Left Turn on Red, Ticket by Camera

My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California
i got a camera ticket and its not a snitch it ticket, the owner of the car is my girlfriend and here mom, but the ticket is in her DEAD DADS name and they have him listed as the registered owner. please advise since these scumbags want $500 for the fine. does my girlfriend have to turn me in can't find anything on line about the law if she has to turn me in, cause i thought a person was innocent until guilty. please help and tell me what you would do or what i should do.

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Quoting jackalop

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My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California
i got a camera ticket and its not a snitch it ticket, the owner of the car is my girlfriend and here mom, but the ticket is in her DEAD DADS name and they have him listed as the registered owner. please advise since these scumbags want $500 for the fine. does my girlfriend have to turn me in can't find anything on line about the law if she has to turn me in, cause i thought a person was innocent until guilty. please help and tell me what you would do or what i should do.

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lets be clear.

Your girlfriends dead dad got a ticket, correct?

Have the mom send a note with a copy of his death certificate to the court. It should go away.

Worst case is that come and arrest the dead dad.

The girlfriend and the mom should NOT say you were driving and should never get on a stand to testify. "My husband is dead, it wasn't him" end of story.

She DOES need to correct the car registration though....

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if sent to a deceased person, simply toss it in the garbage ... & do not answer any questions about anything to the cops; I would not recommend contacting any gov't employee

he's been dead for 2yrs. the current registration is in my girlfriends mom and girlfriends name. why the ticket is in his name i have no idea except maybe those thieves that send out the tickets looked at the picture and noticed a man and the closest they could find was my girlfriends dead dad. the ticket has him as the driver and him as the registered owner.i REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THESE LOWLIFE THIEVES 500$. If anyone could add to the above post i would greatly appreciate it.

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he's been dead for 2yrs. the current registration is in my girlfriends mom and girlfriends name. why the ticket is in his name i have no idea except maybe those thieves that send out the tickets looked at the picture and noticed a man and the closest they could find was my girlfriends dead dad. the ticket has him as the driver and him as the registered owner.i REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THESE LOWLIFE THIEVES 500$. If anyone could add to the above post i would greatly appreciate it.

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Perfect.

You could also simply ignore the whole thing. It'd be great if they went throught the whole process on a dead person- trial, threatenting letters, bench warrant- all for a dead person. There is simply NO way they will figure out it was you, and they would have to name a live person (ie the mom) to get her to court. It would be surprising if they filed a ticket with the obvious gender mismatch.



FYI-DO NOT get hostile and nasty. After all, you DID go though a red light, right? Try not to be so holy about it, OK? Yes, it is repugnant that they are ticketing a dead person with slim evidence.

your kidding right don't get hostile,then you pay the 500$, and yes i did go through the red light so what. i bet you can't drive 1 mile with out breaking a infraction, maybe you don't mind being blackmailed and robbed by this so called police department but i as a citizen am pissed. if the fine was 100$ ok i'd learn my lesson and move on in life but 500$ they can kiss my ass i'm gonna fight them till the end and if i loose i will go to jail or do community service and i hope while i'm in jail they release a real criminal and put him on the street. people like you make me sick, why not 5000$ or jail for people that make this mistake.it was a mistake plane and simple and no one got hurt, why do we not fine people that get in to crashes and actually hurt people cause there is such a thing as a mistake. i have a great driving record in 30yrs no accidents and one crash which wasn't my fault.everyone knows its all about MONEY

I KNOW its about the money.

I'm just giving you some pretty good tips (I think) on avoiding the fine.

Tell you what, why don't you drive over there with the ticket and really get in the man's face about it- THAT will really do the trick. Yell, scream, demand. Should work fine.

Me? I'd quietly go about slipping by and avoiding the whole matter.

The funny thing is that you still do not seem to get that YOU WERE NOT CITED. If the ticket was $100, how would you pay it? Nobody has said "Jackalop pay us money"...

Oh well.

the fine is on the back of the ticket. and i'm not stupid i'm not going to a police station and yell,scream and demand, that would get me arrested. my point is why 500$ its not reasonable. let the punishment fit the crime.

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the fine is on the back of the ticket. and i'm not stupid i'm not going to a police station and yell,scream and demand, that would get me arrested. my point is why 500$ its not reasonable. let the punishment fit the crime.

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There are other websites to rant about fines.

Reminds me of that joke, with the punch line of "Madam, we've already established that- we're just bickering about the price"

I'd fight your ticket (or more accurately the deceased father of your girlfriend's ticket) if it was $1. Simply on principle.

They are scumbags NOT for a $500 fine. they are scumbags (but more accurately they deserve to be reprimanded for failing to do their jobs) for presumptively citing a male in the household who is deceased. Their failure to do their job could then result in THOUSANDS of dollars spent over the course of the next two years as this nonsense matter continues to churn along. Since the person on the citation is deceased, there is NO LEGAL CONSEQUENCE to anyone for not responding. Write "deceased" on the envelope and refuse the mail. Done.

