Abortion Rights

[Happy Trails]

Moon and cyjeff, you two might consider moving your debate over to the Debate the Issues forum.

Oh, and Moon, I would be interested to know where you are getting your percentages and statistics from. Hopefully, it is not from the small group of people that you know personally in your life.

[gigirle]

Moon doesn't have any facts to support his statements, it's more than obvious that he makes it up as he goes along.

His comment

round up all religious freaks & execute them

is proof of that. I've heard some DUMB comments before but this one takes the cake for the week. Even about his other post. So kill anyone who doesn't believe in what he believes and "love and happiness will shine all over the world." Yeah, that's the intelligent answer and genocide will solve all the woes of the world. Sounds like the same thing Hitler did to the Jews and how'd that work out? An intelligent person would see the basic flaw in the idea.

I stand more now than ever that your dumb and now I'll add stupid to it bc you boast that you've never lost a debate. A smart person would know that just bc you rant and rant on and on doesn't make you a winner. The content of your text made you a loser.

[moonlief73]

If wholesale murder of people with different beliefs isn't war, what is your definition of the term? Murder to make the world safe? Careful, now... that sounds an awful lot like a preemptive strike.

Who would be next? What other groups of people have forfeited their right to live? Anyone that doesn't share your beliefs?

You demand tolerance of your views while professing the worst kind of intolerance for any other.

Animals, in your view, are innocent and deserving of protection. Children are innocent and deserving of your protection. Unborn children can be flushed.

How do you rationalize that?

Good questions! You're the first right to lifer that I saw who actually wrote down good questions. How do I rationalize protecting children versus flushing aborted fetuses? Well, children talk, laugh, cry & have feelings. They also have memories & the ability to attract compassion. Fetuses don't talk, laugh or cry. They don't have memories & from what doctors have told me, newborns don't even have a sense of pain until their nerve endings are fully developed. That is probably why I saw them draw blood out of my daughter's foot with that icky needle the day that she was born & she never cried. Fetuses are not much different from plants. I don't think that they should be flushed. I think that they should be used to further medical breakthroughs & Science. To answer everyone's question about my statistics on sex? Well I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. After every post, a person should sign off by stating whether they have sex just to have children or mostly for pleasure.
So I will sign off this post by declaring I have never had sex to make children. All of it was exclusively for pleasure. . .

[Happy Trails]

I never asked about your statistics on sex.

You are found all over this board throwing out percentages and stating which groups are of the minority and which groups are the majority.....

You write as though these percentages and statements are factual, I'm curious to know where you are getting them from.

[moonlief73]

Moon doesn't have any facts to support his statements, it's more than obvious that he makes it up as he goes along.

His comment is proof of that. I've heard some DUMB comments before but this one takes the cake for the week. Even about his other post. So kill anyone who doesn't believe in what he believes and "love and happiness will shine all over the world." Yeah, that's the intelligent answer and genocide will solve all the woes of the world. Sounds like the same thing Hitler did to the Jews and how'd that work out? An intelligent person would see the basic flaw in the idea.

I stand more now than ever that your dumb and now I'll add stupid to it bc you boast that you've never lost a debate. A smart person would know that just bc you rant and rant on and on doesn't make you a winner. The content of your text made you a loser.

Dear! Comparing Hitler's idea of killing Jews off for being Jews was a ridiculous idea. The satire I was using if implemented would kill off people for their radical ideals, not for being born to a race. My satire was only recognized by SeinorJudge. Anyone else who took me seriously, is not only a nincompoop, but is also the kind of person who misses every joke or comic jab heard by a controversial radio host. Now before you misunderstand what I just said, & tell me that I am not a radio host, look at how I am using that example in the context of what I am saying. By the way dear! Using the word (and) too many times in a sentence makes you look dumb. . .

[gigirle]

Please, dabble your bs somewhere else. Your posts speak for themself. Lots of the "religious freaks" you refer to are born into it and know no other way. Hitler didn't like Jews because he believed they killed Christ (along with a host of other things) but his hate was religious based. The same "religious freak" you speak of.

AND last person in the world that I'd take english lessons from is you, dearie! But since were giving advice here, my advice to you is to just come out of the closet already and stop denying your true inner feelings!

Btw, some of us are still anxiously awaiting those statistics you boasted about....

[blueeagle]

As a proud libertarian I support a womans right to do with her body as she wishes. The goverment should NEVER regulate abortion. Nor should they force their PERSONAL religious beliefs on others.

Edit: there are alot of people I know who I wish were aborted.

[jk]

just so you all know, I am not a right to lifer, I am an anti-abortionist. right to life removes the impact I believe the procedure deserves.

moon:

kill off people for their radical ideals,

define "radical". Now, is that your definition or the dfeinition of the majority of the occupants of the world? I think your views are quite radical so does that mean you are going to kill yourself?

blueeagle:

The goverment should NEVER regulate abortion. Nor should they force their PERSONAL religious beliefs on others.

but they are allowed to let the mother force her personal beliefs on the unborn child? A bit hypocritical don;t you think? the allowed period of legal abortion is merely an arbitrary number used to placate.

