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  • 08-08-2011, 11:14 PM
    anon8000
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    I'm upset with the way I was tricked into signing this piece of paper. I came here for legal advice.

    I'm also upset because none of the details were mentioned to me and the top part of the form was never even showed to me.

    The reason I even know that it is not required to be on voucher is because Neighborhood Legal sent me a letter which mentioned it. I don't know if they know I signed this form.

    I did go to the office to try to get this un vouchered and the person told me that I have signed a statement asking for my utilities to be restricted and have to wait 12 months. I asked him may I see what I had signed and he smiled and brought me that piece of paper. In the next minute he was gone.

    Honestly, I don't even remember this paper plus know for a fact that I was never even given the opportunity to see this paper in its entirety let alone the fact reading it.

    Worse case scenario, I got suckered for a few hundred dollars.
  • 08-08-2011, 11:24 PM
    Dogmatique
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    YOU got suckered for a few hundred dollars?

    I'm with MKIT here. I'm not seeing your complaint at all.
  • 08-08-2011, 11:37 PM
    anon8000
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    Well, if anybody can give me advice based on policy and the LAW, I will welcome that.

    If you need more details, I can give them but I think I've provide quite a bit of details already.

    I'm not interested in arguments.

    Few direct legal questions

    1) Can I contest that the document I signed may be void or un enforcible due to legal technicalities of bad faith. A form which has been signed but not filled.

    2) Can I contest that I was never informed that signing this form is NOT required as it says that social services should, in the Register.

    3) Do I have any legal way to contest this?
  • 08-09-2011, 06:06 AM
    aaron
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    Again, "you can object to the social worker's supervisor that you feel she misled you, acted inappropriately, etc. - have you done so, and if so to what effect?"
  • 08-09-2011, 06:37 AM
    anon8000
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    Quote:

    Quoting aaron
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    Again, "you can object to the social worker's supervisor that you feel she misled you, acted inappropriately, etc. - have you done so, and if so to what effect?"

    Please leave my post no. 11. In plain words, I was given the 'we got you now and there's nothing you can do about it treatment'.

    I don't know if this was the supervisor or not.

    I'm asking for a Fair Hearing where I can present my side of the story with the evidence that I have to the judge.
  • 08-09-2011, 06:54 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    You mean this: "I did go to the office to try to get this un vouchered and the person told me that I have signed a statement asking for my utilities to be restricted and have to wait 12 months. I asked him may I see what I had signed and he smiled and brought me that piece of paper. In the next minute he was gone"? You have an odd notion of what constitutes "plain words". A fair reading of that is as a statement that you spoke to some random person at the office, and that you are admitting that you did not speak to the social worker's supervisor and did not raise the issue with the supervisor

    You don't dispute that you received your benefit. Why do you imagine that a judge is going to order that taxpayers give you a windfall?
  • 08-09-2011, 04:21 PM
    anon8000
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    Sorry for the misunderstanding, the answer to your question is no, I have not raised this issue with the supervisor. I don't even know which supervisor to go to or how to talk to one. My case worker has been changed. I have left messages for my current (new) case worker and I'm waiting for her call. I have a feeling she will not call back.

    I will try to talk to a supervisor.

    And I still would like for someone to tell me if your allowed to add information to an already signed document without the signer's consent or knowledge. I mean the form I signed still has a blank space for the NYSEG account number, I guess in October what that information is available, they can add it on the form as well like they did before.
  • 08-09-2011, 05:33 PM
    aaron
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    I expect that at the end of the day you'll be told that there was no "trick" - you were handed a form with the expectation that you would look at it before signing, and that it was either explained to you or went without saying that the information not available at the time you completed the form would be added once you provided it to your case worker. I understand that you wanted a windfall but, from what you've told us so far, you received the full benefit and thus you have no damages. If you want to litigate to clarify your rights, or the rights of others in a similar situation, that remains a possibility. Perhaps upon evaluation your lawyer might find an avenue to some form of relief not obvious from what you've posted so far.
  • 08-09-2011, 10:17 PM
    anon8000
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    It was 100% deceptive, If it was no trick why was the form left blank? It was left blank, that I can prove. I also dated the form when I signed it and the information on the form which was entered later on did not even exist at the time I signed the form.

    A part of it still remains blank (the NYSEG acct number) 2 months after I signed it, I mean can they keep adding stuff to a form I signed.

    I admit I signed the form. And no, it was not explained to me, it may come down to my word against the social worker's word.

    NO, I am not receiving the full benefit, I wish I was, they are withholding more then the bills. At the end of the year they will compare the amount which they have withheld and if it is more then what my utility bills were they will recoup my assistance meaning lower the amount which I received.

    And I think this is why the New York Register emphasizes to let the client know that this is completely voluntary and not a requirement. Because basically the amount of cash being given to the family is now less, a big part of it is being withheld by the county.

    This is what that form basically says. But it doesn't mention anything on how much they are going to withhold, I don't know where they get those figures from.

    Furthermore this encourages the client to waste energy, because if the bills are not close enough to the amount withheld, the client then faces a recoupment of $10%.
  • 08-09-2011, 10:40 PM
    Dogmatique
    Re: New York Social Services Tricked Me into Signing Blank Consent and Filled It Late
    Again, please explain why you think you're entitled to anything, financially.
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