correctly to the issuing of the speeding citation that the OP received 3 years ago.
She was not detained nor required to furnish bail or collateral...
She failed to compply with the terms of the citation, i.e. she failed to appear or pay the fine.
Her driving privilege was suspended in WA, and her home jurisdiction was notified.
Her license was suspended by her home jurisdiction.
She was subsequently caught driving on a suspended license which is a criminal charge in WA (it is no longer a "moving traffic violation" - See RCW 46.20.342) and was subsequently arrested and eventually bailed out.
Please note the home jurisdiction of OP and myself as British Columbia, Canada. I, and most likely her as well have not had our licenses suspended by the governing body of licensing & insurance, ICBC in our home jurisdiction. Just to clarify, I presume that Washington, USA has no jurisdiction over our license, only our privilege to drive in the state. I've read that this is apparently tracked with a driver license number that is created for Canadians in the system. The wording in the legislation and the fact that my criminal citation has the 'traffic' checkbox marked off on the ticket makes the wording vague enough to suggest her double checking whether her arrest and bail was legal under the above noted reciprocal agreement. Couldn't at the very least hurt to ask.
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So, now you have to take care of the original ticket in traffic court AND the new charge in criminal court...THEN you can go work things out with DOL.
Regarding this post above, I've read several threads that gave specific examples of how other people paid off their outstanding tickets and reinstated their license FIRST with the DOL prior to their trial date. They provided documentation proving this reinstatement to the prosecutor and were able to work out a deal to reduce the matter to a civil infraction & fine, or dismiss it altogether. This needs to be double checked with an attorney as well.
Please advise me if there is anything I have missed in best getting this matter resolved. Really appreciating the advice and feedback!
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Please note the home jurisdiction of OP and myself as British Columbia, Canada.
Well, simple.. here you go:
RCW 46.23.020 Reciprocal agreements authorized — Provisions.
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(1) The Washington state department of licensing is authorized and encouraged to execute a reciprocal agreement with the Canadian province of British Columbia, and with any other state which is not a member of the nonresident violator compact, concerning the rendering of mutual assistance in the disposition of traffic infractions committed by persons licensed in one state or province while in the jurisdiction of the other.
(2) Such agreements shall provide that if a person licensed by either state or province is issued a citation by the other state or province for a moving traffic violation covered by the agreement, he shall not be detained or required to furnish bail or collateral, and that if he fails to comply with the terms of the citation, his license shall be suspended or renewal refused by the state or province that issued the license until the home jurisdiction is notified by the issuing jurisdiction that he has complied with the terms of the citation.
(3) Such agreement shall also provide such terms and procedures as are necessary and proper to facilitate its administration.
[1982 c 212 § 2.]
But in reality, it makes little difference if any:
Here is the summary of what's transpired if her suspension was only in effect in WA:
- The procedures under that section were applied correctly to the issuing of the speeding citation that the OP received 3 years ago.
- She was not detained nor required to furnish bail or collateral...
- She failed to comply with the terms of the citation, i.e. she failed to appear or pay the fine.
- Her driving privilege was suspended in WA -------------------
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- She was subsequently caught driving on a suspended license which is a criminal charge in WA (it is no longer a "moving traffic violation" - See RCW 46.20.342) and was subsequently arrested and eventually bailed out.
And here is the summary of what's transpired if her suspension is also in effect in BC:
- The procedures under that section were applied correctly to the issuing of the speeding citation that the OP received 3 years ago.
- She was not detained nor required to furnish bail or collateral...
- She failed to compply with the terms of the citation, i.e. she failed to appear or pay the fine.
- Her driving privilege was suspended in WA, and her home jurisdiction was notified.
- Her license was suspended by her home jurisdiction.
- She was subsequently caught driving on a suspended license which is a criminal charge in WA (it is no longer a "moving traffic violation" - See RCW 46.20.342) and was subsequently arrested and eventually bailed out.
The end result (the underlined portion) is still the same simply because you were caught driving while suspended in Washington!
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I, and most likely her as well have not had our licenses suspended by the governing body of licensing & insurance, ICBC in our home jurisdiction.
I find it mind boggling that you have not made an inquiry to find out where you stand!
