Indecent Exposure

"pull down shorts undies came with them"
"underwear and pants go on"

The prosecutor and judge are gonna have a field day with you. Now you actually do admit, in two sentences, that undies are off. Sorry, that is public exposure.

A public male urinal area is different from a parking lot. I just can't stress this enough. In a male bathroom, I would expect men to be....holding their unit and aiming into the urinal. Or even doing an Al Bundy and sitting in a stall with a newspaper.

The whole point is, again....and yes, the prosecutor will make note of this...you had options of places to change clothes. Public bathrooms at the mall. The gym bathroom....you could have gone home and changed.

That parking between two SUV's will be another deterrent. If you didn't want anyone to see you...why not park in an area where NO ONE was around? If the mall was not busy, as you say....you could have parked way out and no one would have seen you...

Except for what might be your next enemy in this case....I wonder if the cops took the witness statement..... and then went to parking lot surveillance footage? Yeah, you see all those pretty little cameras on the rooftops? Often, they do actually record....so you may be on tape "changing clothes" with your undies coming off....

Have fun in court.

You seriously need a lawyer in the courtroom with you.

PS...Changing clothes in a public bathroom is illegal.

Care to site your source?

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Horsepuckey. There is a reasonable presumption that upon entering a public restroom, you might accidentally see some exposed bits. Urinals, much?

I'm calling BS on the "nude changing clothes" bit, too. There is no requirement to strip completely naked in order to change clothes. One half of the bod at a time, dude. If I can manage it with full bedlah, you can manage it with jeans and a sweatshirt.



That's what handicapped stalls are for.



Expect the judge to tell you to suck it up, buttercup.

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WHo ever said I was completely naked at any time ? I never did. I was even covered with my coat and clothed I took off, my shorts and coat covered my lower half up.
Also no need to start with name calling, call someone else butter cup ok ? Act some what civilized please.

Viol8te i was never arrested.

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WHo ever said I was completely naked at any time ?

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You did:

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I beg to differ, PUBLIC restroom, if your nude changing clothes in a bathroom, your still in a public restroom, people still can walk in and see you.

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So now you're claiming that this was a hypothetical reason for you not getting out of the public's view to change clothes?

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Act some what civilized please.

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You should talk. I'm not the one who has to explain to the judge why I shouldn't be punished for my indecent exposure charge, and I'm civilized enough to take my fluffy ass into the bathroom to change my clothes when the need occasionally arises.

You know, this OP really seriously needs to hire a lawyer and then sit down and shut up. I was willing to believe, early on, that he was just lacking in common sense. Five pages later he has convinced me that he gets his jollies by taking his clothes off in public, with the excitement coming from doing it unseen. When he was seen, he panicked and is trying his story out on us.

Well, chum, it didn't work; you're just digging yourself in deeper every time you open your mouth. For your own sake, SHUT YOUR TRAP before you end up in jail.

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pull in between to vehicles to give me cover, look around, no one around, quickly grab clothes from bag, slip of shoes, pull down shorts undies came with them, keeping delf still covered with coat, ( some point in time women walks by ) underwear and pants go on,

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I think you really need to be quiet and speak to your attorney and your attorney only. I can take your logic up to a point. I can sort of get your spontaneous, weather ignorant, mall parking lot change. I agree a car makes a better dressing room than a public restroom (except for the whole risk of being charged as a sex offender bit). So I get everything you say, I follow, right up until the point where you lose your underwear. At that point you lose me. Don't bother explaining why those underwear needed to come off or how they came down...

That admission pretty much validates the woman's report of your actions. Maybe she was mistaken about what you were doing, maybe not, but she did apparently see you exposed, thus the indecent exposure charge. You can't expose yourself in public.

I think I was your most sympathetic audience here, but the more you talk, the deeper you dig that hole.

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You know, this OP really seriously needs to hire a lawyer and then sit down and shut up. I was willing to believe, early on, that he was just lacking in common sense. Five pages later he has convinced me that he gets his jollies by taking his clothes off in public, with the excitement coming from doing it unseen. When he was seen, he panicked and is trying his story out on us.

Well, chum, it didn't work; you're just digging yourself in deeper every time you open your mouth. For your own sake, SHUT YOUR TRAP before you end up in jail.

