Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
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Actually, for (1), it is more than just a "No Left Turn"... Think about it, a "Right Turn Only" sign prohibits a straight through movement as well. So the only movement that is allowed is a right turn and a "Right Turn Only" on that pole which you described may have been an option. But, according to the 2012 CA-MUTCD:
I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there, and you're going to be looking in that general direction as you're waiting for a spot in traffic. It's kinda of a last warning. Of course missing "No right turn [on red]" signs is something I'm familiar with.
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In this case, you're on a decent length approach and you'll likely to be looking forward as you approach the limit line. If you're going to see a sign across 3 lanes on the center island, the likelihood is that you WILL see the sign in its current location. Then you're expected to stop at the limit line (as you suggested), start rolling forward to clear traffic and as you do, you're most likely to look left first, then look right and then maybe left again as you enter the roadway, -you still haven't looked "forward" again since before the stop-. So that might seem like it is an ideal location, but... is it really?
Of course the CVC only requires "ONE" sign and that requirement has been met!
Only 1 is required, but they aren't limited to 1 sign.
Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
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I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there...
I don't know if that is "the shaft"... I am sure there is a shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!
In reference to the pole holding the sign, I think the proper term is "breakaway post"
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...and you're going to be looking in that general direction as you're waiting for a spot in traffic.
I'd still imagine one would be looking in the direction of traffic where one is looking for the opening, rather than looking straight forward... You might glance forward to make sure no traffic is coming from the side street across. But if you haven't seen the sign by then, you're not likely to see it, IMO!
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Of course missing "No right turn [on red]" signs is something I'm familiar with.
Correct... In the plural too... Not just one... But... several? :D
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Only 1 is required, but they aren't limited to 1 sign.
True... The sky is the limit... well, and city budget as well!
Did you notice in your thread, from the docs that groove provided, what the cost of installing one sign was?
Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
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I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there....
I don't know if that is "
the shaft"... I am sure there is a
shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!
They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother
Shut your mouth
But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft
Then we can dig it :listening_headphone
Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
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I don't know if that is "the shaft"... I am sure there is a shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!
In reference to the pole holding the sign, I think the proper term is "breakaway post"
I guess that works too.
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Correct... In the plural too... Not just one... But... several? :D
Thankfully it's a per turn offense and not a per sign offense. http://www.emtlife.com/images/emoticons/ph34r.gif
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True... The sky is the limit... well, and city budget as well!
Did you notice in your thread, from the docs that groove provided, what the cost of installing one sign was?
To be honest, no. Of course I imagine that the cost of the sign itself isn't that much, it's the paperwork and engineering study required to place the sign. Of course with that one they had to place a new breakaway post, while this one is preexisting.
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They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother
Shut your mouth
But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft
Then we can dig it :listening_headphone
Crack me up!!!
What the heck!!! Had to Google that one... You guys watch too much TV!
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California student
I guess that works too.
Actually, it doesn't... Have you ever seen a sign post that is "broken"?
The ones that come to mind ALWAYS actually got BENT right at the point where it meets that concrete, and laid flat until it got replaced.
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Hahaaa... Good point!
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To be honest, no. Of course I imagine that the cost of the sign itself isn't that much, it's the paperwork and engineering study required to place the sign. Of course with that one they had to place a new breakaway post, while this one is preexisting.
Assuming you don't mind, here is the pdf as uploaded by groove:
Page 2: Cost Estimate to move the sign (means the sign has already been bought and paid for. They are only MOVING IT) = $1000 (and most of that probably pays for the labor... Then again, how many man hours does that take?
Page 12 of the pdf: Estimated Cost to follow recommendation: "refurbish pavement markings and stripings and install TWO R13A (NO TURN ON RED) signs for mitigation" = $5000
Split that $5 g's three way (1 for each sign X 2 and 1 for refurbished markings)... Are you freaking kidding me! Reflective paint is that expensive?
Hey, if its needed, its needed... But the next time you're trying to save someone $234 by suggesting "they could have had added another sign or three (even on existing shafts)", think how you as a tax payer are getting shafted!
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Ooops... Left this little detail out: Towne Ave X I-210.pdf document
Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
Give me a sign, a long handled ratcheting box wrench and a few nuts and bolts and I'll place the sign for $20.
Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign
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Give me a sign, a long handled ratcheting box wrench and a few nuts and bolts and I'll place the sign for $20.
This is government work... It can't be done for $20! :D
You might need something to drill concrete with for the new post... Maybe some Quickrete to secure it! A level to make sure its upright...