Abortion Rights

[cyjeff]

As a proud libertarian I support a womans right to do with her body as she wishes. The goverment should NEVER regulate abortion. Nor should they force their PERSONAL religious beliefs on others.

Edit: there are alot of people I know who I wish were aborted.

I, too, lean toward libertarian and believe that law should not intrude into a person's life EXCEPT when that life influences another.

The classic legal concept of "your right to wave your arm is stopped the moment your arm touches my nose".

What about the baby's right to exist and to be treated as an entity. Even moon said we have to protect children. I guess the true debate is when does life begin?

When do we have to protect life?

[cyjeff]

I want to stress this point.

I am not particularly religious. My questions are not based in biblical right or wrong, but merely in logic.

I have never understood the logic in one group of people, whomever they are, being able to decide that another group of people, whomever they are, do not enjoy the same status. In other words, how is it any different to decide that fetuses aren't "people" and can, therefore, be killed indescriminately as opposed to deciding that, say, african americans aren't "people" and can, therefore, be forced into slavery?

The argument is fundamentally flawed.

Whenever we start deciding that some people are people and other people are not, we have stepped backward on the path to civilization.

All human life must be valued if any human life is to be valued.

Again, if you doubt that an aborted fetus is more than a removed bunch of cells, ask any woman that has had either an abortion or a miscarriage.

You don't mourn the loss of a mole.

[cyjeff]

One last point of debate.

People do not become gay. They are born to be gay. This extrapolates to there being a genetic characteristic to homosexuality that may be mapped.

What if the reason I wanted to abort my child was because, genetically, that child would likely be a homosexual?

Then, would the rights of the child change? If the only motivation is the wishes of the mother, then we shouldn't care why the abortion would occur, right?

[blueeagle]

I, too, lean toward libertarian and believe that law should not intrude into a person's life EXCEPT when that life influences another.

The classic legal concept of "your right to wave your arm is stopped the moment your arm touches my nose".

What about the baby's right to exist and to be treated as an entity. Even moon said we have to protect children. I guess the true debate is when does life begin?

When do we have to protect life?

I'm not a doctor or a scientist. Some say life begins at conception the womans body. This is true... but there are numerous phases the fetus must go through to be truly "human". Until this happens a woman should have the right to do with her body as she wishes.

I admit there needs to be some time limit. Nobody wants a woman having an abortion right before she gives birth. Roe vs Wade assessed this "limit" to being 28 weeks. This is pretty much right-on-the-money.

Do I MORALLY support abortion? Hell no, but who a I to tell somebody else what that can and can't do with their own body?

[blueeagle]

One last point of debate.

People do not become gay. They are born to be gay. This extrapolates to there being a genetic characteristic to homosexuality that may be mapped.

Very true. I am not gay myself, but I know a few people who are None of them made the "choice" to be a homosexual.

Another thing, why does the goverment try to prevent gays from serving ni the military? To quote Barry Goldwater:

"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."

[cyjeff]

I'm not a doctor or a scientist. Some say life begins at conception the womans body. This is true... but there are numerous phases the fetus must go through to be truly "human". Until this happens a woman should have the right to do with her body as she wishes.

I admit there needs to be some time limit. Nobody wants a woman having an abortion right before she gives birth. Roe vs Wade assessed this "limit" to being 28 weeks. This is pretty much right-on-the-money.

Do I MORALLY support abortion? Hell no, but who a I to tell somebody else what that can and can't do with their own body?

I am not sure I understand this argument. If the fetus can be identified, it is then a child, right... just in a state of development.

If we can say that children are not children until they undergo all the phases that make them children, then can down's syndrome children be killed indescriminately? After all, they will never complete all of the phases.

What about people in comas? They do not talk or care for themselves and are dependent upon the actions of others for life. Why not just kill them... it would certainly be more convenient.

[blueeagle]

I am not sure I understand this argument. If the fetus can be identified, it is then a child, right... just in a state of development.

If we can say that children are not children until they undergo all the phases that make them children, then can down's syndrome children be killed indescriminately? After all, they will never complete all of the phases.

What about people in comas? They do not talk or care for themselves and are dependent upon the actions of others for life. Why not just kill them... it would certainly be more convenient.

Again, im not a doctor, and I slept through most of my biology classes.

I just believe a woman should have the right to her body.

[cyjeff]

Again, im not a doctor, and I slept through most of my biology classes.

I just believe a woman should have the right to her body.

Agreed.

We just have to establish what rights a fetus has to his/her body.

[sweet cookies]

So isn't that statement infringing on religious peoples rights? Death penalty for religious people? Why don't we all just Love each other and stop killing? You don't sound any better then a Bible thumper. Or a person that would fight a "holy war". Stop the violence! Let the Gays be gay and the Bible people be Bible people! Don't kill anyone! This is America! Let freedom ring!

[Stephen92]

Out law abortion taking the life of an innocent child is wrong.