My question involves criminal law for the state of: Virginia. I was arrested for being drunk in public and possession of alcohol under the age of (18)-21. Didn't actually have any alcohol in physical possession but facing the charge b/c it was supposedly in my metabolism :(. Sounds pretty bogus to me considering I refused to talk to the officer when he stopped me while I was walking and I spent the night/ half of a sunday in jail :wallbang:. And the cop didn't even read me my rights before or anytime after he cuffed me and took me off. Anyone have some thoughts? I feel like I could play it off by saying that I hadn't consumed any drinks of alcohol within like 60mins of leaving the party and all the alcohol was metabolized in my body before I was arrested. But everyone knows how police men are jerks!:(
Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
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10-12-2010, 01:28 AMStargazerPossession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
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10-12-2010, 05:38 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismYou're kidding, right? You feel like a whole lot of wrong, there.Quote:
I feel like I could play it off by saying that I hadn't consumed any drinks of alcohol within like 60mins of leaving the party and all the alcohol was metabolized in my body before I was arrested.
You don't have to have the booze in your hand to be popped for MIP. You were drunk in public, therefore you had, at some point shortly before, been in possession of alcohol. Unless you can somehow convince the judge that you just magically became drunk without ever having any alcohol in your possession? And no, refusal to talk to the officer would not help your argument in the slightest. Not only are drunk people obvious from their inability to walk straight, their glassy eyes, and their slurred speech and ridiculous demeanor, they REEK.
And everyone knows that under-aged drinkers are fools. Truisms are fun like that.Quote:
But everyone knows how police men are jerks!
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10-12-2010, 05:53 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
You are really going to go in front of a judge and say that you shouldn't be arrested for MIP because you had already drank it all?
You do realize that is a confession, right?
So, how did the nice officer know to talk to you? Were you staggering down the street? Throwing up in a bush? Peeing against a building? What? -
10-12-2010, 09:34 AMStargazerRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
LawResearcherMissy that's exactly the ignorant statement a cop would make and cops make me a sad stargazer........ As far as truisms go you actually have one thing correct. However riddle me this, how can a man be mature enough to be killed for a war with sinful intentions and ideologies yet not be able to treated like an adult and be able drink? “The misfortune of the wise is better than the prosperity of the fool.” If you are unable to comprehend maybe the apostle Matthew can change your self righteous attitude.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.6“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."
I was leaving a fraternity party b/c I had a deep laceration on middle finger and was bleeding profusely. I wrapped it up and left the party where alcohol does magically appear and is filtered throughout hundreds of people. I may or may not have physically possessed or consumed any alcohol but that is beyond the dilemma because that was within a private party and location. Cops were outside arresting other kids for real injustices. I left on foot to go get my wound cleaned and fix it up. I walked passed the police minding my own business and walked about 50 yards when from behind a cop grabs me by my survival pack and asks if there is any alcohol in it. Whether or not the officer can simply assume that there is or is not any alcohol in my pack is egregious. I told him there was nothing in it b/c it was legitimately empty. I informed the officer of my civil liberty to be able to not speak to him and how I needed to get home but I guess he needed to fill his quota up instead of being a decent person and arrested me.
Alcohol is absorbed throughout all parts of the gastrointestinal tract largely by diffusion into the bloodstream. Healthy people metabolize alcohol at a consistent rate. Also chronic alcoholics may metabolize alcohol at a significantly higher rate than the average which is probably not the best thing to say to a judge. Furthermore, alcohol has a high affinity for water. An individual's blood alcohol concentration is a variable of the total amount of alcohol in one's system divided by total body water. A well muscular individual will be less affected in which the alcohol is metabolized at a higher rate (up to two times as quickly), keep in mind I'm 6'1 215lbs of muscle and very fit. Because of my the higher metabolic rate for alcohol. If there was perchance any alcohol in my system that I would have consumed hours before leaving would have been metabolized. Since there were no tests of my actual level of BAC that night there is no possible estimation of my inebriation. And for what it's worth a single officers assumption cannot be a fair reflection of justice. -
10-12-2010, 09:58 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismMost people are sad after being busted.... kinda goes with the territory.Quote:
Quoting Stargazer
Write your congressman about changing the law. Until then, you have to live under it... you don't get to pick and choose which laws you think apply to you.Quote:
As far as truisms go you actually have one thing correct. However riddle me this, how can a man be mature enough to be killed for a war with sinful intentions and ideologies yet not be able to treated like an adult and be able drink
Okay. Not relevant.Quote:
I was leaving a fraternity party b/c I had a deep laceration on middle finger and was bleeding profusely.