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Its nothing more then your speculation. Prove the facts that I get jollies ? I havent changed my story.. The only thing that is getting different is you all getting more and more hostile, and prejudice, and immature on top of that. I was hoping to see some what grown up proffesional people on here talking, but I see these forums are no different from that bickering threads of comments on MSN.com or something. People just trash talking each other. Yes I am civilized. Changing clothes in a vehicle might not be common sense to you, but it was the best option at the time.
Indecent exposure is the intent, not being naked, but the intent of someone seeing me. You all are too jaded or close minded to even think any more, everyone is guilty period. I dont care what you all think, I know for a fact I did nothing more then just change clothes to go shop. NO intentions, no desires, no fantasies , I will make sure point is known, and hope that someone with a rational mind will be on the jury to believe I am innocent, and there honestly was not intent. They want to get me for being nude in public, thats fine, Ill agree to that, but to someone to accuse me of doing something I did not boils my water.
This thread has degraded too much for me to bother coming back. Even if found guilty, its highly unlikely I will get anything more then probation and some community hours, but regardless I will appeal. I just dont like being accused of something I didnt do , or people trying to tell me how I feel, or what I was doing when they werent there to witness anything.

Reply if you want, but I wont be back until after the court date. Well see if its good news or not.

I would shut up and talk to only your lawyer.

You are going on the sex offender registry for the rest of your life otherwise.

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I was hoping to see some what grown up proffesional people on here talking

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You want a professional to hold your hand and cluck at you? Pay one. Elsewise, brush up your reading comprehension skills and have a look again at that Notice that appears at the bottom of every page in the forum.

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I wont be back until after the court date.

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We told you to do that five pages ago.

I'm betting that regardless of the actual outcome, he comes back and tells us that he got off scot free. Even if he has to post that message from his jail cell.

I had my open-minded roommate read this thread. He said from Post #1....guilty.

So dude...this has been my past few days...

Friday: Job interviews. I have a variety of skills. Place #1, dress and high heels. Slip into Mc'D's, (no one would have seen me in this stall), changed clothes, washed hands....hit up Place #2.

Saturday....same thing. 3 outfit changes in various bathroom stalls.

Sunday....didn't need to change.

Monday: 3 changes. Public restroom off highway. Next interview. Next clothing change at a Taco Bell bathroom. Next interview. Run to the Michigan Works office (change clothes in their bathroom, get some resumes copies made, hit the road to the next interview...). The only thing I changed in my car or outside my car was....my shoes.

Point being....do you see how easy and logical this is? I was able to change clothes, and not expose myself to anyone...

I'm a pretty chick so I do draw attention wherever I go....so I just be very quick and efficient when changing, and try to bring attention to myself. It really is simple.

Trial is over ..

The witness for state took the stand ( accuser ) IN her statement to the cop she said that she was being followed and felt something was weird going on. She stated that I pulled into the spot beside her and had to keep pulling in and backing up making it difficult for her to get in her vehicle , she stated I was showing it to her. She then said she had to shimmy to get into her truck because I parked so close to her. She stated that she backed up and pulled out , got my tag number and called cops.
My lawyer asked her the events of that day on the stand. First her time and my time dont match up. I have receipts showing purchases from a specific time to another. I changed in the morning, she claims it was after noon. I was already home wrapping gifts and talking to family member on phone. My lawyer asked her when she saw me and what she did. When she said she had to shimmy and wiggle to get into her truck, because I was so close, would her back be to me ? she said yes, so then he asked how she managed to turn her body the entire way around if she was shimming facing her vehicle. Also it is kinda hard to drive your vehicle in reverse and forward ( Gear Selector is on wheel ) and have one hand on wheel, one hand on selctor and a 3rd hand on clothes trying to take them off. Then she said that she seen me from sitting in her vehicle, which now she just changed her story.
My lawyer got the cop pretty Good too, because the cop asked me many times if my story was correct about when I got dressed in my vehicle. I said yes, he said he would get the tapes from the stores to back up my claim. I said fine. My lawyer asked the cop if he ever got such videos. The cop said no, that he felt he didnt need to. Also we ( the jury of 12 people, judge, entire court room ) watched the video of my statement. The entire time the cop was trying to get me to admit to playing with myself. I talked about integrity, and my intentions of what I was doing that say. He said if he seen a pretty girl he would jack, but I said good for you, but thats not me. The video was emarrasing for he cop because he said thi smany times during my interview.
My evidence I had also was my neighbor, and my girl friend. They testified on my behalf. That my truck sits very high, has tinted windows and is very difficult to see in. They also testified that there has been no modifications to the truck what so ever, as in tint being applies, or bigger tires to make truch sit higher. Pictures were taken of then standing by my truck. Pictures were shown how difficult it is to see in my truck. You mostly see a dim sillouhte of me.
I got put on witness stand, and my lawyer basically said , what happened that day. I explained everything to the jury. I was there the night before with my GF. I went to the gym the next morning, after work out, I left the gym, my gym bag was in vehicle. At that time I wasnt even thinking about changing. I was still hot and sweaty, and I just wasnt thinking about changing clothes. I went to the outlets, when i got there I was in the front of outlets. I got out to go shopping. I walked up to the directory sign to see where the stores were at that we went to the night before. ( only been at this place one time cant remember where everything was. Told the jury that. ) While standing there, the very cold and blustery wind was making me shiver, and i could smell my funk.
Since these stores are on the outside and I would be outside alot walkign from store to store, I thought about changing clothes then. I was going to do it there, but I was in the front of the store and there were many vehicles and more people traffic. I didjnt want anyone to see me , so I thought about if I go behind the stores there would be more privacy. SO i drove around to the back, pulled in between to Big Suvs that would shield me. MInd you im already in a Tall truck, that is tinted. So i felt there was enough privacy. I looked around to make sure no one was around. I then grabbed my bag from back seat of truck, sat it on my passenger side. Pulled out towel, slipped off shorts undies, wiped myself with towel, left towel on lap, slipped on new undies and pants, put shoes on and went into store. That was it, nothing more, nothing less.