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Just to clarify, I presume that Washington, USA has no jurisdiction over our license, only our privilege to drive in the state.
Just to clarify, I never suggested that Washington has jurisdiction. You'll note that I did specifically state that "her home jurisdiction was notified" AND "Her license was suspended by her home jurisdiction". But again, that has little weight on the final outcome. You both, were caught in violation of your driving privilege restriction in Washington.
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The wording in the legislation and the fact that my criminal citation has the 'traffic' checkbox marked off on the ticket makes the wording vague enough to suggest her double checking whether her arrest and bail was legal under the above noted reciprocal agreement.
Its not the least bit vague... But here, this should clarify it (it really does help to read what is posted sometimes):
From RCW 46.20.342
Fron subsection (c)(iv)
(c) A person who violates this section when his or her driver's license or driving privilege is, at the time of the violation, suspended or revoked solely because:
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(iv) the person has failed to respond to a notice of traffic infraction, failed to appear at a requested hearing, violated a written promise to appear in court, or has failed to comply with the terms of a notice of traffic infraction or citation, as provided in RCW 46.20.289
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...or any combination of (c)(i) through (vii) of this subsection,
is guilty of driving while license suspended or revoked in the third degree, a misdemeanor.
Of course the "traffic" box is checked, it is, after all, a "TRAFFIC" matter.
Even if it were vague, the fact that she WAS arrested, booked, processed and allowed to bail out, should really make it crystal clear for anyone who's doubtful.
It is a criminal matter, she was previously released on her own recognizance, and that didn't work out with her in the end (or you for that matter), so the second time around, she gets to post bail in case she decides to not appear again (and you should have gone through the same procedure as well).
You might note that it appears that the OP's appearance date was scheduled for the 22nd, which might suggest she is done with her ordeal!
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Once again, the analysis above confirms that the original poster should seek professional legal advice, as has been suggested all along.
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I find it mind boggling that you have not made an inquiry to find out where you stand!
According to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia (ICBC), BC does not have a reciprocal agreement with Washington for traffic violations, so a cross-border speeding ticket would not affect a driver’s record or insurance in BC. A criminal driving offence, however, is another matter.
ICBC adds: “When information is received from the U.S. that a driver has been convicted of an offence equivalent to a Canadian Criminal Code driving offence, the offence would be added to the driver’s record in B.C. and the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles would take action against the driver equivalent to the punishment for that offence in BC”
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It is a criminal matter, she was previously released on her own recognizance, and that didn't work out with her in the end (or you for that matter), so the second time around, she gets to post bail in case she decides to not appear again (and you should have gone through the same procedure as well).
Washington State Patrol Spokesman Dan Coon states: “I can’t talk for our county sheriffs or city police, but the troopers we do give a lot of discretion. If the suspended driver operating the vehicle is travelling with other people they may be allowed to continue on, but that particular individual may no longer drive in Washington state. If travelling alone, that individual may need to have someone come and pick them up, or have their vehicle towed. We will not, however, just leave someone on the side of the road,”
So technically just because a commenter in this thread implies taking satisfaction in a young woman being arrested, or wishes that another commenter was arrested, it does not necessarily mean that the State Highway Patrol for example feels the same way.
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You might note that it appears that the OP's appearance date was scheduled for the 22nd, which might suggest she is done with her ordeal!
The hearing on the 22nd would have been an initial court appearance to schedule the trial, which would be within 90 days of that date.
Hopefully less debate and more actionable advice from commenters moving forward.
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Once again, the analysis above confirms that the original poster should seek professional legal advice, as has been suggested all along.
Once again, not for the reasons you're suggesting! Plus, you are as little too late on that... Plus, you have your own issues to work on, so you might want to put some energy there instead of wasting your time giving others meaningless advice!
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According to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia (ICBC), BC does not have a reciprocal agreement with Washington for traffic violations, so a cross-border speeding ticket would not affect a driver’s record or insurance in BC. A criminal driving offence, however, is another matter.
ICBC adds: “When information is received from the U.S. that a driver has been convicted of an offence equivalent to a Canadian Criminal Code driving offence, the offence would be added to the driver’s record in B.C. and the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles would take action against the driver equivalent to the punishment for that offence in BC”
That procedure there sounds like the do reciprocate. But it matters not whether they do or not.
