"Routine" Traffic Stops - There's No Such Thing

[cdwjava]

Oakland, California

All, from a "routine" traffic stop ...

http://www.ktvu.com/news/18983600/detail.html#-

The suspect: a wanted parolee-at-large with prior convictions for weapons and assaults.

The victims: Four officers (three now deceased) ... two on the initial traffic stop, two more when they attempted to take the rat bastard into custody.

Another f'ing funeral .... three, in fact. Maybe a fourth ... we'll know later.

- Carl

[Baystategirl]

Carl..I am so incredibly sorry for the loss of these officers. My sympathies to their families and the law enforcement community.

Perhaps one of the idiots that post here and other sites will gain an understanding of why officers approach a traffic stop with such caution.

Bay

[BOR]

My heart goes out to the families and friends of those officer's.


Carl, Ohio had an officer killed in the line of duty at a traffic stop last year.

He had a little 3 month old.


http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?S=8666696


If I were rich, I would have made sure the family never had to worry financially again.

Some people are vile and satanic and you can't change them, never.

I saw an epidsode of a video shw once where a man who just killed 3 officer's had taken a hostage at a gas station. The negogiator tried to get him to let the hostage go. Among other quaint defenses, he said he did not want to go back to prison because the food was bad!!

He let the hostage go, and when police stormed it, they found he had committed suicide.

I have never been a police officer, but when I took criminal law we certainly did cover a wige range of subjects on safety, awareness, etc.

[cyjeff]

Carl,

Please accept my condolences along with the others.

So many people here think that all officers do is to hassle THEM and to generate revenue for the state.

They forget that the "thin Blue Line" bleeds.

May their families find peace.

Jeff

[cdwjava]

At least in our state, the family members of officers killed in the line of duty tend to be cared for to some degree and the state colleges and universities offer free or massively discounted tuition for survivors.

I've gone to this event for the better part of 15 years and I have a couple friends inscribed here:

http://www.camemorial.org/

It's most tragic when you have multiple deaths from one agency in one incident ... few of this magnitude.

Thanks for the well wishes. No site or information yet on trust funds or condolences to the Oakland PD, but I will post it when I get word.

- Carl

[cdwjava]

The fourth officer has passed ...

http://www.sacbee.com/830/story/1718877.html

- Carl

[cbg]

Carl, my sympathies as well to you, to the law enforcement community in general, and to the families of the officers involved.

[jk]

Sorry to hear this Carl.

the part I don't get is this (excerpt from the article):

Meanwhile, about 20 people had a much different reaction -- taunting police near the scene of the first shooting.

If this area is this bad, maybe the police refusing to answer calls to this area may let those 20 (and I presume others not there at the time) understand that the officers put their lives on the line to protect them, regardless of how much they disagree.

again, my condolences to those brothers of yours, and their families.

[cdwjava]

Sorry to hear this Carl.

the part I don't get is this (excerpt from the article):



If this area is this bad, maybe the police refusing to answer calls to this area may let those 20 (and I presume others not there at the time) understand that the officers put their lives on the line to protect them, regardless of how much they disagree.

again, my condolences to those brothers of yours, and their families.

What even these protesters don't understand is that whether they like the cops or not, the cops are going to respond and do what they have to do even for those that spit on and demean them. It's what they do.

Oakland is a meat grinder for cops. The average stay for an officer there used to be about 5 years ... I believe it is up to about 8 years now, but the crime rate and the work load are among the highest around. Even when I was a starving boot looking to avoid layoffs in Sacramento in 1992, I would never have considered Oakland PD ... not because of the area or the department, the department was pretty good - it was because the start of the shift meant you were a dozen calls down, and the likelihood of you getting in a life threatening situation was higher than most every other city in the Bay Area save East Palo Alto (which had a multiple shooting and homicide the same day as this slaughter).

Thank you for the kind words.

- Carl

[cdwjava]

The four dead ....

http://www.odmp.org/officer/19879-sergeant-ervin-romans

http://www.odmp.org/officer/19878-sergeant-mark-dunakin

http://www.odmp.org/officer/19881-sergeant-daniel-sakai

http://www.odmp.org/officer/19882-po...icer-john-hege

I am told that at least two left behind wives and young children ...

And, apparently in the carnage there was a glimmer of hope for the people of Oakland to stand in contrast to the vermin that taunted officers at the scene of the original slayings, witnesses who saw the shootings called 9-1-1 and rendered aid to the fallen officers even as the suspect was still in the area. There are decent people out there, in spite of the perceptions that those twenty or so SOBs might provide.

- Carl