The prosecuter did ask some what seemed to be hard questions to answer, but all had logical answers. Why were you hard ? I said , yes Because if you do high intensity work outs like I do ( crossfit ) or other types of work outs, it greatly increases, hormones, blood stimulation, and can cause erections. She said do you really expect us to beleive that ? I told her , to please search the internet for facts about working out intensely and the effects it can have on erections. In all honesty, I feel great after a work out, and I do get hard many times during the day. While sitting at home doing nothing, while at work doing my job, while eating.. It just happens with no cause sometimes but I dont feel horny from it. She asked why didnt I change at the gym. I said good question. I was sweaty and hot, and at that time changing into clean clothes was not on my mind, plus my bag was out in my vehicle. So when I left the gym I just left the parking lot as well and was going to shop as I was.
Why Did I change in vehicle ? I told the jury, and looked right at them.. I know that changing in my vehicle is not an ideal place, i felt because I was in a vehicle that sits high, with tinted windows, and did pull behind the stores in between to other big vehicles that I felt well hidden from people. I made an effort to make sure no one was around. When there wasnt anyone I started to change. At no time did I ever see anyone beside me, or looking at me. I do not want anyone to see me. My only intention that day was to get my girl friend presents from the store that we looked at the night before.
Then of course the prosecuter went on to try to make me out to be some animal, ect ect .
CLosing statements my lawyer did a great job of making people think clearly. He said, no one here today is a liar. This room is full of good people. The events that took place were ones from perspective. She thinks that this guy was intentionally showing himself off while changing clothes. Was it the right place to do it ? He felt certain that it was the most private at the time ( I do have ADD so i make quick judgements ) She walked by at some point and looked into his vehicle and it appeared to her that he was trying to show himself. He gets dressed and goes in stores to shop. He doesnt deny that he changed, what the difference is here, is perspective.

SO anyway, the judge went on after the lawyers were done about the rules of a guilt or acquittal. That the evidence HAS to show with out a reasonable doubt that there was intent there. That was the main one, there was like 5 other things the judge said that i cant remember, told them to convict me had to be present, if not the acquittal had to be chosen. The jury left, and it took them about 1 hour and 40 minutes to deliberate. They probably watched my interview again ( 35 minute interview ) and based what I said in my video matched up with my testimony on witness stand, vs what she said in her testimony and statements she gave cops and how they differed.


You know I was offered many times Probation before Judgement which i could had all this erased from my record in about 6 months, but I had to admit to intent of exposure. I told everyone I CAN NOT admit to something I didnt do. I would be lying, and regardless of how many times my lawyer said this is the best thing to do because there will be no conviction, and getting it exponged later on. I just couldnt admit to it, because There was no intention. I made that quite clear to everyone.
Jury came back, I closed eyes, crossed fingers, and listened.. Have you reached a verdict , yes we have your honor, we find the defendant,, Not Guilty .. I started to cry and felt the biggest chains of weight being lifted from me.
You know guys, as judgemental as many of you are on here, not everyone in this world are the same, we talked to many people over the time from the incident to the day of the trial, most of them have changed clothes at some point in time in their vehicle. Maybe not to my exent, but many women changing their tops, guys changing tops and pants, but with undies still on. Was me changing in a parking lot ideal ? I admit now it was not, and my thought process at that time was , I just want to change and get inside. There was no intent of anything. This entire ordeal was just a matter of persective, and regardless of what you still may think, you have that right to think it, but I know in my heart what my intention was and that I am no animal. A jury of peers felt the same way and that is all that mattered.
Seen my lawyer yesterday while I was grocery shopping, ( i was in my gym clothes, just came from gym ) your not going to change in your vehicle are you he said laughing, I said NO WAY.. I learned my lesson, this will never happen again , thanked him again for defending me, and I walked away.

