My question involves criminal law for the state of: IN. My son plays soccer on a Home owner association called "Lakes of the Four Season's, IN." We don't live there we live outside the community but they invite kids to play soccer from outside their gated community. On one saturday morning, my husband was running late for the game. I was already inside this gated community waiting for him as he had my son's soccer clothing. So, I found an easier entrance for him through the firestation. It is not posted about needing a decal, etc. as it is used for fire trucks. There is a gate that was closed but not locked. So, when my husband came, I lifted it and let him in. Well, someone saw me do it. They sent their security officer to find my descritption at my sons soccer game. My husband and I were both charged with a fine of $50 and if we don't pay, they will file criminal trespassing charges. Now, I think I can scrape up $100 but this officer was unprofessional and without understanding that we were just trying to make it to our sons soccer game. I was respectful and I don't have any charges against me, I am a stay at home mom. I'm rather upset that I had to deal with this jerk and we ended up missing our sons soccer game as a result, not to mention, the embarassment. Another thing was, he approached me as to intimidate me, the second I pulled out my phone and started to record his behavior, he started changing his approach. He still gave us the $50 threat though. Do I have to waste my time, and my $100? Maybe I should send them a few hundred dollars and tell them... "you know I can't be bothered with this, but here's a few hundred bucks because I got a few more games to go."
Fined for Entering Through a Fire Entrance
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10-15-2011, 03:12 PMlerracindy@yahoo.comFined for Entering Through a Fire Entrance
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10-15-2011, 03:30 PMcyjeffRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
You used a fire station cut through to a gated community to avoid the gated community's security.
For any crime, the excuse you are wanting to use "we will be late for my son's soccer game" is not an affirmative defense.
I would pay it and plan accordingly next time. -
10-15-2011, 03:38 PMjkRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass ChargesYa, why don't you go ahead and give that a try. Nothing better than pissing them off so next time they will actually arrest you rather than just issuing a citation. Sounds like a great idea to me.Quote:
Quoting lerracindy@yahoo.com
I suspect that your attitude caused your citation more than your actions. If you spoke to him in any manner similar to what you express here, I suggest you were lucky you weren't arrested. Maybe a bit of respect and acceptance that you were in error rather than being a "soccer mom" ( and we all know that means more than the simple definition) and thinking you have some inherent right to break the law with impunity would have allowed you to fair so much better. -
10-15-2011, 03:46 PMPandorasBoxRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
It's a gated community, in which you don't live.
You used an entrance used by a public service, rather than an entrance in which you were given permission to use.
As BAM! said...try the "Maybe I should send them a few hundred dollars and tell them... "you know I can't be bothered with this, but here's a few hundred bucks because I got a few more games to go." attitude...you will miss that game because you will be placed in handcuffs and taken to the police station, and charged with "Criminal Trespass". You will also have fines, court dates, and likely your whole family banned from the gated community. -
10-15-2011, 04:01 PMjkRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Chargesas BAM said? You've been peeking, haven't you?Quote:
Quoting PandorasBox
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10-15-2011, 05:18 PMcyjeffRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
I have to ask.
OP, why did you think you didn't have to follow the rules that everyone else had to follow? Why would you think that an entrance to the community designed to give emergency vehicles access to the neighborhood was actually put there for your use?
Did you trespass at the fire department to get to this gate?
Really? You really think this behavior is acceptable? I think the officer showed remarkable restraint in not putting you in cuffs and giving you a ride in his/her squad car for trespassing. -
10-15-2011, 05:24 PMcdwjavaRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
It sounds like the officer was not a police officer, but a security officer in the employ of the community. As such, I suspect this "fine" is simply a "request" to pay their association assessment. Whether the threat to pursue charges for trespassing has any merit or not, i cannot say. I'd be inclined to think the police and the local prosecutor would not waste their time on this as it could be argued that by asking you to pay their fee they agreed to make this is a civil matter and not a criminal one.
But, paying the $50 may be preferable to wondering "what if" for the next few months. -
10-15-2011, 05:29 PMbam!Re: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
Hah bam! Has said nothing of the sort..yet.
I love when people like to throw around their financial status when dealing with lowly security guards. Like everyone else said, its a gamble.
It is private property and you are a guest on that property. They can uninvite you and you will miss a lot of soccer games. All because you are a jackass. -
10-15-2011, 05:57 PMPandorasBoxRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass Charges
Oops...wrong correct poster. Sorry! As JK and UncaJeffy said....
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10-15-2011, 06:12 PMcyjeffRe: Lakes of the Four Seasons, Indiana Criminal Trespass ChargesDon't forget the insistence that the officer understand they were GOING TO A SOCCER GAME!!!!Quote:
Quoting bam!