Magically appeared?Quote:
I wrapped it up and left the party where alcohol does magically appear and is filtered throughout hundreds of people
Kid, you really need to readjust your attitude. If you think for a single moment that a judge is going to even let you BEGIN that line of reasoning, you are mistaken. Just suggesting it is playing with contempt of court... because...well...you are showing the court contempt.
Wrong... the illegal does not become legal on private property. Try again.Quote:
I may or may not have physically possessed or consumed any alcohol but that is beyond the dilemma because that was within a private party and location
Like, say, underage drinking?Quote:
Cops were outside arresting other kids for real injustices.
As you are leaving a party where they are outside arresting people and you are walking with a very bad and very recent wound? Not really.Quote:
I left on foot to go get my wound cleaned and fix it up. I walked passed the police minding my own business and walked about 50 yards when from behind a cop grabs me by my survival pack and asks if there is any alcohol in it. Whether or not the officer can simply assume that there is or is not any alcohol in my pack is egregious
Maybe you really don't understand the term "civil liberty" either.Quote:
I told him there was nothing in it b/c it was legitimately empty. I informed the officer of my civil liberty to be able to not speak to him and how I needed to get home but I guess he needed to fill his quota up instead of being a decent person and arrested me.
You know what's fun? That you think that people on this board need to be taught how alcohol is absorbed. That's fun. Isn't learning new facts fun? Makes you want to just tell everyone.Quote:
Alcohol is absorbed throughout all parts of the gastrointestinal tract largely by diffusion into the bloodstream. Healthy people metabolize alcohol at a consistent rate. Also chronic alcoholics may metabolize alcohol at a significantly higher rate than the average which is probably not the best thing to say to a judge. Furthermore, alcohol has a high affinity for water. An individual's blood alcohol concentration is a variable of the total amount of alcohol in one's system divided by total body water. A well muscular individual will be less affected in which the alcohol is metabolized at a higher rate (up to two times as quickly), keep in mind I'm 6'1 215lbs of muscle and very fit. Because of my the higher metabolic rate for alcohol. If there was perchance any alcohol in my system that I would have consumed hours before leaving would have been metabolized. Since there were no tests of my actual level of BAC that night there is no possible estimation of my inebriation. And for what it's worth a single officers assumption cannot be a fair reflection of justice.
The officer is a trained observer and witness to your crime.
So, to review...
We have debunked the "I can fight for my country but can't drink" argument, the "I am walking out of a party where cops are stopping people and arresting them but think I can just walk by because I want to" argument and the "I read on wikipedia how alcohol is absorbed" argument.
You drank. You are too young to drink. You tried to walk past cops that were arresting partygoers as they left a party because you had a boo boo.
Believe it or not, your injury made you MORE likely to be stopped than less. Drunks hurt themselves all the time.
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10-12-2010, 10:04 AMflyingronRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
While they call it "minor in possession" colloquially, the statute actually says:
No person to whom an alcoholic beverage may not lawfully be sold under § 4.1-304 shall consume, purchase or possess, or attempt to consume, purchase or possess, any alcoholic beverage
You've not said anything exculpatory. The officer will testify to the smell of alcohol or other signs of intoxication. Statements that you have drunken prior will also be used against you. Miranda doesn't apply until you are questioned AFTER arrest. It takes well over 60 minutes to metabolize "all the alcohol" out of your system if you've ingested even a ONE full sized drink. -
10-12-2010, 10:08 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismBAWWWWWWW more, kid. You broke the law, you got busted fair and square, and now you're going to have to suffer the consequences of your willful refusal to understand that yes, indeed, the law absolutely applies to you, too.Quote:
LawResearcherMissy that's exactly the ignorant statement a cop would make and cops make me a sad stargazer
If you can't afford to pay the fiddler, keep your seat and don't dance.