Take care guys.

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Why were you hard ? I said , yes Because if you do high intensity work outs like I do ( crossfit ) or other types of work outs, it greatly increases, hormones, blood stimulation, and can cause erections.

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WHOA!!! Time out. You argued she could not have seen in your truck but she knew you had an erection? As to your argument of the exercise causing erections; BS. When is the last time you saw a bunch of guys getting erections while doing their P90X exercises? Football players at conditioning training? Runners? Cyclists? If they are getting erections, I would suggest being very cautious if you shower afterwards as it isn't the exercises that are causing the erections.




beyond that, if she did see you were in a turgid state, which you admitted to, it clearly defies your argument that she never was in a position to see you and given the closeness of the vehicles (both admitted by you and the victim), there is no possibility you would not have realized there was a person beside your truck.

Sorry but regardless of anything else, your own statements have proven your guilt.

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WHOA!!! Time out. You argued she could not have seen in your truck but she knew you had an erection? As to your argument of the exercise causing erections; BS. When is the last time you saw a bunch of guys getting erections while doing their P90X exercises? Football players at conditioning training? Runners? Cyclists? If they are getting erections, I would suggest being very cautious if you shower afterwards as it isn't the exercises that are causing the erections.

Sorry but regardless of anything else, your own statements have proven your guilt.

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HA HA I was thinking the exact same thing. I never saw in any of his stories before talking about having an erection. My ex-husband was into himself ALOT and was always at the Gym or using weights and high intensity workouts at home. He also was quite the pervert/ sex addict. I never knew him to get erections like that. Or just at work or just eating so all I can say is WOW good thing I wasn’t on the jury. Then again I will never be on any jury good thing probably lol!!

I do hope you have learned from this experience:
- Change at the gym.
- Change in a public restroom.

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I do hope you have learned from this experience:
- Change at the gym.
- Change in a public restroom.

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I'm thinking OP has not been honest with us.

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I do hope you have learned from this experience:
- Change at the gym.
- Change in a public restroom.

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If you absolutely can NOT get around changing in the car, do not change clothing when you have a random erection! :o

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WHOA!!! Time out. You argued she could not have seen in your truck but she knew you had an erection? As to your argument of the exercise causing erections; BS. When is the last time you saw a bunch of guys getting erections while doing their P90X exercises? Football players at conditioning training? Runners? Cyclists? If they are getting erections, I would suggest being very cautious if you shower afterwards as it isn't the exercises that are causing the erections.




beyond that, if she did see you were in a turgid state, which you admitted to, it clearly defies your argument that she never was in a position to see you and given the closeness of the vehicles (both admitted by you and the victim), there is no possibility you would not have realized there was a person beside your truck.

Sorry but regardless of anything else, your own statements have proven your guilt.

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Hiit does can cause erections later on afther work outs. The science , and evidence why is out there, You dont believe it thats your issue. I said I had one maybe, i dunno, im always hard. Being hard IS irrelevant to intent. Sorry if you see it different, but whether if someone is hard or soft can not by itself determine someones intent. Remember this incident happened 1 hour AFTER the work out.
Sorry you seem to think my statement proves my guilt, there are 12 people that disagree with you . The justice system works just fine.

Yes lesson learned, and like I said regardless of your personal opinion, im innocent

You were not found innocent. By your OWN STATEMENTS you are guilty.

A not guilty verdict (which if I were on the jury you would NOT have gotten - again based on your own statement) means that the state failed to provide evidence of your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It is NOT the same as being innocent. There is a difference.

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Hiit does can cause erections later on afther work outs. The science , and evidence why is out there, You dont believe it thats your issue. I said I had one maybe, i dunno, im always hard. Being hard IS irrelevant to intent. Sorry if you see it different, but whether if someone is hard or soft can not by itself determine someones intent. Remember this incident happened 1 hour AFTER the work out.
Sorry you seem to think my statement proves my guilt, there are 12 people that disagree with you . The justice system works just fine.