This is basically what you're telling the OP:
She allegedly broke the law the first time when she was caught speeding;
She ignored that citation and by doing so, she broke the law a second time for failing to handle the citation in a timely manner;
She broke the law a third time when she got caught driving while suspended...
And you're telling her that her arrest may have been unlawful and that she should look into it?
You clearly misunderstood the code section you posted, and you were offered the correct explanation.
Additionally, I posted the code section describing the latest charge she was facing as a misdemeanor thereby subjecting her to arrest and possibly requiring her to post bail.
You're still whining that her arrest was unlawful and she shouldn't have to post bail?
Are you really that dumb or is this an act that you putting on here?
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Washington State Patrol Spokesman Dan Coon states: “I can’t talk for our county sheriffs or city police, but the troopers we do give a lot of discretion. If the suspended driver operating the vehicle is travelling with other people they may be allowed to continue on, but that particular individual may no longer drive in Washington state. If travelling alone, that individual may need to have someone come and pick them up, or have their vehicle towed. We will not, however, just leave someone on the side of the road,”
You clearly have a problem understanding plain written english.
All that is saying is:
County Sheriff or City police, can arrest you. Even a state trooper who has a lot of discretion, can do so if he/she chooses to. (see subsection (2) of RCW 46.55.113 and you might understand what "discretion" means).
It also says that you can have the vehicle you were driving towed and impounded.
With that, I am not going to pot the entire code section, here is a link to
RCW 46.55.113 Removal by police officer — Definition.
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Whenever the driver of a vehicle is arrested for a violation of RCW 46.20.342 or 46.20.345, the vehicle is subject to summary impoundment, pursuant to the terms and conditions of an applicable local ordinance or state agency rule at the direction of a law enforcement officer.
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In addition, a police officer may take custody of a vehicle, at his or her discretion, and provide for its prompt removal to a place of safety under any of the following circumstances:
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(d) Whenever the driver of a vehicle is arrested and taken into custody by a police officer;
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Nothing in this section may derogate from the powers of police officers under the common law. For the purposes of this section, a place of safety may include the business location of a registered tow truck operator.
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So technically just because a commenter in this thread implies taking satisfaction in a young woman being arrested, or wishes that another commenter was arrested, it does not necessarily mean that the State Highway Patrol for example feels the same way.
Actually, I feel bad that a young woman was arrested. You on the other hand, I think you could learn something by spending the night in lock up!
Either way, both of you are adults, and whether it was only one of you or both of you who got arrested, jailed, fined or otherwise penalized, it was of your own doing, your being irresponsible caused it, and as such, you have no one to blame but yourself... Deal with it!
You can use whatever agency as an example... Interesting how whine about someone getting arrested and immediately, in the same paragraph are trying to impress that it won't happen because Dan Coon said troopers have a lot of discretion. The reality of the situation here is that the OP in this thread was arrested and had to bail herself out. It could happen with ANY agency, so AGAIN, deal with it!
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The hearing on the 22nd would have been an initial court appearance to schedule the trial, which would be within 90 days of that date.
OK... So 90 or so days before you become known as a criminal! Congratulations!!!
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Hopefully less debate and more actionable advice from commenters moving forward.
Hopefully, you'll read twice, three times if you need to and if you still don't understand what you're reading, ask someone who cares!
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The post above exemplifies what the terms of use for this website states; "Please note that you should take legal advice only from a qualified, licensed attorney." The commenter clearly demonstrates a polemic argument completely lacking any sort of professionalism. This puts some serious holes in any sort of credibility they likely never had. Very disappointing as a new member to what was presumed as a website containing reputable members. The posts have been reported to the administrators of this website for harassment and derailing of the topic.
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That Guy always does that. Get used to it. He has some Freudian obsession with Draconian Law at all costs. Even going 1mph over the speed limit should be punished by jail time in his opinion. If such a law were imposed, that you could be jailed one day for speeding 1mph, he would gladly applaud it. And if he didn't, there's no way he would oppose it.