Honey, no. Just don't.Quote:
Alcohol is absorbed throughout all parts of the gastrointestinal tract largely by diffusion into the bloodstream. Healthy people metabolize alcohol at a consistent rate. blahblahblah irrelevant-cakes
I volunteer in a winery and am well aware of how alcohol works. It's not going to help you. The judge will laugh at you and tell you to sit the hell down and shut the hell up, and you'll get to pay your fines after being thoroughly humiliated in front of a whole bunch of people, instead of simply paying your fines and going home. -
10-12-2010, 10:10 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Not to mention he was leaving a party where alcohol magically appeared... and so he can be considered in possession because he was near it.
Darn those alcohol fairies and their alcohol abandonment ways....
See, you could have had a LOT more fun with the OP than this.Quote:
Quoting LawResearcherMissy
Ah, to be young, stupid and sure that you knew an answer that no one had ever thought of before. -
10-12-2010, 10:24 AMStargazerRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Oh someone's got jokes! But I guess they aren't really jokes since they aren't funny. Wikipedia has no creditability, that's why I got the info from a Academic Journal!
The only reason they were in the parking lot outside was bc someone vandalized a car and threw beer bottles at it and they were in the middle of arresting a kid for smoking dope. I wasn't the only passer by I was with in a group of people and was singled out for wearing my survival pack!
Politicians are just snakes in designer suits. But I guess "Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s" even if it doesn't make any sense.
I have the same lawyer that Phelps had soo I'm not going to be saying much to the judge. -
10-12-2010, 10:26 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismKid, that still doesn't mean we need a lecture.... or a report on how very fit you are.Quote:
Quoting Stargazer
AH HA... we have a winner.Quote:
The only reason they were in the parking lot outside was bc someone vandalized a car and threw beer bottles at it and they were in the middle of arresting a kid for smoking dope. I wasn't the only passer by I was with in a group of people and was singled out for wearing my survival pack!
No, genius. You were singled out because the cops were there to find out who was throwing glass bottles at a car and you are trying to sneak past with a laceration.
I am not going to quote an "Academic Journal" here, but will go out on a limb and state that when you throw bottles, they break. When they break, broken glass is scattered around. Broken glass is sharp. Sharp glass causes cuts. You had a cut.
See?
What, exactly, doesn't make sense? You knew the rules and broke them. Your approval of those rules was not required. If you don't like the rules, change them.Quote:
Politicians are just snakes in designer suits. But I guess "Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s" even if it doesn't make any sense.
Ah, I remember the first time I was allowed to vote.... made me feel like I had to lecture my elders on the entire political scene.
So far you have given us a discourse on alcohol and on the political climate. A smart kid like you should have already understood that drinking for you was illegal. You choose to break the law and got caught.
One more thing... when you were throwing those bottles, I bet you got beer all over you. Smells to high heaven.
You do realize, of course, that Phelps LOST his underage drinking charge, right?Quote:
I have the same lawyer that Phelps had soo I'm not going to be saying much to the judge.
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10-12-2010, 10:27 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
How does any of this nonsense imply that the law does not apply to you?
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10-12-2010, 10:37 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismSHHH....Quote:
Quoting LawResearcherMissy
You just know our pompous friend here is already practicing his court appearance where he tells the judge such a compelling story of logic and insight that the judge not only nullifies the charges against him but also decides to resign the bench as a protest to how all the others have been treated.
He thinks that because a person that he pays by the hour listens to all his drivel that the court will, too. He doesn't yet realize that his entire time in front of the bench will likely be as long as it takes to say, "I'm guilty".... because his attorney will plea him down. -
10-12-2010, 10:43 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Man, Jeffy, I'm am SO GLAD my 18 year-old is outfitted with an apparently more updated model brain than our little friend here. Remind me to thank him for not being a dumbass when he gets home from school.
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10-12-2010, 10:46 AMaardvarcRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
I'm thinking some cookies and milk might be in order Missy!
