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  • 05-21-2011, 07:24 PM
    NCC 1701
    Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    My question involves criminal law for the country of: US


    Can the US Gov't lie Under sworn oath in a court proceeding?

    Is This an attempt too?


    http://wikispooks.com/w/images/b/b5/...Under_Oath.pdf
  • 05-21-2011, 07:28 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    The U.S. government is not a person, and is thus incapable of giving testimony.
  • 05-21-2011, 07:35 PM
    NCC 1701
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
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    Quoting Mr. Knowitall
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    The U.S. government is not a person, and is thus incapable of giving testimony.

    I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, I'm well aware the US gov't isn't a person, but people represent the US gov't, and when the US gov't brings action/s against someone or something, it's XXXX VS United States Gov't, and when thoses individuals THAT represent the US gov't are put on the stand, they're giving testimony for the same
  • 05-21-2011, 07:39 PM
    aaron
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    If you're asking if people are capable of lying under oath, yes, they are.

    Seriously, what is your point?

    If there's something in the link that might illuminate what you're trying to argue, please summarize it for us.
  • 05-21-2011, 07:41 PM
    free9man
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    I believe he is asking if representatives of the government, specifically the federal government, are allowed to lie/allowed to get away with it. I think.
  • 05-21-2011, 08:01 PM
    jk
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
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    If you're asking if people are capable of lying under oath, yes, they are.

    Seriously, what is your point?

    If there's something in the link that might illuminate what you're trying to argue, please summarize it for us.


    I think it's the part on the beginning of the second page, right before where it says the court rejects any such notion as anybody representing the government has a right to lie to the court for any reason, it states the Government argued it had the authority to mislead the court .

    so ncc1701, you did catch that part where the court said no, the government has no such right, right?
  • 05-21-2011, 08:12 PM
    NCC 1701
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
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    Quoting aaron
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    If you're asking if people are capable of lying under oath, yes, they are.

    Seriously, what is your point?

    If there's something in the link that might illuminate what you're trying to argue, please summarize it for us.


    I just went back to re-read the pdf file, apparently it's corrupted, there are 2-3 pages missing in the middle of the text, I will go back and repost it;...and Aaron; I KNOW people are capable of lying under oath, even LAWYERS...the body of this text that's missing, has the US gov;t petitioning this court to be able to lie under oath, and the court rejects it.......at least that's what it looks like to me , but I'm not a lawyer

    Let me try it again: ...this link seems to open Completely up...IF that's what it looks like to me, that's certainly not very encouraging, for the US gov't asking a court for permission to lie under oath, isn't there some sort of professional oath lawyers take upon passing the BAR? getting a License? I know I had too....


    http://wikispooks.com/w/images/b/b5/...Under_Oath.pdf
  • 05-22-2011, 09:24 AM
    BOR
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    NCC, as jk points out, the Court rejected the argument of falsifying statements.

    You notice the defendant is the CIA. Without knowing more I am assuming thier reasoning was based on some type of "National Security" exception, that misleading the Court was permitted as long as it concerned so called Classified information and all that babble and if the truth be told, the National Security may be at risk, etc.

    If you type in the case # in a search engine, other documents come up, and it appears it is a sensitive case of sorts.
  • 05-24-2011, 04:04 PM
    NCC 1701
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
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    NCC, as jk points out, the Court rejected the argument of falsifying statements.

    You notice the defendant is the CIA. Without knowing more I am assuming thier reasoning was based on some type of "National Security" exception, that misleading the Court was permitted as long as it concerned so called Classified information and all that babble and if the truth be told, the National Security may be at risk, etc.

    If you type in the case # in a search engine, other documents come up, and it appears it is a sensitive case of sorts.

    Thanks BOR....that's what I got out of it too, that the court refused to allow the gov't to lie under oath ...I'm not sure how the other member here posted , I put them on my IGNORE LIST.....I have a good idea though, if it's anything like the usual belittleing ridiculing remarks I get...........it's really very disgusting
  • 05-24-2011, 04:23 PM
    jk
    Re: Can the U.S. Gov't Lie Under Oath
    I know you can't read this because you put me on your ignore list but apparently you misunderstand how it works. It means you are ignoring my posts. I can still see yours and if you didn't have your head stuck somewhere where you can't see my posts, you will realize there was nothing belittling about my post. It simply asked if you missed the statement where the court rejected the claim of the government having the right to lie to the courts.

    They can refuse to answer the courts in many cases. In the name of national security being one but even that isn't unlimited. If the information is required for the case, special conditions are arranged for the information to be reviewed by the court where is can be utilized but still not released in any public manner.

    But in no case can the government actually lie to the courts. That is illegal.
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