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    Default "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf

    I guess what gobsmacks me about this is that someone decided it would be a good idea.

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    When I was growing up in that part of PA, our football team used to play Harriton High School at Homecoming. I remember one year we beat them 76 -6.

    Oops, sorry, for a minute I thought I was in the Banter forum.

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    Quote Quoting Baz744
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    http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf

    I guess what gobsmacks me about this is that someone decided it would be a good idea.
    I know people who think that's a GREAT idea.

    I want to set them on fire.

    In fact, I want to set anyone who believes that people are not entitled to privacy on fire. I don't have to have anything to hide to want to be alone and unobserved.
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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    Indeed, it is a GREAT idea.

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    Amazingly sick. If you're having trouble accessing the pdf version as I am, here's the cached html version webcam surveillance

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    Being in my backyard, this was especially un-nerving to me.

    At first I thought it was a case of a clueless school official not knowing the difference between email and snooping. I figured it would just be that the dumbass kid took a picture and saved it to the laptop. Then IT was checking content of the school issued laptops (as they should) and found the picture.

    When said kid got busted for whatever violation he challenged a clueless school official and they just said "we see everything" and the media, parents, and lawyers flipped.

    BUT, the more that comes out in this case, the more it looks like the school effed up big time! If they are turning on the cameras of teen children whenever they like, I hope they rot in hell (or at least end up in the un-employment line)

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    Quote Quoting LawResearcherMissy
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    I know people who think that's a GREAT idea.

    I want to set them on fire.

    In fact, I want to set anyone who believes that people are not entitled to privacy on fire. I don't have to have anything to hide to want to be alone and unobserved.
    I hafta take a bit of an exception to your "arson".........

    Firstly, were not the laptops provided by the school? {Who also retained ownership of said laptops.}

    Secondly, would it not make at least a modicum of sense to turn off the laptop when it's not in use? Or at least close the effin lid! Isn't there beaucoup stories around of how hackers are lurking into webcams and home PCs?

    Thirdly, yes!, the school is doing major league wrong by 'snooping', but all the possessors of the wecam-equipped goodies had to do was a bit of due diligence and their "private" moments would not have been able to have been violated.

    IMHO it's a case of double stupid........or more like shared stupid!
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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    The problem lies in the fact that they never disclosed - either to students or their parents - that they could (and would!) snoop at will, invading not only the privacy of the students, but of their parents as well. It doesn't matter that the laptops belonged to the school - the school had no right at all to stick their noses into private family life.

    There's no shared blame here. It's neither illegal nor stupid to leave your computer on (all the hacker alarmism is horsepuckey, the mere act of leaving your computer on isn't enough to let 'em in), but it's plenty of both to not disclose that you're sneaking peeks of teenagers in their bedrooms.
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    Quote Quoting LawResearcherMissy
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    ......all the hacker alarmism is horsepuckey, the mere act of leaving your computer on isn't enough to let 'em in........
    Wellllllll, I hafta beg to differ again!

    I am probably not the most savvy noob on the block, BUT, (with permission!) I was able to access two nieghbors' webcams and PCs on their (then!) unsecured wi-fi.......then got in again using a simple password hack gizmo when they thought they had secure enough password protection(s).

    It's not hard and it's not as horsepuckey-ish as you have led yourself to believe.
    You can educate dumb, but you can't fix stupid!

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    Default Re: "I Don't Have Anything to Hide. Why Should I Care About "Privacy"

    I don't have anything to hide. But the problem isn't that I want to hide something. The problem is that the people looking may not fully understand what they see. Instead they are just looking for some piece of evidence to support their own views while insulating themselves from opposing arguments.

    They try to remove pieces of information that they find from their context, and put them in a new context that gives a totally different meaning. They twist and pervert the truth.

    And so it is easier just to have privacy, than it is to try and get through their thick skulls and give them a real understanding of the situation.

    I would embrace total openness, as soon as people embrace more open minded, intelligent, and less judgmental views of things. When people want to look at ideas that challenge their own, instead of hide from them. Etc.

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