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10-12-2010, 10:56 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Where I live, I can give him a glass of wine. ;)
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10-12-2010, 11:52 AMStargazerRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Well that would be believable but I had already bandaged my finger before I left and the cut wasn't big just deep. They didn't even question or see my wound until a hour later in the station and I took off the bandage while they were about to process me. Ha I actually ripped it off and squeezed my finger and blood started pouring all over the place and I almost convinced the cop that he did it. Then the officer took me to the hospital where we got almost like 4 hours of quality bonding time together. I'm sure you're son is a real saint! Just the thought of that is perturbing. Building up your self-conscious for your inadequate parenting is very pathetic. And I don't really want your glass of wine my mom owns a vineyard
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10-12-2010, 01:31 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
One more time, Junior.
How does ANY of your blithering imply that the laws of your state do not apply to you? Ron quoted the statute for you. Why does it not apply to you? -
10-12-2010, 03:01 PMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismOh, so you were around the magic alcohol long enough to possess it.Quote:
Quoting Stargazer
Goody.Quote:
And I don't really want your glass of wine my mom owns a vineyard
My great grandfather was a pirate.
Neither makes any difference here... though it does shed some light on your overwhelming sense of entitlement.
Jr, you lost this one. Pay the fine and shut your mouth. Opening it will have you picking up trash in the most humiliating way possible.
Do you have ANY idea how many smart kids stand in front of that judge a year? week? day? All saying something very similar to what you said.
Haven't you ever wondered why the streets around campus are so clean?
Oh, and missy's kid never spent the weekend in jail. Rocks and glass houses, ya know? -
10-12-2010, 07:06 PMcissycicleRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismIs your mom one of the Gallo Brothers?Quote:
Quoting Stargazer
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10-12-2010, 07:20 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismEX-ACTLY. He's also not stupid enough to think he's going to lecture his Elders. About BOOZE, of all things.Quote:
Oh, and missy's kid never spent the weekend in jail. Rocks and glass houses, ya know?
Why is it that when these little miscreants get busted, they want to try to hold up someone else's behavior, as if it makes their own less questionable? -
10-12-2010, 07:30 PMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismDon't forget the lengthy discourse in how it isn't fair to have some rights before others.Quote:
Quoting LawResearcherMissy
Like theirs was the first generation to go through that. -
10-12-2010, 08:49 PMPattyPARe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismQuote:
Quoting cyjeff
My relative a number of times removed was U.S. Grant. Doesn't make me president. :rolleyes:
This is the first time I've looked at this thread. Un-freakin'-believeable. :wallbang: -
10-12-2010, 10:05 PMaardvarcRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
At least the judge will get some comic relief for the day. It's a good thing.
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10-13-2010, 01:58 AMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismYou wouldn't be a very good cop.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
You don't hurt yourself throwing bottles unless you throw them at your own feet. And that would just be silly.
You have to agree, it really does defy logic.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
"Come here kid, we're going to teach you how to use an anti-tank missile launcher"
Two days later
"Hey! Give me that 4.5% beer! You're not responsible enough!" -
10-13-2010, 05:46 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismYou have obviously never worked in a bar. Broken glass goes everywhere when a bottle breaks... even in a trash can.Quote:
Quoting jklo
Write your congressman. Good luck.Quote:
You have to agree, it really does defy logic.
"Come here kid, we're going to teach you how to use an anti-tank missile launcher"
Two days later
"Hey! Give me that 4.5% beer! You're not responsible enough!"
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10-13-2010, 06:52 AMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismI'm not sure you understand the word 'throw'. Yeah, broken glass goes everywhere. What's important is your vicinity to the 'impact zone'. To 'throw' something indicates distance from origin.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
I'll make it simple. If you throw a football and it lands in a puddle. Water will splash. But (here's the tricky part) you won't get wet because you are at the point from which the football originated.
Go get yourself 24 bottles. Throw them. And see how many injuries you obtain. So long as you don't throw like a girl you'll be perfectly safe.