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That Guy always does that. Get used to it. He has some Freudian obsession with Draconian Law at all costs. Even going 1mph over the speed limit should be punished by jail time in his opinion. If such a law were imposed, that you could be jailed one day for speeding 1mph, he would gladly applaud it. And if he didn't, there's no way he would oppose it.
haha! Nice to have someone chime in with experience in dealing with that commenter. Fascist sociopaths being involved anywhere near the criminal justice system, public services, or the political arena is a scary thought! Really appreciate courteous and professional law enforcement personel and am a big fan of the Oath Keepers.
As a light hearted side note, talked to an old friend tonight and turns out the exact same thing happened to him several months ago (arrested and everything). Thought he paid the ticket, unfamiliar/lack of notice with the driving privileges revocation. He ended up taking care of the original ticket, followed by license reinstatement, then worked out a deal to plead it down to a civil infraction, paid the fine and everything was OK. Feeling much better about getting the situation handled.
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The post above exemplifies what the terms of use for this website states; "Please note that you should take legal advice only from a qualified, licensed attorney." The commenter clearly demonstrates a polemic argument completely lacking any sort of professionalism. This puts some serious holes in any sort of credibility they likely never had. Very disappointing as a new member to what was presumed as a website containing reputable members.
You came here voluntarily. You are free to leave on your own accord the same way you ended up here!
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The posts have been reported to the administrators of this website for harassment and derailing of the topic.
Hahaaaa... Just in case you have not received a reply from any moderators, please allow me the opportunity to reply on their behalf: SCREW OFF!
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Fascist sociopaths being involved anywhere near the criminal justice system, public services, or the political arena is a scary thought!
And clear and complete idiotic morons like you and your newly found friend, "the stalker" , should be prohibited form posting anything online.. It just adds to the clutter of nonsense we have to sift through...
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As a light hearted side note, talked to an old friend tonight and turns out the exact same thing happened to him several months ago (arrested and everything). Thought he paid the ticket, unfamiliar/lack of notice with the driving privileges revocation. He ended up taking care of the original ticket, followed by license reinstatement, then worked out a deal to plead it down to a civil infraction, paid the fine and everything was OK. Feeling much better about getting the situation handled.
You really are a dumb-ass! How does this story -especially the underlined part- support your twisted contention that the arrest was unlawful?
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Did anyone lose an asshole? Because I found one:
That Guy (or is it That Dick)
What a sorry ass POS he is. It seems like every law message board has an egotistical gate keeper whose worthless life would be over if the internet ceased to exist. He probably still hasn't come to grips with the fact that Matlock got cancelled. He reminds me of an old SNL character "Nick Burns - The Computer Guy". The only difference is that Nick Burns actually helps people in the end.
I'll probably get banned for this post but who cares. People come on here asking for HELP not to be belittled, berated, or arm-chair quarterbacked. There are some very good volunteers who are helpful but if you have to put up people like That Guy (aka I_Got_Banned at another site) it's not worth the time. My advice is to "PM" the people who you think can help you.
So even though I'll probably get banned it's actually That Guy who should get banned. The one thing That Guy has done perfectly is to lay the foundation for being called a complete IDIOT!
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The reason "That Guy" hates me is because I made it a daily habit of pointing out his bias. Any good point I would make, he simply couldn't handle it and would do anything to downplay it. No part of society is completely infallible (the way he views traffic enforcement and law in general). Also, made several references to his flamboyant writing style - so much to the point he wrote this long hate message using all sorts of expletives directed towards me. He nearly cried.
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Exactly what color IS the sky in your world?
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Isn't it mind blowing how hatred spreads and multiplies? If it was a compliment or a good word that someone said, all of you pathetic spineless cowardly imbeciles would run and hide!
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Did anyone lose an asshole? Because I found one:
That Guy (or is it That Dick)
What a sorry ass POS he is. It seems like every law message board has an egotistical gate keeper whose worthless life would be over if the internet ceased to exist. He probably still hasn't come to grips with the fact that Matlock got cancelled. He reminds me of an old SNL character "Nick Burns - The Computer Guy". The only difference is that Nick Burns actually helps people in the end.
