It was really more the presentation of there being one ring to rule all of Georgia and that you had the one true source and there could be no possible alternative. lolQuote:
Quoting cyjeff
Mostly you just can't read between the lines.Quote:
I don't know why that is significant to the conversation, however.
You didn't answer the question - when you visit your WIFE are you going inside the building? Do you need to obtain a visitor's pass to enter the parking lot? Or just the building?Quote:
Why is there a difference between the parking lot and the building. The same rules apply to both. The same staff has effective control over both.
Your point makes no sense unless you are saying that a roof changes whom has authority over a piece of land.
Trespassing at a School
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11-07-2010, 05:09 AMjkloRe: Trespassing at a School
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11-07-2010, 06:01 AMcyjeffRe: Trespassing at a School
Here are the appropriate statutes for your perusal....
Notice that the law includes the grounds and not just the buildings.Quote:
16-11-127.1
(a) As used in this Code section, the term:
(1) 'School safety zone' means in, on, or within 1,000 feet of any real property owned by or leased to any public or private elementary school, secondary school, or school board and used for elementary or secondary education and in, on, or within 1,000 feet of the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or institution of postsecondary education.
20-2-1180 G
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20-2-1180.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to remain upon the premises or within the school safety zone as defined in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Code Section 16-11-127.1 of any public or private school in this state or to remain upon such premises or within such school safety zone when that person does not have a legitimate cause or need to be present thereon. Each principal or designee of each public or private school in this state shall have the authority to exercise such control over the buildings and grounds upon which a school is located so as to prohibit any person who does not have a legitimate need or cause to be present thereon from loitering upon such premises. Each principal or designee of each public or private school in this state shall notify the appropriate law enforcement agency to prohibit any person who does not have a legitimate need or cause to be present therein from loitering within the school safety zone.
(b) Any person who shall not have any legitimate cause or need to be present upon the premises or within the school safety zone of any public or private school in this state who shall willfully fail to remove himself or herself from such premises after the principal or designee of such school shall request him or her to do so shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.
(c) Upon entering any elementary or secondary school building between the official starting time and the official dismissal time, any person who is not a student at such school, an employee of the school or school system, a school board member, an approved volunteer following the established guidelines of the school, or a person who has been invited to or otherwise authorized to be at the school by a principal, teacher, counselor, or other authorized employee of the school shall check in at the designated location as stated on posted signs and provide a reason for his or her presence at the school. Failure to check in at the designated location as provided in this subsection shall be prima-facie evidence that such person is in violation of subsection (b) of this Code section. This subsection shall not apply to law enforcement officers, firefighters, emergency medical technicians or paramedics, or any public safety or emergency management officials in the performance of an emergency call or to other persons making authorized deliveries to the school. This subsection shall not apply to any person entering a school which serves as an official polling place for the purpose of voting on election day or attending or participating in an academic or athletic event while remaining in the authorized area or a parent, grandparent, or guardian listed on a childīs pick-up list who fails to sign-in while delivering school supplies, food, clothing, or other legitimate business and who has not previously been sanctioned by school officials for disrupting a school.
(d) A school administrator or his or her designee may ask any visitor to explain his or her presence in the school building at any time when the school is in official session.
(e) If the school posts signs on entrances to the school requiring visitors to check in at the designated location, such signs shall be deemed prima-facie evidence that persons entering the school were on notice of the requirements of this Code section.
(f) Nothing in this Code section shall be construed to prohibit school administrators from prohibiting the admission of any person who has violated school policy or state law.
20-2-1181 G
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20-2-1181.
It shall be unlawful for any person to disrupt or interfere with the operation of any public school, public school bus, or public school bus stop as designated by local school boards of education. Any person violating this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.
20-2-1182.
Any parent, guardian, or person other than a student at the public school in question who has been advised that minor children are present and who continues to upbraid, insult, or abuse any public school teacher, public school administrator, or public school bus driver in the presence and hearing of a pupil while on the premises of any public school or public school bus may be ordered by any of the above-designated school personnel to leave the school premises or school bus, and upon failure to do so such person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $500.00.
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11-07-2010, 07:15 AMjkRe: Trespassing at a School
Until the kid was warned and failed to leave, there is not going to be a chance of arrest. In the future, he has already had the warning so he can be arrested simply due to stepping foot on the school property.
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11-07-2010, 07:55 AMWoahWoahWoahRe: Trespassing at a SchoolI was not a problem at that school. I did not have any disciplinary issues when I attended that school.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
She was standing next to me the whole time this was going on.Quote:
Quoting PandorasBox
They would have found a bookbag, a laptop, a bag from dunkin donuts with a bagel in it, football shoulder pads, football helmet, and a can of febreze.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
They use that fire lane for carpool... just sayin.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
By what that says... I think that means I am breaking the law every single day of my life. My house is within 1000 feet of the school, which means I live in that "safety zone" that I'm not allowed in?Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
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11-07-2010, 08:17 AMBORRe: Trespassing at a SchoolAs I said earlier, in mind from the case I linked, the 1st protects freedom of association and movement and the 4th offers protection from UNreasonable seizures.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
From the case;
...........the RRHA enacted a policy authorizing the Richmond police to serve notice on any person lacking "a legitimate business or social purpose" for being on the premises and to arrest for trespassing any person who remains or returns after having been so notified..........
This is directly in Constitutional line with the law you posted on schools;
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to remain upon the premises or within the school safety zone as defined in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Code Section 16-11-127.1 of any public or private school in this state or to remain upon such premises or within such school safety zone when that person does not have a legitimate cause or need to be present thereon.
As per my example, if a person is picking up a student, that is legitimate business. If they have a good reason to be there, the school can not as a constitutional matter ban them unless thier behavior, lingering, etc., warrants it.
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11-07-2010, 08:40 AMcyjeffRe: Trespassing at a SchoolActually, the moment he was asked his business and his identification and refused, he was in violation of 20-2-1180 (d).Quote:
Quoting jk
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11-07-2010, 09:23 AMWoahWoahWoahRe: Trespassing at a SchoolI wasnt in violation actually. I explained my presence... the law doesnt say anything about identification.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
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11-07-2010, 09:58 AMcyjeffRe: Trespassing at a SchoolThe law I posted doesn't.Quote:
Quoting WoahWoahWoah
However, you were parked illegally. The resource offer can certainly ask you for your id as part of the ticketing process.
You will find that treating people that have the authority to write you tickets with respect tends to prevent some of those tickets being written. -
11-07-2010, 10:13 AMjkloRe: Trespassing at a SchoolAnd you'll notice that the law also differentiates between the grounds and the buildings at points.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
You're the one who raised the issue of entering the buildings (which is separate to parking outside the school). You're the one who acted all indignant about having to obtain a visitor's pass to see your WIFE. And you still didn't answer the question.