(and seriously, if you throw a bottle at a car and a shard of glass comes back and cuts you in the hand....you're mistaken)
Thanks, I will. It doesn't make sense.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
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10-13-2010, 07:09 AMflyingronRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismWell advised for people intending to use molotov cocktails as well. And don't throw them overhand, lest you end up doing what the local bomb squad guy refers to as the DOFA (Dance of the Flaming A..hole).Quote:
Go get yourself 24 bottles. Throw them. And see how many injuries you obtain. So long as you don't throw like a girl you'll be perfectly safe.
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10-13-2010, 07:13 AMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismGood point. cyjeff, if you do throw like a girl and there are molotov cocktails involved....just watch.Quote:
Quoting flyingron
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10-13-2010, 08:51 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismFirst, I see no reference to the velocity of the bottles thrown, the distance from the thrower to the target, the speed and direction of the car in question or the rebound capabilities of the materials hit.Quote:
Quoting jklo
Therefore, to say, "can't be done" ignores a great many important variables in the equation.
Second, beer bottle glass is comparatively thick ... meaning that large pieces tend to be created especially around the punt. A large piece can and often will rebound directly back along the line of velocity at a speed equal to the impact velocity minus the impact dampening effect. If the car was moving, it's line of travel (away or towards the thrower) will also effect that springback velocity.
Want to play Mr. Wizard? Throw a bottle against the wall from a distance of approx. 3 meters with varying degrees of force. Put in front of you some unblemished foam rubber like that within a cheap lawn chair cushion.
After you throw a few, notice the cuts and gashes in the cushion. You will be surprised.
I recommend ... strongly... eye protection. -
10-13-2010, 10:13 AMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolismlol. Day off?Quote:
First, I see no reference to the velocity of the bottles thrown, the distance from the thrower to the target, the speed and direction of the car in question or the rebound capabilities of the materials hit.
I think a lot can be said of the use of the word 'throw' and the word 'bottle' in the same sentence. Not 'tossed', not 'dropped', not 'passed' - although that's what I would have said to a cop, "I didn't throw it officer, I passed it".
The mere cultural background of throwing a bottle indicates that there is very little risk involved. There is a certain trajectory associated with the act of throwing a bottle. Who stands 3 meters from an object and heaves a glass bottle at it? (maybe you do, I'm not sure)
It's not all science. Sometimes it takes real world societal application.
Did you pull out your 9th grade science text book?Quote:
Second, beer bottle glass is comparatively thick ... meaning that large pieces tend to be created especially around the punt. A large piece can and often will rebound directly back along the line of velocity at a speed equal to the impact velocity minus the impact dampening effect.
If this is your concern in regards to throwing bottles....you're doing it wrong. Armor not needed.
I took the statement that the car was vandalized and had bottles thrown at it to mean that it was parked. But vandalizm in motion is a fun theory too.Quote:
If the car was moving, it's line of travel (away or towards the thrower) will also effect that springback velocity.
No, I'd rather play Mr. Can Infer Things and Apply Them To Social Realities.Quote:
Want to play Mr. Wizard? Throw a bottle against the wall from a distance of approx. 3 meters with varying degrees of force. Put in front of you some unblemished foam rubber like that within a cheap lawn chair cushion.
I would willingly bet you $100 that nobody at this particular party was throwing bottles at objects from a distance of 3 meters. Doesn't happen Einstein.
I wouldn't be surprised. Your little experiment is obvious (well, 9th grade textbook). Play your 3 meter game if you like but I don't recommend it. Infact I'm not even sure that you'd know what part of the bottle to grip...Quote:
After you throw a few, notice the cuts and gashes in the cushion. You will be surprised.
And still, throwing a bottle won't cut your hand (unless you're doing it wrong ie. at a distance of 3 meters at a solid object like an idiot). -
10-13-2010, 10:57 AMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismOh, so your answer is "I don't understand basic science and, therefore, will belittle you instead".Quote:
Quoting jklo
You seem to have a great deal of knowledge of the details here. How far away were you when you threw the bottle?
Did the OP say ANYWHERE that the car was parked? Or did he just say that a bottle had been thrown at a car? Are you saying it is impossible that a drunk would throw a bottle at a moving car?
Lastly, the only reason you signed onto this site was to state this crazy position here. Stargazer, making up users just so that it sounds like someone else "gets" you is pretty juvenile.... well, kinda like throwing a bottle at a car.