I'll probably get banned for this post but who cares. People come on here asking for HELP not to be belittled, berated, or arm-chair quarterbacked. There are some very good volunteers who are helpful but if you have to put up people like That Guy (aka I_Got_Banned at another site) it's not worth the time. My advice is to "PM" the people who you think can help you.
So even though I'll probably get banned it's actually That Guy who should get banned. The one thing That Guy has done perfectly is to lay the foundation for being called a complete IDIOT!
You're a sorry ass scum-bag, who obviously couldn't handle the reality of the answer you were given in your own thread, so you hold it in for 10 or so days, and you come back for redemption. Is that what this is all about? Clearly, you are a mid 40s possibly early 50s moron who lives his life through the fantasy of T.V. characters, you copy ideas for a defense from other threads and even though it is clear that those defenses do not apply to your case, you simply lack the mental capacity to try and justify your position, you could not simply attempt to discuss a legitimate answer you were given, you find it plausible to post your deplorable ramble crap to those who are in a similar situation as you are. Have I got this right so far? If so, rest assured I am not offended by your little trick. I would actually be quite flattered that my post and opinion stirred up a response... But to respond in the creepy manner you did... That's a different story!
What does concern me though is this, not only did you chase me down from another forum, you did so from a forum where, with the exception of one or two posts a few weeks prior to your post, I had not posted there in over a year. (BTW, you're the 2nd person to mention that forum on here (as if I'm hiding out here or something) or maybe you're one and the same). And then you made it a point to search this forum for two threads where other pathetic souls were dissatisfied with my posts (this thread is one, and here is the other one: Re: Oregon: Entering an Intersection to Turn Left on Yellow) . And yet you still posted nothing in your own thread as a response. Courtesy Notice Cites Different Statute Subsection Than Traffic Ticket Instead, you simply deleted the useless photos you had previously posted... But wait, you couldn't delete your IP address though, could you? This makes you a stalker... And a creepy one at that! But one who is much bigger of an idiot than I could ever be!
And ban you? From this forum? Why would anyone ban you??? There are only a limited number of people that you must not offend. And you can rest assured I am not one of them. And more importantly, the fact that you're a bigger idiot than I could ever be, the fact that you are mentally and intellectually challenged, makes you a fixture and a distraction that is welcome on this forum. Perfect example of that, look at your buddy the forum joker, A.K.A. losthismind; clearly, there really is no benefit in keeping him around. Not one single post that is useful to anyone, not now, not ever... And he's spewed enough crap about me to equal his weight in cow pies (dry, not wet); yet he's still around, he's still posting crap because that all he knows how to do, and nobody's banned him simply because nobody cares what he does. And nobody's gonna chase him to bum-**** Iowa to file a complaint against him! He'll find his match someday... I have no doubt. With that said, and while he thinks I hate him, I don't? I feel sorry for him but mostly for his family! You would make for a different story though. It'll be much easier to get you for stalking and harassment! So consider this as your warning to stop being an idiot. Every step you take from here will count against you. I'll leave it at that!
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Ok so here it is guys.
Three days before my court date I went to WA state to everett where the original ticket that went unpaid was issued.
I had to go to the courthouse there to the collections (ALliance One) paid the ticket and the outstanding fees, and got a letter of adjudication. Then I went to the drivers Licensing office in everett and reinstated my licence with proof of payment and the letter of adjudication.
Another fee paid at the drivers licensing office and my licence was cleared. good to go.
Then it just so happened to be my birthday the next day and wouldn't you know it my license expired on my bday so I had to go to ICBC and renew my licence as well.
At my court appearance the clerk offered a deal of lowering the citation to an infraction as well as a $150 fine.
I took the deal. paid the fine and then was told by the cashier that it will take 4 to 6 weeks to get my bail back.
So.
No my licence was not suspended in b.c. It was only suspended in washington state. Had i got pulled over in any other state my license would remain valid.
Regardless I have to say I'm pretty pissed about the whole thing. And I do agree that the whole jail thing is wrong. I wanna sue!