Ever see a partial birth abortion? The child is birthed except for the shoulders and head. The skull is pierced with forceps and the brain is sucked from the skull cavity. I know the supreme court allowed the law banning it but I thought there was something after that, Don;t remember for sure but the point is, up until this was dealt with, the procedure was totally legal and allowed. Would any person with any moral beliefs actually consider this to be acceptable? I don;t thinkso. It is a few inches from murder.

moon:
Fetuses don't talk, laugh or cry.

newborn children do not talk. as to a fetus not laughing, I would not want to argue that point with an informed person. My children (prior to birth) did respond to stimulation that would cause one to believe they do laugh.

as to crying? how would you tell. Many people cry silently and they are all wet so how do you tell?

Well, children talk, laugh, cry & have feelings. They also have memories & the ability to attract compassion.

the average person does not have a memory of very young life so does that mean we can kill them until such time they do develope a memory, as you define it? and not attract compassion? BS. My preborn children definately deserved my compassion.

moon:
My satire was only recognized by SeinorJudge.

I believe you missed the judges satire about your comment.

moon:
& from what doctors have told me, newborns don't even have a sense of pain until their nerve endings are fully developed

and when would that be? they are children and eventual adults that never feel pain. I guess that means we can just kill them off. I never understood that argument. They can't feel it so it is ok to kill them. Well, guess what, if you are anesthtized, you aren't going to feel it either so lets get you killed off right now.

moon:
round up all religious freaks & execute them. Not just here, but all over the world.

so, from your rantings we can see that you are an atheist, that has no compassion, and , well, I won't type what your position and action concerning sex makes you.

moon:
Oh please! I'll ask another question. Why have you not considered that if a woman is forced to have an unwanted baby, then how well is that baby going to be treated during it's life? Isn't that what you want? To outlaw abortion & force your beliefs onto the Nation & the world! Give it up! You are in the extreme minority!

I would suggest you research your claim as to the percentages of the population that believes abortion should be legal.

mom:
Yea that is about the chance you bozos have of ever outlawing abortion

Roe v. Wade has been under scrutiny lately and some believe that it will eventually be overturned. Do you realize the major proponent in the case has since reversed her position?

moon:
That is probably why I saw them draw blood out of my daughter's foot with that icky needle the day that she was born & she never cried

Oh, and whacking them on the ass to cause them to cry and begin breathing is just a myth? Again, so those that cannot feel pain can be killed off merely because they cannot feel pain. Well, I have some CO for you. It is a painless death.


Yes, I believe that abortion is wrong and should be illegal. I even believe a child of rape should be protected. If the mothers life is in jeopardy, I believe that if the child will survive, then the child should be the one that will be saved. If there is no salvation for the child, then I will accept abortion.

the death penalty; luckily I can make this decision based on financial factors rather than moral factors. It is cheaper to house a typical prisoner for life than it is to execute them so I would remove the death penalty but enforce stronger penalties with fewer chances of parole. Michigan does do this and I do not see where we have become the murder capitol of the country because of it.

Now for all you pro abortionists, please explain to me how a mother can be allowed to kill her "fetus" yet in many states, a person can be charged and convicted of murder if they cause the death of a fetus?

How can you have it both ways. Either it is a life/child/person or it isn't.

[cyjeff]

Good questions! You're the first right to lifer that I saw who actually wrote down good questions. How do I rationalize protecting children versus flushing aborted fetuses? Well, children talk, laugh, cry & have feelings. They also have memories & the ability to attract compassion. Fetuses don't talk, laugh or cry. They don't have memories & from what doctors have told me, newborns don't even have a sense of pain until their nerve endings are fully developed. That is probably why I saw them draw blood out of my daughter's foot with that icky needle the day that she was born & she never cried. Fetuses are not much different from plants. I don't think that they should be flushed. I think that they should be used to further medical breakthroughs & Science. To answer everyone's question about my statistics on sex? Well I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. After every post, a person should sign off by stating whether they have sex just to have children or mostly for pleasure.
So I will sign off this post by declaring I have never had sex to make children. All of it was exclusively for pleasure. . .

Of course, the same argument can be made for firing of a weapon.

Most people do not fire a weapon to kill. However, if, in the course of target shooting, an innocent person is killed by the gunfire, should the shooter be prosecuted?

Fun does not trump the value of life.

[cyjeff]

Dear! Comparing Hitler's idea of killing Jews off for being Jews was a ridiculous idea. The satire I was using if implemented would kill off people for their radical ideals, not for being born to a race. My satire was only recognized by SeinorJudge. Anyone else who took me seriously, is not only a nincompoop, but is also the kind of person who misses every joke or comic jab heard by a controversial radio host. Now before you misunderstand what I just said, & tell me that I am not a radio host, look at how I am using that example in the context of what I am saying. By the way dear! Using the word (and) too many times in a sentence makes you look dumb. . .

You called me a radical religious wacko at least three times and then said that all should be killed.

All without actually finding out what my motivation for my argument was.

Hmmm... I wonder if I would have said that you should be killed for your argument if you would have found the statement "satire".

It is easy to say you are joking when yours isn't the neck in the noose.