"OH FUN. Bottle go BOOM."
I will say that your defense and obvious experience with not only this type of vandalism but the particulars here suggests that you should have been charged with a great deal more than you were.
Maybe if you had paid attention in class rather than telling everyone what you are entitled to you wouldn't have needed to reference a science book. I didn't.
EDIT: I cut out the rest of the worthless "science is dumb" rant. -
10-13-2010, 01:48 PMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismThe basic science is easy to understand. The hard part is the application, as you can see.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
ohhh half a football field.Quote:
You seem to have a great deal of knowledge of the details here. How far away were you when you threw the bottle?
Well, my superior reading comprehension skills picked up on the fact that the car was both vandalized and had bottles thrown at it. As this particular distinction was made I am led to believe that there were separate acts of vandalizm in addition to the bottle throwing. While throwing a bottle at a moving vehicle is rather easy. Many additional possible acts of vandalizm against a moving vehicle prove much harder. Oh, and it all took place in a parking lot. While not impossible to drive in a parking lot, statistically cars spend a larger percentage of time within a parking lot, parked. Thus adding to my suspicions.Quote:
Did the OP say ANYWHERE that the car was parked? Or did he just say that a bottle had been thrown at a car? Are you saying it is impossible that a drunk would throw a bottle at a moving car?
YES! Finally! You get it! When are you joining the police academy? I can't believe how quickly you picked this up. Yeah, see, I joined as jklo back in Feb with the intention of creating this post as stargazer and trapping you in it. I can't believe it all worked exactly as planned.Quote:
Lastly, the only reason you signed onto this site was to state this crazy position here. Stargazer, making up users just so that it sounds like someone else "gets" you is pretty juvenile.... well, kinda like throwing a bottle at a car.
No. I'm not stargazer.
Well. That could be true. But you have the wrong case.Quote:
I will say that your defense and obvious experience with not only this type of vandalism but the particulars here suggests that you should have been charged with a great deal more than you were.
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10-13-2010, 02:37 PMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismYou seem to have this image of what happened in your head and don't see any other way things could have happened.Quote:
Quoting jklo
This is known as "assuming facts not in evidence".
Another assumption.Quote:
ohhh half a football field.
Another assumption. You do realize that a car may be vandalized with a bottle, right?Quote:
Well, my superior reading comprehension skills picked up on the fact that the car was both vandalized and had bottles thrown at it. As this particular distinction was made I am led to believe that there were separate acts of vandalizm in addition to the bottle throwing.
No, my assumptive friend. The location of the vandalism was never stated. The ARREST was happening in the parking lot next to the vandalized car.Quote:
While throwing a bottle at a moving vehicle is rather easy. Many additional possible acts of vandalizm against a moving vehicle prove much harder. Oh, and it all took place in a parking lot. While not impossible to drive in a parking lot, statistically cars spend a larger percentage of time within a parking lot, parked. Thus adding to my suspicions.
Again, you are assuming things.
I wouldn't have believed that TWO people could be this obtuse. My hopes for the future are dashed.Quote:
YES! Finally! You get it! When are you joining the police academy? I can't believe how quickly you picked this up. Yeah, see, I joined as jklo back in Feb with the intention of creating this post as stargazer and trapping you in it. I can't believe it all worked exactly as planned.
of course, you were THEN worried that throwing something could get you arrested for assault. Sorry that didn't work out better.
And yet you know everything that happened. Hmmm..... maybe you just remembered that you had an old account.Quote:
No. I'm not stargazer.
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10-13-2010, 02:48 PMcdwjavaRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
Okay, from MY decades of experience in law enforcement, a cut on the finger is very possible when people are tossing bottles at a car. It all depends on the circumstances. One bottle, not likely. A throwing fest by a hole bunch of people? Much more likely. Why? because of the feeding frenzy, so to speak. People start picking up bottles, broken bottles, half of bottles, etc. and toss them. Some even go up to the car and smash the bottle on the car, or toss from close range. (and, yes, this happens with some frequency in college towns in my state ... not common, but not unheard of, either)
Is it possible for the kid with the cut finger to have been part of the vandalism? Sure. By itself the cut doesn't support a conviction for vandalism, but it certainly warrants a detention and further look by the cops. And, since the OP had been drinking he was charged appropriately. he can probably plead to the lesser of the two offenses and be done with it after taking an alcohol class (that he will, of course, ignore) and keeping his nose clean for a time.