I highly doubt that the DMV has a legal responsibility to keep track of who died and who didn't. Unless a legal representative of the deceased notifies the department of someone's death, it would be reasonable to assume that their driver's license remains active until it expires.

As for red light camera tickets, it is the officer's duty (their duty to "the people of the state of California") to try to establish who is responsible for an alleged violation (a "criminal act" is a "criminal act" regardless of whether it is a simple infraction or a murder case). So when the officer receives notice of a violation showing that a male driver was in the driver's seat at the time, they do in fact search the department records for male drivers in the household and issue the citation accordingly. The matter then goes to court to establish whether the named party is indeed responsible for such act or not -the prosecution gets to put on their case, and the named defendant (or his/her estate) get to put on their defense-.

That is the way the system works... You can stomp your feet, bitch, nag, cry and shoot your mouth off all day... If it bothers you so much, then contact the state legislature and express your opinion that the system needs to change to accommodate your "standards". Same goes for the fine amount, as those are also set by the legislature. I highly doubt you'll do any that though... Its much easier to sit on your ass and act all self righteous rather than go out and doing something about this so called "injustice".

Lucky for you you were caught by a camera... Had it been an officer issued citation, you'd be up sh!t creek. Also, lucky for you that there is no legal requirement to identify the driver in an automated camera issued citation. Otherwise, your GF and/or her Mom would have to rat you out into a corner where you'd be obligated to stand in court to defend yourself.

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Their failure to do their job...

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What "failure"??? Are you suggesting that issuing a citation to an alleged violator is a "failure".

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... could then result in THOUSANDS of dollars spent over the course of the next two years as this nonsense matter continues to churn along.

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Why would it cost ANYONE THOUSANDS of dollars??? And why would it take TWO YEARS???

A simple letter with a copy of the death certificate mailed (or better yet, hand delivered) to the issuing agency should get this matter resolved in no time!

They have a responsibility to make an effort to find the guilty party. Citing a dead person is not a 'reasonable effort'. I can think of a lot of ways their documentation systems failed to flag this- but at some point "they" includes everyone at DMV and not just the guy signing the ticket. I guess we disagree.

You assume that the estate had not notified DMV of the death, I assume that since the estate had already transfered ownership from the dead guy to the wife, (And this requires a death certificate to do so without use tax) the DMV was told he was deceased.

Finally, issuing a citation to an alledged violator is one thing- citing a dead person is another.

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They have a responsibility to make an effort to find the guilty party. Citing a dead person is not a 'reasonable effort'.

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While you're free to suggest that the issuing officer should also cross reference his search with death records is deemed as "reasonable", I'm free to suggest that it is "beyond reasonable". Same analogy applies as to the DMV's responsibility to cross reference and check their records.

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I can think of a lot of ways their documentation systems failed to flag this- but at some point "they" includes everyone at DMV and not just the guy signing the ticket.

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And I can think of a number of ways why it wouldn't. For example, I have my P. O. Box address my DL and yet my title and registration have my home address. That, in and of itself suggests that the system may not be set up in a way to raise the "flags" that you're hoping for! Meaning, the system is working the way it was set up. If you have issued with how things work, then drive over to your nearest DMV office and drop them a note in the "suggestion box"...

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You assume that the estate had not notified DMV of the death, I assume that since the estate had already transfered ownership from the dead guy to the wife, (And this requires a death certificate to do so without use tax) the DMV was told he was deceased.

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The DMV was notified of the deceased death on an application to transfer title of the vehicle. Should the DMV employee have taken it upon him/herself to search the department records for a DL matching the name of the deceased? Maybe... However, the fact that he/she didn't does not mean they failed to accomplish the task they were asked to do. They transferred the title/registration as was requested, and called out for the next number (or went on another break :D ). Asking the DMV to go that extra mile (or few inches for that matter) is like hoping for a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow!!!

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Finally, issuing a citation to an alledged violator is one thing- citing a dead person is another.

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Either way, and at the end of the day, the matter gets resolved where the dead person is not held responsible for someone else's alleged violation!

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Either way, and at the end of the day, the matter gets resolved where the dead person is not held responsible for someone else's alleged violation!

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Wrong.

It isn't "someone else's alleged violation"... the state is alleging the dead person is the violator.

There is no "matter to be resolved" when the state is citing a dead person.

i'm afraid they will miss with the registration when they go to reregister the car, like i said it is my girlfriends and girlfriends MOM's car. she expects me to handle this. does any one know if i dont do anything will they miss with the car registration.

another sick minded person defending the status quo, i could call my state rep from now till i drop dead and it would not solve this problem. ive seen so many videos on how the city are CHEATING the residents out of their hard earned cash. growing up driving use to be fun now i'm afraid to go from point a to point b. this country is eating shit BIG TIME and most people know it. it doesn't matter who you vote into office their both crooks thats a FACT. my point is how do i avoid giving thes lowlifes my $500. when my GF's dad died we waited till the registration was due and put the car in her and her mothers name, we never notified the dmv cause there was no need to. but how the hell did they name him as the driver since it was me driving and hes been dead for 2yrs.

I told you how I'd handle it, but you don't believe me so lets see if anyone else replies...