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Also "That Guy" I really don't need someone's bias pompous opinions. You don't even know what you're talking about. So instead of cutting down other people who are actually trying to help and lowering yourself to childish name calling why don't you take a break and go read some books so the next time you run your mouth off then maybe, just maybe if we're all lucky, you might actually know what you're talking about and give some helpful advice. If not...SHUT UP!!!!
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Ok so here it is guys.
Three days before my court date I went to WA state to everett where the original ticket that went unpaid was issued.
I had to go to the courthouse there to the collections (ALliance One) paid the ticket and the outstanding fees, and got a letter of adjudication. Then I went to the drivers Licensing office in everett and reinstated my licence with proof of payment and the letter of adjudication.
Another fee paid at the drivers licensing office and my licence was cleared. good to go.
Then it just so happened to be my birthday the next day and wouldn't you know it my license expired on my bday so I had to go to ICBC and renew my licence as well.
At my court appearance the clerk offered a deal of lowering the citation to an infraction as well as a $150 fine.
I took the deal. paid the fine and then was told by the cashier that it will take 4 to 6 weeks to get my bail back.
All this running around wasn't because of my bias or pompous opinion. Was it?
It was a result of your ignorance, your laziness, your being irresponsible, and your possibly believing that you can skate free on a citation just because you don't live here. Well, hopefully, you and your ignorant homeboy have learned your lesson!
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At my court appearance the clerk offered a deal of lowering the citation to an infraction as well as a $150 fine.
"lowering the citation to an infraction"... Meaning it WAS a misdemeanor, * i.e. a criminal offense, i.e. you getting thrown in jail was a legitimate result of your breaking the law and committing a criminal act of driving while suspended.
Thanks for confirming all of that!
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No my licence was not suspended in b.c. It was only suspended in washington state.
So B.C. isn't holding up its end of an agreement that appears to be in effect on the Washington State side. Either way, your stop, arrest, booking, and getting jailed until such a time that you could bail out was lawful and proper simply by virtue of you committing * a criminal act by driving while your driving privileges are suspended in Washington.
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Had i got pulled over in any other state my license would remain valid.
Why would getting pulled over anywhere result in your license becoming invalid?
Getting pulled over in Washington did not invalidate your license!
There is a difference between driving privilege and a driver license!
And you have the nerve to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?
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You don't even know what you're talking about.
Actually, I do... You just confirmed exactly what I was talking about. That you were thrown in jail because you committed * a criminal offense of driving while suspended. Therefore going to jail was in fact legitimate and proper. Just because you got a break and were allowed to plead down to an infraction does not mean that you were improperly or unlawfully arrested and jailed. You 're free to continue to live in denial! It won't get you far but it is a choice.
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So instead of cutting down other people who are actually trying to help and lowering yourself to childish name calling why don't you take a break and go read some books so the next time you run your mouth off then maybe, just maybe if we're all lucky, you might actually know what you're talking about and give some helpful advice. If not...SHUT UP!!!!
What are you getting mad at me for?
I'm not the one who screwed up!
YOU DID THAT ON YOUR OWN!!!
DEAL WITH IT ON YOUR OWN!!!
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Regardless I have to say I'm pretty pissed about the whole thing.
Again, you only have yourself to blame!
And last but not least, for the joke of the day...
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And I do agree that the whole jail thing is wrong. I wanna sue!
She wants to sue!!! Bwahahahaaaaa... She actually posted that she wants to sue!!!
I'm done in this thread! You Can Educate Ignorance But You Can't Fix Stupid!!!
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You are a ****ing idiot! get a life. loser!
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You are a the biggest piece of human garbage that ever lived. peuw
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You are a ****ing idiot! get a life. loser!
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You are a the biggest piece of human garbage that ever lived. peuw
Wow what a wonderful elegant answer :rolleyes: you sure sound like you are a wonderful classy person!!! You def wouldn't fit in, in jail!!
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Wow what a wonderful elegant answer :rolleyes: you sure sound like you are a wonderful classy person!!! You def wouldn't fit in, in jail!!
You know what's sad is that I've always considered Canadians to be humble spirited, cool-headed, polite... Then you come across two like these the trashy slime bucket whack-jobs we have here and that image is tarnished forever.
I don't even know if therapy will help! Although a lobotomy might!
Oh, no.... Not for me... I meant for them... LOL