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10-13-2010, 02:59 PMcyjeffRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
So you are saying that a recent cut that required "immediate attention" while police were investigating beer bottles thrown at a car would be considered, in police parlance, a clue?
nevermind... the two(?) respondents won't believe us.... -
10-13-2010, 03:28 PMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismWhat I'm seeing in my head is 9 out of 10 people standing in a line demonstrating how they would throw a bottle and then you turning around and heaving it at the wall 3 meters behind you...lol.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
Anyway, the point was that it's really difficult to cut yourself when you throw a bottle. That still stands.
You asked a question. I answered it.Quote:
Another assumption.
Hmmmm. You missed the point. Why would somebody say "someone vandalized a car and threw beer bottles at it". That don't make no sense.Quote:
Another assumption. You do realize that a car may be vandalized with a bottle, right?
Are you assuming that you can't read?
Now you're adding in words. Where did you get 'next' from?Quote:
No, my assumptive friend. The location of the vandalism was never stated. The ARREST was happening in the parking lot next to the vandalized car.
Parking lot's a good place to park a car though....
Yeah, weird huh. You and stargazer.Quote:
I wouldn't have believed that TWO people could be this obtuse. My hopes for the future are dashed.
Yeah, whole idea scared the sh!+ out of me. And as I recall, there's potential it can be, but surely you know that. But...how could it have worked out any better than it did? It was hilarious and there were no consequences.Quote:
of course, you were THEN worried that throwing something could get you arrested for assault. Sorry that didn't work out better.
You tell me I'm assumptive...you tell me I was there....Quote:
And yet you know everything that happened. Hmmm..... maybe you just remembered that you had an old account.
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Quoting cdwjava
There's those semantics at work!Quote:
Quoting cdwjava
In relation to my decription of throw, which was in relation to stargazer's use of 'throw', I feel like internal imagery is missing from some posters here....answer me this, when you read the word 'car', do you picture a car in your head?
Maybe stargazer can clear up the throwing situation...(I can't)Quote:
One bottle, not likely. A throwing fest by a hole bunch of people? Much more likely.
It sounds more minor than a throw fest (didn't the cops get distracted by a pot smoker?).....so injuries not likely.
I'd still like to see you try to see me hurt myself throwing a bottle. -
10-13-2010, 03:36 PMcdwjavaRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My Metabolism
The point is, we do not know the situation or whether or not the cops saw the injury and assumed it might be related to the events in question. But, in the long run, it is neither here nor there as Stargazer was not arrested for having a cut finger, he was arrested for being drunk in public and for having consumed alcohol while being underage. So this finger cut thing is a red herring and not relevant.
Oh, and I have seen people cut themselves throwing bottles ... chipped necks/spouts, and the like have a nasty way of catching one's fingers. But, as I said, it is neither here nor there and who cares how the cut was obtained?
So, unless there is anything more to add with regards to the legal issues of THIS situation and alcohol, then I think we're done here. -
10-13-2010, 03:48 PMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismLittle bit of caution and you're all good.Quote:
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But your whole post was very authoritative. Yeah, I believe you're a cop. lol. -
10-13-2010, 03:58 PMcdwjavaRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismNothing like experience, education, and a couple decades doing what I do.Quote:
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What are you? A high school student? Perhaps you should reel in that chip on your shoulder and learn to take a chill pill, kiddo.
Anything to actually add to the discussion? or are you here simply to try and tweak your betters? -
10-13-2010, 04:12 PMjkloRe: Possession of Alcohol Only Because It Was in My MetabolismDoug Betters?Quote:
Quoting cdwjava
I dunno. Sometimes arrogrance just sets me off. (not saying you are)
I did have a question to ask. But I'm not going to now.
And I don't have a chip on my shoulder. But....do uh....do you sell chill pills on the side? (joking)