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regardless of whether it does or doesn't (it doesn't. I have known pro football players, pro baseball players, a high level weight lifter, and countless people that have regular workout regimens (one of them is even in one of the P90X videos) as well as my personal experience. I cannot say any of them have ever suggested it was as you suggest.), it doesn't change the fact that you had stated you did not see this woman and even described all the reasons she could not have seen you in your truck yet she knew you had a woodie.

Sorry guy but your story sounds like a lot of BS, including the claim this went to trial and you were vindicated.

OMG!!!! Now the perv is defending erections! :wallbang:

The justice system just so happened to work in your favor this time. The bystander saw wood so it's sorta obvious that the prosecutor simply failed to make a compelling enough case for the jury to buy into.

You are most likely lucky and not innocent.

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The justice system just so happened to work in your favor this time. The bystander saw wood so it's sorta obvious that the prosecutor simply failed to make a compelling enough case for the jury to buy into.

You are most likely lucky and not innocent.

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Sorry , but having an erection is not the crime, the crime is Intent for someone to see. Since changing clothes was the intent, and having an erection nothing more then that, then you cant prove anything. You would have to show some kind of proof that I intended for someone to see me. Being naked is not the crime, Intention is, I cant say that enough. My story didnt change, hers did. She made herself look bad, not me.

You guys are something else. I was happy to come back here to say I was acquitted , and you try to steal the excitement from me. The stress of this entire thing, and now its all gone. You can call it BS all you want, but the fact is the jury said not guilty, the judge looked at me, and said your acquitted and free to go. I have nothing to prove to you all, and have no reason to make you believe anything any different. You cant steal my happiness of being acquitted away. My life can move on now, and I no longer have to worry about losing my Job, or losing my future. Best part of all of this, is I dont even wish to come back here ever again. You can troll some other person. Later guys, I have a life to live now , with out your alls nonsense in it. Dont bother replying, I wont ever back back to see it. Deleting the book mark right now.

Oh man! I can handle most anythin' except rejection! And deleting the bookmark?!? If I had feelings that'd possibly hurt 'em.:p

Justifying wood in public is pretty much multi-level preverted if ya ask me!

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Sorry , but having an erection is not the crime, the crime is Intent for someone to see. Since changing clothes was the intent, and having an erection nothing more then that, then you cant prove anything. You would have to show some kind of proof that I intended for someone to see me. Being naked is not the crime, Intention is, I cant say that enough. My story didnt change, hers did. She made herself look bad, not me.

You guys are something else. I was happy to come back here to say I was acquitted , and you try to steal the excitement from me. The stress of this entire thing, and now its all gone. You can call it BS all you want, but the fact is the jury said not guilty, the judge looked at me, and said your acquitted and free to go. I have nothing to prove to you all, and have no reason to make you believe anything any different. You cant steal my happiness of being acquitted away. My life can move on now, and I no longer have to worry about losing my Job, or losing my future. Best part of all of this, is I dont even wish to come back here ever again. You can troll some other person. Later guys, I have a life to live now , with out your alls nonsense in it. Dont bother replying, I wont ever back back to see it. Deleting the book mark right now.

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Being naked is not the crime, Intention is, I cant say that enough.

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really? I think you need to check a few statutes. Being naked in public in almost every state is a crime regardless of the intent. In fact, accidental exposure can be a crime depending on the circumstances. Your exposure was intentional so you were guilty of at least that.


Beyond that, again, your statements here and your claimed testimony conflict each other. Your statements here argue your testimony was false.

Don't kid yourself, cmecu. It was obvious from the start that you got caught with your pants down (so to speak) and came here to test drive your defense. Really obvious. In fact, instead of getting snotty with this forum, you can thank it for serving its purpose as you intended. After being made aware of the nonsensical inconsistencies here, you probably had them all very neatly explained away by the time you got to court.

If you actually were found not guilty (which is, as someone has already said, not the same as being found "innocent") it was because the prosecution failed to make its case. That was probably due to the woman making a poor witness.

You need to find a different, non-public way to satisfy your fetish. Your luck will not hold out forever.

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OMG!!!! Now the perv is defending erections! :wallbang:

The justice system just so happened to work in your favor this time. The bystander saw wood so it's sorta obvious that the prosecutor simply failed to make a compelling enough case for the jury to buy into.

You are most likely lucky and not innocent.

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Had to copy and repost as you took the words off my keyboard!

My ex-hubby was a sex addict and even he knew the difference between "appropriate" and "Inappropriate".